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Featured Jesus' Four Failed Prophecies About Him Returning In The Lifetimes Of His Apostles

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SeekingAllTruth, Feb 18, 2021.

  1. SeekingAllTruth

    SeekingAllTruth Active Member

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    Here is something most Christians don't know:

    Jesus promised no less than FOUR times in the gospels that he would return to earth and his apostles would live to see it, yet he never showed up.

    Paul believed fervently that Jesus would return in his lifetime:

    "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then WE who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." 1 Thessolonians 4:16-17

    Now Paul may have put this idea into the heads of the gospel writers when they started writing the gospels. They had Jesus make these four prophesies that he would return before the apostles died:

    “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. (Matthew 16: 27, 28)

    For me, this is the one that cannot be excused away with rationalizations like "Jesus was referring to the future generation", or "Jesus was referring to God's time which could be thousands of years in the future". We have Jesus referring directly to the people listening to him when he made that failed prophecy "some of you standing here will not taste death until you see me return"

    ...they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (Matthew 24: 25-34)

    “Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place…
    (Mark 13:26-30)

    Here in Chap 10 Jesus is giving his apostles instructions on how they should conduct themselves when he sends them out to do God's work

    Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. (Matthew 10:23)

    Naturally Jesus never showed up. Why? Because we can assume he never said he would return--this was all invention by the gospel writers probably based on Paul's belief Jesus would return and Paul would live to see it. There are five rationalizations Christians have come up with for Jesus' no-show. All are patently ridiculous but you can read them in the link below:

    Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return
     
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  2. KenS

    KenS Veteran Member
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    I LOVE this scripture found in 1 Cor. 14.
    TLB
    But if anyone still disagrees—well, we will leave him in his ignorance. :D
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Also Paul claimed to have met Jesus when they were warned to not believe it.
     
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    SeekingAllTruth Active Member

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    Good ol' Paul, always taking the high road. :confused:
     
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    There is no failure, his coming is internal - a progression of illumination for those that are "alive and remain" pressing into the Light.

    He said in Luke 17: 23 They shall say Lo Here and Lo There, believe them not, nor follow them.

    He came in his Kingdom, when he was transfigured before them.

    It's a matter of understanding what Heaven really is.
    It's not some grand 'Hawaii in the Sky'.
     
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    False claim.

    The kingdom of Heaven is the spiritual fellowship of believers. The anti-Christ use stuff like this which appeals mainly to the ignorant.

    36Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world; if it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest by the Jews. But now My kingdom is not of this realm.”

    The spirit of Christ came at Pentecost into his kingdom of true believers.
     
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    Such a poor excuse. Even the Bible recognized the failures of prophecy so it lied about itself. Some Christians have no shame.
     
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    The easy answer I think is that is not a physical return but a spiritual one.

    While you may be correct and have a sensible explanation, the human mind is very creative and can come up with numerous ways to explain this away.

    That is the problem when supernatural explanations are allowed. The explanation can be whatever is convenient to keep the religious narrative alive.
     
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    Read the Luke prophecy in context. Now only was he to come back during at least some of the disciples' lifetimes, those were also supposed to be when the end days occurred. It failed on multiple levels.
     
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    Jesus foretold the coming of his spirit into the fellowship of believers before hand.

    ...that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

    This occurred on Pentecost, the day the apostles went out into Jerusalem and began the bold proclamation of the Kingdom.
     
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    You are of course far from the first person to read things that way and so there are mountains of writings on it. For example,

    "Technically, God doesn’t come or go anywhere (Ps. 139:7-10). God is the creator and sustainer of all time and space—nothing escapes his presence since, if it did, it would not exist. As St. Thomas Aquinas wrote, “Indeed, by the very fact that he gives being to the things that fill every place, he himself fills every place” (Summa Theologicae I.8.2).

    So, if God doesn’t come or go anywhere, why does the Bible speak so frequently of his kingdom “coming”?

    The Bible tells us about God and his actions in ways that we can understand. References to God’s eyes and ears, for instance, affirm that nothing is outside his awareness (e.g., Prov. 15:3, Ps. 116:2). But God doesn’t know things because light or sound waves enter physical organs. God “hears” and “sees” in a way that is appropriate to his infinite, spiritual mode of being. Since we can’t fully understand that, God speaks to us about himself in terms that we can understand.

    God’s coming means, first of all, that his presence becomes noticeably manifest. God may come to his people, for instance, through a prophet, a special event, a miracle, or other means. The language of his coming, along with the dramatic and even shocking imagery that we often associate with John’s Apocalypse (Revelation, the final book of Scripture), is typical in the writings of the Hebrew prophets.

    Jesus, continuing and deepening the Old Testament descriptions, spoke of the coming of God’s kingdom in various ways. Matthew sees Jesus’ birth in Micah’s prophetic words about a ruler who will come from Bethlehem (Micah 5:2). John the Baptist anticipated Jesus’ ministry: “he who is coming after me is mightier than I,” using striking apocalyptic language to speak of his purifying ministry: “the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire” (Matt. 2:6, 3:11-12)."


    Have Jesus’ Predictions of His Coming Failed?
     
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    Yes, "the natural man does not know the things of the spirit' they are foolishness to him, neither can he know them for they are spiritually discerned" - I Cor 2:14
     
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    So, really kind of silly to argue with a non-believer, isn't it?

    At least until they get their spiritual discernment mod working.
     
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    Oh, are there non-believers here?

    I would agree, if they don't want to believe the Word anyway, for the say of their delusions. Only a fool argues with a fool.
     
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    You're right - it's not. Do YOU understand what Heaven really is? Does anyone?
     
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    Yup. The presence of the Creator of the Universe - known as three realms.
    The first, second and third heavens.

    Since Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, you better get with it, lest you remain in Hell (Hades).
     
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    And this is merely another defensive BS verse. The writers of the Bible saw its many flaws and had to have an excuse. This sort of verse underscores the flaws of the Bible. If the Bible was without flaw, if it was the "word of God" such verses would not be necessary.
     
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    Now now now, no one is calling you a fool for your beliefs. This is getting very close to breaking the rules of the forums.

    I am betting that you are a Christian that believes in a lying God. Would you care to know if you call your God a liar or not?
     
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    My God is LIFE and Light, no Death and Darkness in Him -
    I'm not of those "who have made a covenant with death and hell" - Isaiah 28:15. You know, those that say "Death is just a part of life" -
    They have no idea what LIFE is.
     
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    Along with I Cor 2:14, you can include II Peter 3:16:
    “As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
    in which are some things hard to be understood,
    which they that are unlearned and unstable wrestle with,
    as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”
     
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