Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[Polymath257]

That's simple, I'm a believer and they're not. You said they don't believe in God, they don't believe what He says so they accuse Him of being a liar and that's worthy of eternal damnation.

No, I said that they *do* believe in God. They just don't believe the Bible is literal.

 

[Polymath257]

In other words, you believe love is dirt

I believe life is a complex collection of chemical reactions and that love is one of the emotions expressed in the brain.

I do not think that describing it as dirt is at all accurate. Once again, we are not dirt.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Yet more evidence that you don't understand what you're criticising.



Altered brain network organization in romantic love as measured with resting-state fMRI and graph theory

You know how much credence I give to theories, yes theories are like ******** every,one has one

 

[Polymath257]

You know how much credence I give to theories, yes theories are like ******** every,one has one

So are religious beliefs. And most of them stink.

 

[37818]

"appearance of age"

If a full grown tree came up out of the gound in within a day. Not knowing that it would have the apperance of aga.
Personally I believe in an old visible unverse. But if given God created all that we see beyond the earth on the fourth day. It would not be an "apperance of age," it would actually be the millions and billions of light years made on that one earth day. God is not liar. So effectively both things would be true, God create those things beyond earth on that fourth earth day and those things beyond earth would have actually existed before earth was made too. So the latter is really the truth, they became visible on the fourth day, not an appearence of age. Some YEC do not like that truth. That the visible universe is really that old.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

You did not answer my question.

You said: If a single one of the hundreds of Bible prophecies, or one of the hundreds of God's promises ever failed to come true I would immediately abandon my faith and become an Atheist.

I asked: So have all the many verses wherein Jesus promises that the Son of man would come in the clouds come true?

If you do not give me a direct answer I will consider that obfuscation.

Jesus is coming back in the clouds, just as He promised and you will see Him and bow down and worship Him and beg for mercy.
You're talking about His second coming, which will happen. Jesus didn't give us a specific date, so try again pal

 

[Samael_Khan]

Based on feelings= self indulgence

And raging arrogance

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

But that is a story in a book of myths. One that is almost certainly false. There were good sized armies back then but I have doubts that they were that large. You would need to prove that there were armies that large, Sadly the joke I made went over your head. Or did it? You changed your period to a comma.

It's amazing you have trouble believing that story, yet you believe the most absurd story imaginable. The universe and everything in it exploded into being from a green pea. You can't beat that, only smarties could believe that, us dummies need evidence

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

I never said that about Covid19, you must be mistaking me for someone else. When one makes too many bogus claims it is hard to keep track of all of the refutations. I don't see how Covid19 would be evidence for your beliefs. In fact I am betting that it is not. Once again you do not seem to understand the concept of evidence.

Your problem is you can't see covid19. It does exist and if I placed a sample before you you'd deny it's existence because you can't see it. So the problem is not lack of evidence, it's the lack of ability on your part to admit the truth of the matter

 

[Audie]

If a full grown tree came up out of the gound in within a day. Not knowing that it would have the apperance of aga.
Personally I believe in an old visible unverse. But if given God created all that we see beyond the earth on the fourth day. It would not be an "apperance of age," it would actually be the millions and billions of light years made on that one earth day. God is not liar. So effectively both things would be true, God create those things beyond earth on that fourth earth day and those things beyond earth would have actually existed before earth was made too. So the latter is really the truth, they became visible on the fourth day, not an appearence of age. Some YEC do not like that truth. That the visible universe is really that old.

Not a liar but just a deceiver.
That makes all the difference.

Did you ever figure out how proof obviate
Faith?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

LOL!! Yes, ignorance is a terrible thing. Sadly all that you will have are PRATT's for a young Earth. I can guarantee that you have no evidence.

Instead of trying to post a "mountain of evidence" pick your best example and I will tell you why it is not evidence for a young Earth.

I wouldn't waste my time showing evidence to a blind person who denies the truth exists

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Nope, not feelings. I don't just believe what ever I feel is true. I weigh information by appealing to other people's authority and knowledge in matters. I cannot be viewing myself as the ultimate authority if I am conceding to those with more knowledge because they have the credentials.

My conclusions are based off accumulated knowledge. The more knowledge we have about a subject, the more our viewpoints should adapt to that knowledge. That is the opposite of having viewpoints just based on feelings. We shouldn't come to conclusions on something where there is a complete absence of knowledge because we cannot examine it.

If one isn't willing to change their mind, they will start from a point of ignorance and remain in their ignorance.

But you have just reaffirmed that you are your own highest authority. You say you listen to others and you chose to buy the story from the best salesman. So you are at the mercy of sharp salesman known as sharks, they have you over a barrel because they know exactly what you want to hear and they give it to you in spades

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

You are very ironic in your statement. I use other people, real provable beings, to gauge my knowledge. All you use to gain knowledge is yourself and your own experience which means that YOU rather, are the one who views himself as the ultimate authority, since you don't measure your beliefs outside yourself and your own experience. Your belief in god, is just based on your own feelings and your own imagination, not through any objective criteria. Even though you claim god to be the ultimate authority, your knowledge claim for god is based on your own perceived authority.

It's obvious that you're not interested in the truth, all you seek is someone to tell you what you want to hear. You want to be comfortable, that's why you reject anything that makes uncomfortable.
That's why they call it "the cold hard truth"

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

How/why does the Mona Lisa serve as evidence of a painter? Why is an apple tree not evidence for the same painter who painted the Mona Lisa?

Sorry, I must have overlooked the possibility that the painting just appeared in a puff of smoke with nothing causing the puff of smoke. I need to get with this new "Scientifically Correct" thing

 

[ratiocinator]

It's obvious that you're not interested in the truth, all you seek is someone to tell you what you want to hear. You want to be comfortable, that's why you reject anything that makes uncomfortable.

Projecting ones own faults onto others is common enough but I don't think I've ever seen somebody do it so obviously and comprehensively as you. Quite remarkable.

 

[Polymath257]

Jesus is coming back in the clouds, just as He promised and you will see Him and bow down and worship Him and beg for mercy.
You're talking about His second coming, which will happen. Jesus didn't give us a specific date, so try again pal

But, somehow, it didn't happen before that generation passed away.

 

[Polymath257]

It's amazing you have trouble believing that story, yet you believe the most absurd story imaginable. The universe and everything in it exploded into being from a green pea. You can't beat that, only smarties could believe that, us dummies need evidence

You have already been informed that this is NOT what is claimed by science.

Can you at least adjust your claims based on the facts?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

You can't have it both ways. Either your (lying) god created everything with the "appearance of age" that would fool people, so the evidence would point to an old earth, or there are "mountains of undeniable evidence" for a young earth. It can't really be both.

There's tons of evidence to prove a young earth, the problem is people are so brainwashed that they can evaluate the evidence anymore

.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

The problem is that you (obviously) know absolutely nothing about how science really works (and you still don't understand the term 'straw man').

You've also studiously ignored the first hand account of somebody who believed what you do that linked to in #865.

There's no such thing as xChristians, there are only two kinds of people in existence. Believers and unbelievers. You can't say I believe the truth one day then deny it the next day, that just shows you don't have a clue what the truth is or what you actually believe

 

[Polymath257]

There's no such thing as xChristians, there are only two kinds of people in existence. Believers and unbelievers. You can't say I believe the truth one day then deny it the next day, that just shows you don't have a clue what the truth is or what you actually believe

There are people who thought that the Bible and Christianity are true and now do not. Those people are ex-Christians. They were once believers and now are not. People sometimes recognize their mistakes.