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Jesus' Four Failed Prophecies About Him Returning In The Lifetimes Of His Apostles

samtonga43

samtonga43

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Trailblazer said:
I asked YOU.
You did not answer my question or address what it says in the article.
Maybe this is what SZ means by "running away." ;)
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I answered your question. My answer was that I don't know why other Christians are non-Trinitarian. Do you want me to invent a reason, Tb?
The best I can do is to suggest that you ask them.

I believe in the Triune God because I see the Triune God in Scripture and, more importantly because the Triune God makes spiritual and theological sense to me.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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samtonga43 said:
I answered your question. My answer was that I don't know why other Christians are non-Trinitarian. Do you want me to invent a reason, Tb?
The best I can do is to suggest that you ask them.
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Let me re-phrase my question. You claimed that the Trinity doctrine is Scriptural.
If the Trinity doctrine is Scriptural where does any Scripture say Jesus is God or that the Holy Spirit is God?
samtonga43 said:
I believe in the Triune God because I see the Triune God in Scripture and, more importantly because the Triune God makes spiritual and theological sense to me.
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Why does a God divided into three parts make spiritual and theological sense to you in spite of the fact that no scripture says that Jesus is God or that the Holy Spirit is God. That was all made up by the Church.

Before, I asked you to address what it says in the article (red emphasis mine) (see previous post)
If you want an honest debate, tell me why that article is wrong.
 
samtonga43

samtonga43

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Subduction Zone said:
Obviously far more astute than you. I am not the one that made endless failed "logical fallacy" claims. When a person does that it is quite often due to them losing arguments by relying on logical fallacies. In fact almost all of your posts in this thread are unsupported personal attacks. You refuse to discuss the topic of the thread. Why is that? Again, this is the act of a person that is threatened. If I am such a failure then why do you act exactly like a threatened person would act? I just can't wrap my mind around that.
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You assume that I act like a threatened person, because of your feelings of insecurity. You and your ego would love someone to feel threatened by your posts. Why anyone should be is a mystery.
Subduction Zone said:
And a proper debate is one where both sides have to support their claims.
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There's a coincidence! I have a list of claims, made by you and totally unsupported.
Subduction Zone said:
If a source is used it cannot break various rules. For example in the sciences one can be wrong. That is allowed. It is expected at times. Being wrong is a minor setback. But lying can be career ending. If someone uses a source that openly lies that is not a valid source. If someone uses a source loaded with failed arguments that is not a valid source. If you need to learn why a source has failed I will gladly explain that, but you cannot make false and unjustified claims if you want an explanation.
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Good of you to offer to explain, SZ, but it really is unnecessary.
;):)
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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samtonga43 said:
You assume that I act like a threatened person, because of your feelings of insecurity. You and your ego would love someone to feel threatened by your posts. Why anyone should be is a mystery.

There's a coincidence! I have a list of claims, made by you and totally unsupported.

Good of you to offer to explain, SZ, but it really is unnecessary.
;):)
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LOL! NO, you troll, you tell falsehoods. You make claims that you cannot back up. That is exactly what a threatened person would do. You do everything except for the one thing that a person that was not threatened would do. I wonder if you can figure it out.

It is amazing how you do not realize how you just put yourself down in your post. My oh my!
 
samtonga43

samtonga43

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Subduction Zone said:
They were. Your errors were even explained to you. You only confirm my hypothesis that you have lost many debates by trying to use logical fallacies. You simply do not understand how to apply them.
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Your hypothesis is as false as your assumptions are. You assume that I have lost many debates by trying to use logical fallacies. Your assumption is false.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
samtonga43 said:
Your hypothesis is as false as your assumptions are. You assume that I have lost many debates by trying to use logical fallacies. Your assumption is false.
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Once again you make false charges and demonstrate that you do not even know what assumptions are, or are you just lying? I did not assume, your incredible incompetence here tells me that you lost. But then you can probably convince yourself that even though you had your donkey handed to you that you lost.

And you are still demonstrating the traits of a threatened person.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Trailblazer said:
Do you mean like the claim that the Trinity doctrine is "Scriptural?" :rolleyes:
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I was thinking more along the lines of his endless personal attacks. But that seems to be another one. The problem with the Bible is that it is endlessly self contradicting so creative interpretation is a must at times. He likely knows this which is only one of many reasons he runs away from reasoned debate.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Subduction Zone said:
I was thinking more along the lines of his endless personal attacks.
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That too... (Her personal attacks. ;))
Subduction Zone said:
But that seems to be another one. The problem with the Bible is that it is endlessly self contradicting so creative interpretation is a must at times. He likely knows this which is only one of many reasons he runs away from reasoned debate.
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'She' likely knows this......
As I always say, the Bible can be made to SAY anything you want it to SAY ~~~ Quite a book! :D
So if you want a Trinity doctrine you can create one by finding a mishmash of verses and misinterpreting them to SAY what you want them to say, slapping them together, and now you magically have a God made up of 3 parts.

By contrast, if you ask me about the Baha'i Trinity belief that has God as One, with Jesus and the Holy Spirit working with the One God, I can explain how that actually works and it makes logical sense and is supported by the Bible.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Trailblazer said:
That too... (Her personal attacks. ;))

'She' likely knows this......
As I always say, the Bible can be made to SAY anything you want it to SAY ~~~ Quite a book! :D
So if you want a Trinity doctrine you can create one by finding a mishmash of verses and misinterpreting them to SAY what you want them to say, slapping them together, and now you magically have a God made up of 3 parts.

By contrast, if you ask me about the Baha'i Trinity belief that has God as One, with Jesus and the Holy Spirit working with the One God, I can explain how that actually works and it makes logical sense and is supported by the Bible.
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You are right. "Her". The Bible can be made to say anything but MY interpretation is the only correct one:rolleyes:

For those that claim it is "God's word" and infallible as a result they might want to think about that for a second or two.
 
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