War, the final battle.

[Aupmanyav]

If we are around when the days get a bit darker, I hope yoy remember all a Baha'i wants for the world is Love and unity and the freedom for us to pursue that path.

Bahais only want all people to cut their noses like they have done, so that all could look at he Emperor's New Clothes. Days are never dark, otherwise they would not be known as 'days'.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I see Biblical Prophecy has been very accurate with history and I see the final battle continues.

How come? Now your uneducated 19th Century Iranian preacher, the returning Jesus, the returning Zoroaster, the returning Krishna and the returning Buddha has come and gone. Even the Mahdi (Bab) has come and gone. And it has been more that a hundred and fifty years since. Why should there be a continued battle now? It only shows that God / Allah and all his prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations / mahdis cannot make any difference in the world. As I have always believed God has a very wrong method of communication. And if he were to send someone with his message, he should have chosen at least educated persons? Why does he always choose illiterate persons?

Personally Clara, I see we do miss the return and what is unfolding is a result of that.

What return do you miss? According to your belief the Mahdi also has come and gone and so has Jesus. Why do you say things which even your belief does not say?

 

[Aupmanyav]

These appear to be the two processes underway on our planet. Integration and disintegration, simultaneously.
Result will be, I believe, a World Federation of Nations.

Now, you too have entered into the rank of prophets predicting future of the world. New comes and the old goes has always been the history of the world. What new thing has that Iranian preacher said? More and more people in the world are abandoning the false belief in God / Allah and his various middle-men. That is the change happening all over the world.
We had League of Nations. Presently, we have a federation of nations (U.N.O.). And you very well know how useless, ineffective and costly that is.

These convulsions will culminate in a global event, a size an extent that is not known, it is quite possible 2/3 of mankind will not survive, as will not the cities built upon sand.

What a foolish thing to make such prediction! You are nothing other than a dooms-day prophet. Fear-monger. You look very funny when you say this among educated people.

I believe that life and light came from the Lord Jesus Christ - not chaos.
When everything fails and all life cries out for salvation - He will come.

Well, according to Bahais, he has already come and gone.

 

[rational experiences]

The last war is gods earth against human kind.

As no man is God the one.

A factual human observation about changing natural earths body.

Science practiced by every man nation on earth today already a man agreement against his own nature human equality.

Garden life nature support.

Taught to him by his native brothers non scientists. Basic living.

His sister owns the last teaching holy mother. Humans life creator consciousness. Life continuance of his holy son nature.

Always his son man brother proof of his owned argument brother against brother.

Says holy mother before holy son.

Seems to forget that teaching.

Arguing who is wrong determines you remove self man chosen guilt. To change the nature by science.

Your choice as a humanity to agree to stop all abuses United...not against self.

 

[Trailblazer]

Which are the cities which were/are built with strong foundations. All cities have been destroyed in history, either by enemies or by natural causes (God? ). Some were rebuilt, some were not. It all depends on location and weather. It will be the same in future also.

Any physical structure can be destroyed, no matter how strong the foundation... There is only one foundation that can never be destroyed.

“For every one of you his paramount duty is to choose for himself that on which no other may infringe and none usurp from him. Such a thing—and to this the Almighty is My witness—is the love of God, could ye but perceive it.

Build ye for yourselves such houses as the rain and floods can never destroy, which shall protect you from the changes and chances of this life. This is the instruction of Him Whom the world hath wronged and forsaken.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 261

Reminds me of these Bible verses...

Matthew 6:19-21 Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal;but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

 

[Trailblazer]

Well, according to Bahais, he has already come and gone.

We know that but Christians will continue to wait for the same man Jesus till hell freezes over, even though Jesus never promised to return, said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Which are the cities which were/are built with strong foundations. All cities have been destroyed in history, either by enemies or by natural causes (God? ). Some were rebuilt, some were not. It all depends on location and weather. It will be the same in future also.

Well Jerusalem is still there

I bet you Dubai will have issues with rebuilding.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Bahais only want all people to cut their noses like they have done, so that all could look at he Emperor's New Clothes. Days are never dark, otherwise they would not be known as 'days'.

The eclipses vary in duration.

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Build ye for yourselves such houses as the rain and floods can never destroy, which shall protect you from the changes and chances of this life.”

Word-salad. Life always has changes and you have to face the change. Why did your teacher say 'this life' as if there is any other? Did he have any evidence for that?

We know that but Christians will continue to wait for the same man Jesus till hell freezes over, even though Jesus never promised to return, said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world.

But you yourself say that Bahaollah was the returning Jesus, the Saoshyant, the Kalki and the Maitreya, all rolled into one. Like Bahaollah, do not say whatever suits you at the time, stick to one statement.

Well Jerusalem is still there.

Jerusalem was destroyed many a times and rebuilt. And Jerusalem is not alone. There is Athens, there are a whole lot of cities in India which predate known history.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I look for how things go right in this world. Isn't it depressing constantly looking for the things that are bad? Is your religion all about keeping people depressed?

I do not focus on the bad, i see it and accept that is how the world have become, that does not mean i want to take part in making it worse. So i use Islamic teaching to make the world a better place. But most important, to remove the filth from within my own being.

 

[Spirit of Light]

God is too huge to care one way or t'other.


You've never needed for food, clothing, warmth, cover, transport, securities or much else.
The World has always been a bad bad place, but you have always been alright.
Am I right?


In which case you won't mind if it all burns, will you? I mean, it's only materialism anyway.

I do wrong every day, not being better than others. The difference is that I practice spiritual teaching to awaken to my own fault, and trying to do something about it.

I did not speak of other and what they should or should not do. All i did was tellingvhow i see it

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yes, but what does that mean?

