Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[Samael_Khan]

Well if you shut your eyes and pretend nothing exists, I suppose you could claim lack of evidence but don't expect others who see the evidence all around to agree with you

When did I ever say that nothing exists? never shut my eyes either.

Your evidence for your god and religious beliefs is as valid to me as any other religious claims, even ones that contradict your beliefs, as applying your brand of reasoning to them would prove them all to be true if i held your method valid.

You just believe because of your emotions, not because of evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I actually believe that Christians own science, it was given to us by God who created it. We are the only true custodians of it so we protect it's integrity for all future generations. I believe the secular enemies hijacked true science and bastardised it, in an effort to conceal the truth

Nope, they do not own it. One cannot own a process. Christians only helped to develop it at one point. The sciences have a long history, there were advances made before Christians came along and only recently have some Christians opposed the sciences.

You do not even know what "true science" is yet you use it every day.

Did you read about Alan Turing?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

That does not matter even if true. They were built with "secular science". And no, they do not run according to "God's rules". God has not written any rules when it comes to physics. Every day of your life you use and rely on "secular science". You better throw those computers away.

By the way, what we know about computers relies largely on the work of one man. You might want to read this:

Alan Turing | Humanist Heritage

Wrong!, computers must abide by Gods rules and laws . God said they must have electricity and metals and many other materials to function so we have to harvest all those and combine them to make them conform to Gods preset laws. If we try to side step one single law it will not work, now when did man set the laws

 

[Samael_Khan]

Wrong!, computers must abide by Gods rules and laws . God said they must have electricity and metals and many other materials to function so we have to harvest all those and combine them to make them conform to Gods preset laws. If we try to side step one single law it will not work, now when did man set the laws

When did god create these laws? By this I mean "what human saw god create these laws"?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Correct. And we can test beliefs to see if they are correct or not. You appear to be afraid to properly test your beliefs. By the way, choosing to believe something is always an irrational decision. Rational belief occurs when one is convinced by reliable evidence.

I saw a magician who would fool you so easily, he is able to show you evidence which you would swallow hook line and sinker because you don't have a firm foundation. You can't fool someone who is on a solid foundation, you're blown around with every wind of doctrine

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wrong!, computers must abide by Gods rules and laws . God said they must have electricity and metals and many other materials to function so we have to harvest all those and combine them to make them conform to Gods preset laws. If we try to side step one single law it will not work, now when did man set the laws

Nope, computers do not have to obey any of "God's rules". Though most are not able to. You may be conflating the "rules" of physics with God's rules. Those are two different things. Computer's follow the laws of physics. They do not follow the rules of God. You God's rules can be found in your book of myths.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I saw a magician who would fool you so easily, he is able to show you evidence which you would swallow hook line and sinker because you don't have a firm foundation. You can't fool someone who is on a solid foundation, you're blown around with every wind of doctrine

He might be able to do that. That is the specialty of magicians. I doubt if they could fool me easily when it came to the sciences. They probably could do some clever sleight of hand. But that does not apply to the science.


By the way, you are even more apt to be fooled since you refuse to learn.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

You have almost no scientific knowledge. You have refused to even discuss the basics which would allow you to understand why you are wrong.

By the way, you just openly claimed that God is a liar. Why would he lie? Why did he need to make the Earth look 4.5 billion years old?

EDIT: And it appears that you misspelled "humour".

I should slow my typing down and not use the single command to correct all my typing errors at once. I should skim over them and correct them individually but I'm sure you will forgive me.

How did you conclude that God made certain things look antique, in an effort to deceive smart men. Smart men already know that He makes things the way He wants to. Who are we to argue with Him

 

[ratiocinator]

I saw a magician who would fool you so easily, he is able to show you evidence which you would swallow hook line and sinker...

Which just shows you have no comprehension of scientific evidence. It's not about taking things on face value, that's only a starting point, you then need to formulate a hypothesis and then try to falsify by experiment or observation. The evidence (for or against the hypothesis) is the results of those experiments and observations.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

It's not my evidence and it's not a secret. Go look at any reputable (non-creationist) scientific site or book on the subject.



The evidence (this time in your posts) says the opposite. You appear to have no grasp of science whatsoever.

Thanks for the advice, but no thanks. You're asking me to go and ask my enemies for evidence, I have already exposed and debunked their theories so why would I go back for more of the same hogwash

 

[Subduction Zone]

I should slow my typing down and not use the single command to correct all my typing errors at once. I should skim over them and correct them individually but I'm sure you will forgive me.

