Arkansas inflicts child abuse on its school children

[ElishaElijah]

When did I make such a claim?
Fact is, I did not.

Then what’s your point? You and other members tag team and should correct each other then. So are you saying the other member misquoting you as well. Clarify your statement

 

[McBell]

Then what’s your point?

I answered your question.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then why are you saying God views and treats women badly when it’s Lot who did that. Wondering why that example was used, didn’t make sense.

Lot was supposedly righteous. The Bible supports evil treatment of women.

Let's forget Lot for right now since you will try to simply blame him rather than recognize the fact that the Bible supported his behavior.

Could a Hebrew father sell his own daughter into life long slavery? Yes or no?

 

[McBell]

You and other members tag team and should correct each other then.

Might I suggest you stop merely lashing out at everyone as though your "everyone vs me" thing has any basis in reality?

So you saying the other member misquoting you as well. Clarify your statement

Where did another member misquote me?
Clarify what statement?

 

[ElishaElijah]

When did I make such a claim?
Fact is, I did not.

Great, was answering this from someone else, sorry about that. So do you agree with his statement below that it was Lot and not God as he insinuates?

A recent post from someone:
How does your god view women?

With utter disrespect
Genesis 19
8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes
As prizes to be given to victorious soldiers just like sheep and asses.

 

[McBell]

Great, was answering this from someone else, sorry about that. So do you agree with his statement below that it was Lot and not God as he insinuates?

A recent post from someone:
How does your god view women?

With utter disrespect
Genesis 19
8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes
As prizes to be given to victorious soldiers just like sheep and asses.

I already answered that Lot is the one who made the offer.
That you are fixated on this little part in order to avoid the idea that God sanctioned it as he does slavery is on you, not me.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So now that the word has been presented in a manner that the only way you can deny knowing what word it is also makes you look dumber than a box or rocks, does that mean you lose?
If not, why not?

Lashing out you say and you’re so approachable with comments like this, correct?

 

[ElishaElijah]

I already answered that Lot is the one who made the offer.
That you are fixated on this little part in order to avoid the idea that God sanctioned it as he does slavery is on you, not me.

Clearing something up is not a “fixation”. If you believe it is and continue then don’t bother answering anything I post or expect an answer.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I already answered that Lot is the one who made the offer.
That you are fixated on this little part in order to avoid the idea that God sanctioned it as he does slavery is on you, not me.

I saw the futility of this a little while ago too. Lot's actions of offering his daughters over that of his guests was seen as "righteous" then. It was a sacrifice that he could make since they were his property. That is sadly the way that women were thought of then. That was why he was "righteous".

 

[McBell]

Lashing out you say and you’re so approachable with comments like this, correct?

I addressed directly to you about something you posted.
Unlike yourself who lashed out at me for something a completely other member posted...

 

[McBell]

Clearing something up is not a “fixation”.

Well, now that that is cleared up you will finally be addressing the point, right?
Or is this interogating me your new avoidance tangent?

If you believe it is and continue then don’t bother answering anything I post or expect an answer.

you are free to put me on ignore.
Just as I am free to ignore you putting me on ignore.

If your skin is so thin and your faith is so weak that you are unable to handle opposing ideas.....

 

[McBell]

I saw the futility of this a little while ago too. Lot's actions of offering his daughters over that of his guests was seen as "righteous" then. It was a sacrifice that he could make since they were his property. That is sadly the way that women were thought of then. That was why he was "righteous".

Back then women were seen as no better than livestock other than god had slightly less issue with having sex with women than he did with livestock.
That is, until Paul (I think it was Paul) showed up on the scene...

 

[ElishaElijah]

I addressed directly to you about something you posted.
Unlike yourself who lashed out at me for something a completely other member posted...

What was the lashing out comment? So I know

 

[McBell]

What was the lashing out comment? So I know

Here are two:

Maybe you guys need to have a zoom meeting and get your act together so you can come to some sort of agreement.

Then why are you saying God views and treats women badly when it’s Lot who did that. Wondering why that example was used, didn’t make sense.

 

[McBell]

Lashing out you say and you’re so approachable with comments like this, correct?

this is the SECOND time you quoted from that post without addressing the actual content of that post.

Perhaps you could try a third time and actually address the contents of the post?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Here are two:

Lashing out is being angry and critical at someone
The first was meant to be a joke and funny because you all were answering for each other and contradicting each other.
The second one certainly didn’t seem critical or angry but asking a question.
You were saying something about thin skin to me...

 

[ElishaElijah]

Lot was supposedly righteous. The Bible supports evil treatment of women.

Let's forget Lot for right now since you will try to simply blame him rather than recognize the fact that the Bible supported his behavior.

Could a Hebrew father sell his own daughter into life long slavery? Yes or no?

Lot was righteous, David had a heart after God, Solomon was the wisest man.
So then you falsely assume everything they did God approved of. Obviously not the case, is that what you are saying or something else?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lot was righteous, David had a heart after God, Solomon was the wisest man.
So then you falsely assume everything they did God approved of. Obviously not the case, is that what you are saying or something else?

Like I said, you would ignore why he was considered to be righteous. That is why I brought up the fact that the Bible allows one to sell one's daughter into slavery, and yes, sex would be part of it if you read the text, for life. Her choice was not mentioned or even implied. Women were property in the Old Testament and not much more. That was why Lot was "righteous" He was willing to lose his property to protect his guests. I doubt if you will let yourself understand this since you have to base your understanding of the Bible on what is thought to be moral today.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Like I said, you would ignore why he was considered to be righteous. That is why I brought up the fact that the Bible allows one to sell one's daughter into slavery, and yes, sex would be part of it if you read the text, for life. Her choice was not mentioned or even implied. Women were property in the Old Testament and not much more. That was why Lot was "righteous" He was willing to lose his property to protect his guests. I doubt if you will let yourself understand this since you have to base your understanding of the Bible on what is thought to be moral today.

You don’t know that

“and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment,”
‭‭II Peter‬ ‭2:6-9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don’t know that

“and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment,”
‭‭II Peter‬ ‭2:6-9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

What makes you think that I do not know that? There are ways to test ideas if one is not afraid. You cannot know because you refuse to test your ideas properly.