Blood clots

[Unveiled Artist]

Not assumptions. Demonstrable facts. This is a case where odds arguments are valid.

Who's saying the facts aren't valid?

 

[Thief]

Don't quote me but I think it had to do with trump and elections. But then again, this is only an assumption.

ha! .....but I quote you

and no.....I dont' think it had anything to do with elections

 

[Subduction Zone]

One person out of 6,000,000 who got the J&J died from the vaccine.
566,000 unvaccinated people out of 300,000,000 people got Covid and died. That's 1 in 530.

Now, lessee, which of those two odds are better - Hmm.





The CDC screwed up. They should not have stopped the J&J.

`I don't see why this statistic is so hard to understand People have a very strange fear of the unknown sometimes. They do not know how the virus can kill you, but since it is not acquired on purpose they do not seem to have a reasonable fear of it. They do not know how vaccines work, and they may, please note with numbers this low we do not really know if the vaccine caused the blood clots, the vaccine may be a very low risk for blood clots. Yet the vaccine has been shown to work. It greatly reduces the chance of infection and it appears to eliminate the worst of effects in the rare cases where one gets infected anyway.

Anti-vaxxers have been spreading false information for too long and it deeply ingrained in the psyche' of some people.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

ha! .....but I quote you

and no.....I dont' think it had anything to do with elections

Ha that or the US tried to pop him. Mighty funny he got the virus and majority of us have not

 

[Subduction Zone]

Whose saying the facts aren't valid?

Then why avoid the vaccine?

 

[Thief]

Ha that or the US tried to pop him. Mighty funny he got the virus and majority of us have not

I suspect......many of us
including myself
have already suffered and we know not

Trump may have been right!

unfortunate that we die....yes it is
but we can only delay what the virus will do

 

[Thief]

Then why avoid the vaccine?

I'm going to

try looking at the numbers of people who will refrain

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ha that or the US tried to pop him. Mighty funny he got the virus and majority of us have not

Trump regularly did not follow CDC guidelines. He banned masks in the White House. He went to rallies where masks were not worn. He is an example of why one should social distance and wear masks. He continually put himself at unnecessary risk and guess what happened?

Meanwhile I got it from work. Even with masks when one is working up close with people there is a risk.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Then why avoid the vaccine?

Because it's my personal choice. Facts aren't the only and sole way I make decisions.

Whether people disagree or not is on them... Just disagreements need to be made on facts not assumptions.

I'm not antivaxer
I'm not a democrat
I don't support trump
I don't ignore or deny facts

So....

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm going to

try looking at the numbers of people who will refrain

And people like you are why it will be even longer before we can get back to normal.

There is a reason that there needs to be some sort of economic penalty for not getting a vaccine.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Because it's my personal choice. Facts aren't the only and sole way I make decisions.

Whether people disagree or not is on them... Just disagreements need to be made on facts not assumptions.

I'm not antivaxer
I'm not a democrat
I don't support trump
I don't ignore or deny facts

So....

Without a valid reason not to get the vaccine, you are an antivaxer. You are ignoring facts when you say that you are not getting the vaccine.

 

[Thief]

And people like you are why it will be even longer before we can get back to normal.

There is a reason that there needs to be some sort of economic penalty for not getting a vaccine.

like when the Spanish flu came and went?

 

[Thief]

saw a report about 'anti-vaxers'......
try that

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I suspect......many of us
including myself
have already suffered and we know not

Trump may have been right!

unfortunate that we die....yes it is
but we can only delay what the virus will do

I guess I'm the only one who hasn't suffered. But I don't wake up asymptomatic so I just do what I can to keep germ free. I only worry if I'm in a dense population but even then I don't jump cause others do. It has its pros and cons.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Trump regularly did not follow CDC guidelines. He banned masks in the White House. He went to rallies where masks were not worn. He is an example of why one should social distance and wear masks. He continually put himself at unnecessary risk and guess what happened?

Meanwhile I got it from work. Even with masks when one is working up close with people there is a risk.

He banned masks in the white house?

My point still stands,though. I would not be surprised.

 

[sun rise]

It's best to look at both sides for any medical treatment. My brain surgery was 80% survival and one if the most complicated surgeries. We still got third opinions.

While vaccinations are healthy in general, why just look at the positives and not inform yourselves of the negatives (ideally without some confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance involved)

As I wrote earlier, when the authorization came to proceed with the two mRNA vaccines, I wondered and was hesitant given the speed of the approval without a multi-year phase 3 trial.

By the time millions were vaccinated, the evidence was clear - only a mere handful had serious side-effects and the vaccines were about as perfect in preventing COVID, especially severe COVID, as expected from the trials.

There were and are sufficient cautions for people with specific allergies etc and those should be known and heeded where applicable.

But at this point, we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the vaccines work and are saving lives. To ignore the evidence is no longer a rational stance but an emotional one. And that evidence includes the cautionary notes for the tiny minority with specific issues.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Without a valid reason not to get the vaccine, you are an antivaxer. You are ignoring facts when you say that you are not getting the vaccine.

That's 100% false.

You don't get the vaccine just means you, well,don't. Like not taking aspirin doesn't mean I'm against pain killers. That's silly!

I never said I ignored facts.

I said facts are not the sole means I make decisions.

Your assumptions aren't facts. Challenge me on what I actually said not what you think I meant.

 

[Subduction Zone]

like when the Spanish flu came and went?

Do you want Spanish Flu numbers? If one adjusted for population growth the numbers would be over 200 million deaths. The main reason that we did not see deaths anywhere like that is because of the actions that were taken. And even with those there were over 3 million deaths from this disease. One of the downsides of lockdowns is that natural immunity does not arise in the population so there still is a risk of outbreak.

I am sorry, but I am not a fan of unleashing something that could make the Holocaust look like a bad weekend in comparison. There needs to be economic penalties for those that willingly put others at risk.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

As I wrote earlier, when the authorization came to proceed with the two mRNA vaccines, I wondered and was hesitant given the speed of the approval without a multi-year phase 3 trial.

By the time millions were vaccinated, the evidence was clear - only a mere handful had serious side-effects and the vaccines were about as perfect in preventing COVID, especially severe COVID, as expected from the trials.

There were and are sufficient cautions for people with specific allergies etc and those should be known and heeded where applicable.

But at this point, we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the vaccines work and are saving lives. To ignore the evidence is no longer a rational stance but an emotional one. And that evidence includes the cautionary notes for the tiny minority with specific issues.

True.

I'd hope people do this for anything medical. My impression is done only see things one-sided and the other side (as google represents them) are uncaring, ignorant, enemies, democrats, etc.

 

[Thief]

I guess I'm the only one who hasn't suffered. But I don't wake up asymptomatic so I just do what I can to keep germ free. I only worry if I'm in a dense population but even then I don't jump cause others do. It has its pros and cons.

I grew up with a registered nurse.....in the house

omg

germ free?.....can't happen

even as I post there a at least a dozen microbes......in front of my face
I will inhale them
and they have the potential to kill me

why am I not dead?

my immune system is still working

good luck with yours