How did you conclude that God made certain things look antique, in an effort to deceive smart men. Smart men already know that He makes things the way He wants to. Who are we to argue with Him

I did not do so since I do not believe in a lying God. That is your belief. Perhaps you should ask yourself that question. You are claiming that God is a liar. You use your ignorance of the sciences to excuse that belief.

The correct question to ask is "How do you know that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old?"

That one I could answer.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

The reason why we know that a painting is painted by a person is because we know how painting is created. We know the techniques used. Easy-peasy.

Nobody has ever seen anybody create DNA from scratch. Nobody has seen whole worlds created either. So false equivalence on your part.

Now your going to eat humble pie. What if God pulled you aside and explained His formula for creating something like an eye or DNA. How long do you think you could keep track of the long formula for.

See, your asking for something you can't even handle, you would be gobsmacked by the 3 second mark and you demand the whole formula. Give me a break, I'll give you a Microsoft Excel formula to digest, it's only 32 characters long so you should figure it out in around 3 weeks and that's a puny little man made thing

 

[ratiocinator]

You're asking me to go and ask my enemies for evidence...

So all scientists, Christian or otherwise, that don't follow your tiny cult of literal creationism are your enemies? Why would you be afraid to face up to what your enemies have to say anyway? If you understood more about real science, you might not come across as quite so ignorant of the subjects you attempt to address. Why not "know your enemy"?

...I have already exposed and debunked their theories...

This is plain false; I think your favourite book calls it "bearing false witness". You clearly don't have enough knowledge about how science works to even know how to 'debunk' a scientific theory.

I used to spend time looking at creationists sites - and they really are full of blatant falsehoods. I mean, not even just about the evidence. Many of them totally misrepresent (for example) what the theory of evolution actually says. If they had a solid case, why would they need to misrepresent the theories they oppose?

 

[Samael_Khan]

Now your going to eat humble pie. What if God pulled you aside and explained His formula for creating something like an eye or DNA. How long do you think you could keep track of the long formula for.

See, your asking for something you can't even handle, you would be gobsmacked by the 3 second mark and you demand the whole formula. Give me a break, I'll give you a Microsoft Excel formula to digest, it's only 32 characters long so you should figure it out in around 3 weeks and that's a puny little man made thing

Nobody has ever seen anybody create DNA from scratch. Nobody has seen whole worlds created either. So false equivalence on your part.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Yes, because we know why a painting is a painting. But it appears that you cannot tell the difference between this:

And this:

I refuse to believe that it was painted by a human, it could be an accumulation of cosmic dust which spent a million years in a primordial pond of scum then evolved into a beautiful work of art

 

[Samael_Khan]

I refuse to believe that it was painted by a human, it could be an accumulation of cosmic dust which spent a million years in a primordial pond of scum then evolved into a beautiful work of art

We can actually examine the process of how the Mona Lisa was created and recreate the exact process, so again false equivalence.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

So all scientists, Christian or otherwise, that don't follow your tiny cult of literal creationism are your enemies? Why would you be afraid to face up to what your enemies have to say anyway? If you understood more about real science, you might not come across as quite so ignorant of the subjects you attempt to address. Why not "know your enemy"?



This is plain false; I think your favourite book calls it "bearing false witness". You clearly don't have enough knowledge about how science works to even know how to 'debunk' a scientific theory.

I used to spend time looking at creationists sites - and they really are full of blatant falsehoods. I mean, not even just about the evidence. Many of them totally misrepresent (for example) what the theory of evolution actually says. If they had a solid case, why would they need to misrepresent the theories they oppose?

Secular scientists are not my enemies, I love them. My enemy is the spirit of deception, there is an army of evil spirits deceiving poor unsuspecting scientists who just want to feed their families. They have to work within their masters parameters, or they lose their job.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Secular scientists are not my enemies, I love them. My enemy is the spirit of deception, there is an army of evil spirits deceiving poor unsuspecting scientists who just want to feed their families. They have to work within their masters parameters, or they lose their job.

But then why are you trying to deceive people? Aren't you being a hypocrite?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

We can actually examine the process of how the Mona Lisa was created and recreate the exact process, so again false equivalence.

You can't replicate the painting, how can you force new paint to suddenly become hundreds of years old. it would be picked up as a fake immediately by Christian scientists

 

[Samael_Khan]

You can't replicate the painting, how can you force new paint to suddenly become hundreds of years old. it would be picked up as a fake immediately by Christian scientists

Do you understand what a process is? I said "recreate the exact process".