John Macarthur opens church

[dad]

Just because the science is beyond you does not make it a joke. Ask questions politely and properly and you might learn something.

Nothing about science has been discussed regarding the fearmongering and stats. Try to focus. Saying the word science does not help a vacuous case.

 

[dad]

So an article that you quoted out of context and did not understand is "a joke". Please see my previous post.

To attribute deaths to covid based on assuming and supposedly contributing is directly on target actually.

 

[exchemist]

Ha. I think you mean dead WITH covid, not from it? Looking at the death rate stats I found it miraculous that at the same time covid spikes, somehow, magically, heart attack and other deaths drop so that the death count remains the same.

@dad, you are about the last person on this forum I would take seriously on any scientific issue.

 

[exchemist]

Except that for healthy people 65 and under the danger of death is negligible. Tiny. There is a petition from tens of thousands of actual medical professionals that says lockdowns are not good and that the better way is to simply protect the old and vulnerable. Great Barrington Declaration and Petition

For the benefit of any other readers who may be interested, The Great Barrington declaration does not represent most informed medical opinion. Its principal recommendation (to isolate the vulnerable and let everyone else catch the virus) is considered socially quite impracticable, by every government. The country that has come closest to trying it is Sweden. Sweden is now in big trouble.

The declaration was cooked up by a right wing, climate change denial US think tank, sponsored by Koch Industries. The list of signatories makes amusing reading:

"Dozens of obviously bogus names were among the then 175,000 signatures of support for the declaration, including "Mr Banana Rama", "Dr Johnny Bananas", "Dr Johnny Fartpants", "Dr Person Fakename", "Harold Shipman", "Professor Notaf Uckingclue", and "Prof Cominic Dummings".[36][37][38] More than 100 psychotherapists, numerous homeopaths, physiotherapists, massage therapists, and other non-relevant people were found to be signatories, including a performer of Khoomei – a Mongolian style of overtone singing – described as a "therapeutic sound practitioner".[37]

(From: Great Barrington Declaration - Wikipedia )

 

[Guitar's Cry]

That is God talking about Himself about things too high for you to actually understand. Nothing like some little blasphemer.

Then surely it may be discussed on a religious forum so that simpleton blasphemers such as I may understand!

Considering the argument is essentially the Problem of Evil, it is often discussed.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

The numbers were from the CDC actually. There is a similar story in other countries. Here is the stats.

The death rates even more recently concur.

Do you have a transcript or can you summarize the salient points of the video?

Consider also that death rates are only part of the danger, and the rate of infection and hospitalization (leading to overwhelming hospitals) is also a danger and enough of a reason to take necessary community safety measures.

 

[exchemist]

Ha. I think you mean dead WITH covid, not from it? Looking at the death rate stats I found it miraculous that at the same time covid spikes, somehow, magically, heart attack and other deaths drop so that the death count remains the same.

For any other interested readers, what is being alleged here is false. The Covid 19 epidemic in the US is causing a large net increase in the total number of deaths, compared to normal years. To say that doctors are simply rebranding routine deaths as Covid deaths is just lies. Whether @dad realises this, or is just repeating falsehoods he has allowed himself to be taken in by, I have no way of knowing, but it is lies.

In this link, if you look at the 4th chart down on the page, you can see there has been a large number of excess deaths, relative to the preceding years, coinciding exactly with the progress of the epidemic: Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)

(In the UK, our statisticians regard the monitoring of the excess deaths as one of the most reliable ways to double-check the true level of deaths due to this virus. This is because it does not depend on how the doctor fills out the cause of death on the certificate.)

 

[Polymath257]

I see. Blasphemy is a viewpoint in your mind. Ha.

One person's blasphemy is someone else's basic truth.

 

[Polymath257]

In Canada for example the guidance is as follows.

"COVID-19 should be recorded on the medical certificate of cause of death for all decedents where the disease caused, or is assumed to have caused, or contributed to death."
Guidance for certifying COVID-19 deaths | College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia

Ha. What a joke.

So, precisely the same as what happens with, say, pneumonia.

 

[metis]

Ha. I think you mean dead WITH covid, not from it? Looking at the death rate stats I found it miraculous that at the same time covid spikes, somehow, magically, heart attack and other deaths drop so that the death count remains the same.

Absolutely false as hospitals are being overwhelmed in so many states, and the overall U. S. rate is still on the increase. Don't you read or watch the news?

 

[dad]

Absolutely false as hospitals are being overwhelmed in so many states, and the overall U. S. rate is still on the increase. Don't you read or watch the news?

Overwhelmed? Do you mean the whole hospital or some ward that is specially designated? Seems to me elective surgeries and routine care may not be overwhelming these days? Ha. To show you don't have a personal agenda though, prove your claim.

Anti-lockdown activist who filmed 'empty' A&E is arrested in dressing gown

 

[dad]

Do you have a transcript or can you summarize the salient points of the video?

Consider also that death rates are only part of the danger, and the rate of infection and hospitalization (leading to overwhelming hospitals) is also a danger and enough of a reason to take necessary community safety measures.

There is danger in many things. Masks that are misused for example. Crossing the street, etc.

 

[metis]

Overwhelmed? Do you mean the whole hospital or some ward that is specially designated? Seems to me elective surgeries and routine care may not be overwhelming these days? Ha. To show you don't have a personal agenda though, prove your claim.

ICU Workers Are Quitting Due To Crushing Stress From COVID-19 Surge

COVID, ICU capacity: 1 in 8 US hospitals out of intensive care space

‘Overwhelmed’: Hospitals engulfed by rebounding virus

 

[dad]

Then surely it may be discussed on a religious forum so that simpleton blasphemers such as I may understand!

Considering the argument is essentially the Problem of Evil, it is often discussed.

Accusing God of evil is blasphemy. Having many people with a personal agenda of blasphemy does not make it something else. Do you burn Korans also?

 

[dad]

ICU Workers Are Quitting Due To Crushing Stress From COVID-19 Surge

COVID, ICU capacity: 1 in 8 US hospitals out of intensive care space

‘Overwhelmed’: Hospitals engulfed by rebounding virus

Yes, it is a problem. The little areas devoted to serious lung problems are overtaxed. How about the rest of the hospital?

 

[dad]

So, precisely the same as what happens with, say, pneumonia.

Or, say a motorcycle accident where a guy picks up some covid before dying in a hospital emergency?

 

[Polymath257]

Or, say a motorcycle accident where a guy picks up some covid before dying in a hospital emergency?

By the guidelines you quoted, it would not be considered the cause of death.

 

[dad]

One person's blasphemy is someone else's basic truth.

Truth remains the same actually, only the number of people losing touch with it or never having been familiar with it increase.

 

[Polymath257]

Yes, it is a problem. The little areas devoted to serious lung problems are overtaxed. How about the rest of the hospital?

No, NOT just those small areas. The whole ICU has had to be expanded. They are now asking ambulances NOT to transport people who are unlikely to survive because there are no resources.

This is a danger to those who DON'T have COVID. If you get into an accident and need the ER, you may not be able to get treatment because of the long line of those ahead of you in triage.

 

[dad]

By the guidelines you quoted, it would not be considered the cause of death.

Says who? Is there any financial incentive to declaring a death covid related in any country or state? I remember when C sections in Canada started to be covered and pay considerably more than natural births. The C sections shot way way up. Gee I wonder why? The particular guidelines you cited are vague. "assumed'? Ha