Can an atheist engage in what you call "spiritual practice"?

If yes: then what do you mean by "spiritual practice"?
If no: then are you then indeed not saying that forgiveness isn't within the capabilities of the atheist?

If an atheist can't engage in spiritual AND if you aren't saying that atheists can't forgive, then clearly the ability to forgive isn't connected to "spiritual practice".

In short, I feel like you are contradicting yourself.



Neither does wearing shoes. So what's special about money that you feel singling it out as being a "bad" thing?




So? There's no "need" to sure, but you're claiming more then that. You're singling out having "more then we need to" as a bad thing.

There's no "need" to have more then required to remain alive, but does "not need" translate to "not allowed"?




Why is that a problem?

For example.... I would really like to visit my old man's country one day (Albania). A vacation in Albania with my family will quickly cost me about 4000 euro's.

I don't do badly financially, but 4000 euro is a lot of money. Most of my money is tied up in our company. I don't pay myself much because most of the profit is still being reinvested in the business to accommodate for growth. So I want more money so that I can pay for that vacation. I don't "need" to go there. I certainly don't "need" such a vacation to remain alive.

But you consider it a "problem" apparently that I "want more money" so that I can take that trip.

Why?



Sure, but you made general truth claims. You asserted that the world "is not looking good" and thereby implied negative outcomes. You made statements about people like me.

You are insinuating that I have "problems" and that there is something "bad" going on in my mind and that it's "not looking good" for me.

I belong to that group of people you were talking about.

Surely you can understand how it's hard not to take offence from such statements.

Look like you can not understand anything i try to tell you, sad

 

[Aupmanyav]

We can change our fate, but or requires us to find unity. I am afraid we have past a point of no return, we will face catastrophic change. The change is needed.

We as individuals and humanity as a whole have to face our neglect of what was offered by God's Messenger's.

Fear-mongering again. Unity cannot come as long as we have religions. Religions sow differences. Bahais have come up with another. And after Bahais, there has been the Ahmadiyya faith propounded by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Bahaollah claimed to be the manifestation, Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be the Mahdi. Both did not provide any evidence. Evidence has never been a problem with Monotheistic / Abrahamic religions, because there is none at all with any. It is one Mirza vis-a-vis another. Change does not need any Mirza, it comes by itself with time.

The Baha'i world is working for unity.

Under the banner of Bahaollah and Bahai religion. You are dreaming. That alone ensures strife. Like any other Abrahamic religion, they are after numbers.

Many millions have accepted this has unfolded.

Ah, your reported 7 million out of a population of 7 billion.

 

[oldbadger]

I do wrong every day, not being better than others. The difference is that I practice spiritual teaching to awaken to my own fault, and trying to do something about it.

Hi..CT.
Could you give me an example of something that you might 'do wrong' in any day?

Why do you need 'Spiritual Teaching' to teach you about your faults?
What exactly is 'Spiritual Teaching'?

I did not speak of other and what they should or should not do. All i did was tellingvhow i see it

Yes........ I appreciate that.

 

[Aupmanyav]

+5 is brilliantly warm, t-shirt weather here, I wore a hoody shopping this morning. But +5 over in Singapore would be one amazing disaster. Perspective.

The winter is over in India. We are averaging 30+, minimum around 15.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Hi..CT.
Could you give me an example of something that you might 'do wrong' in any day?

Why do you need 'Spiritual Teaching' to teach you about your faults?
What exactly is 'Spiritual Teaching'?

Yes........ I appreciate that.

A fault i do every day in some form is to think i know or understand better than i do. Even it is not intentionally i happen to speak with swearing when i get frustrated.

Spiritual teaching is about how to get back to God, it teaches the path we must take within our one "self" to end the ego and replace it with God

 

[Aupmanyav]

I do not say atheists can't forgive, i say spiritual practice teach how to forgive everything that is Said or done in evil intention, or to not fight back when harm is done.

But Allah does not ever forgive and his hell has all facilities to torture unbelievers? Is that right, Conscious Thoughts?

 

[Spirit of Light]

But Allah does not ever forgive and his hell has all facilities to torture unbelievers? Is that right, Conscious Thoughts?

Allah is most forgiving to those who following His teaching.

Only your action words and thoughts can send you to heaven or hell. If we do as Allah ask of us heaven awaits us, if er dont care and follow our ego we can end in hell yes

 

[Mock Turtle]

A great battle is unfolding.

Religious orthodoxy has failed. The rule of Nations has failed. Our material civilization has failed.

The war between what is good and what is not good is approaching a final battle.

It brings verse 30 of the Quran to light

"Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah."

What is your vision of the future of this world?

Regards Tony

I don't have any particular vision of the future, but as to your proposition:

 

[Trailblazer]

Word-salad. Life always has changes and you have to face the change.

I know, since I am facing these changes now. I hate change.

Why did your teacher say 'this life' as if there is any other? Did he have any evidence for that?

Baha'u'llah wrote "Build ye for yourselves such houses as the rain and floods can never destroy, which shall protect you from the changes and chances of this life” Baha'u'llah was referring to this life on earth, not the next life in the spiritual world.

Baha'u'llah knew about the spiritual world because God revealed that knowledge to Him, but Baha'u'llah did not write much about it because (a) we could never understand its nature since there are no words that could convey it, since it is so different from this earthly life, and (b) if we knew what it is like we would hasten our own end.

But you yourself say that Bahaollah was the returning Jesus, the Saoshyant, the Kalki and the Maitreya, all rolled into one. Like Bahaollah, do not say whatever suits you at the time, stick to one statement.

I am sticking with that statement, I never changed it.