Trailblazer
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That is what happened to the neighbor I mentioned in the OP, he lost consciousness. The ambulance took him to the hospital but I don't know what happened after that.
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My feelings about death
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Salty Booger
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Trailblazer
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Unfortunately, I spoke too soon when I said I finally got a reprieve from having sick cats. 
Now we have another sick cat, Silky, and I can only hope it is not serious.... It was just a week ago today that we had to take our new cat Atticus to the vet and he got antibiotics and started to get better in a few days, but he is only two years old. Silky is about 14 years old, one of our original cats we have had since she was born. It was her brother we lost last January.
Now we have another sick cat, Silky, and I can only hope it is not serious.... It was just a week ago today that we had to take our new cat Atticus to the vet and he got antibiotics and started to get better in a few days, but he is only two years old. Silky is about 14 years old, one of our original cats we have had since she was born. It was her brother we lost last January.
I'm sorry for your loss.
Keep in mind, Hebrews 2:14
Keep in mind, Hebrews 2:14
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I tend to view death the same as a I view birth. Both are natural and both are not permanent.
The tough part is attachment and that results in suffering, so I learned that its important to just appreciate those that you share life with and remember the kindness and joy of the moment that you spend. Either with our furry companions or human, we all are a part of the life and death cycle and the beauty is that this cycle perpetuates boundlessly. Its easier to let go in that respect and look forward as things continue.
I keep in mind all my human and animal friends that I shared my life with and wish them a prosperous continuation into the next incarnation as we have already incarnated into this life through our births.
Givin the vastness and eternal nature of the continuum, its always possible that paths may cross again, as well as meeting new friends and family as our eyes close and open endlessly in perpetuity.
The tough part is attachment and that results in suffering, so I learned that its important to just appreciate those that you share life with and remember the kindness and joy of the moment that you spend. Either with our furry companions or human, we all are a part of the life and death cycle and the beauty is that this cycle perpetuates boundlessly. Its easier to let go in that respect and look forward as things continue.
I keep in mind all my human and animal friends that I shared my life with and wish them a prosperous continuation into the next incarnation as we have already incarnated into this life through our births.
Givin the vastness and eternal nature of the continuum, its always possible that paths may cross again, as well as meeting new friends and family as our eyes close and open endlessly in perpetuity.
On behalf of everyone of the Religious Forum (theists and atheists alike), we are sorry for your sadness and loss.
As you recently reaffirmed, happiness is not the cure for sadness. The two (happiness and sadness) seem opposite, but they are not. While someone is grieving, you don't comfort them for the loss of their loved ones by being a clown or telling jokes.
The bible says that the leaders of the most powerful nation in the world that attacked Iraq twice are demons from hell and father and son. In Revelation, t hey are called the dragon and the beast . Revelation 17:18 (Whore of Babylon is the most powerful nation in the world).
The attack on Iraq incurred God's wrath, and put us in the end times (all life on earth will end due to the sin of attacking Iraq). God's wrath includes economic woes (trade, debt, starvation, homelessness), environmental destruction (pestilence such as giant Asian hornets invading Washington, Oregon, and northern California, global warming, increased intensity of hurricanes (like hurricane Katrina), plagues mentioned in Revelation 15 (including COVID, mutated COVID, highly contagious and drug resistent Candida auris, etc.), torture camps (like Guantanamo...though Chapman College law professor, John Woo redefined the word torture in order for W. Bush to lie that torture doesn't exist....redefining is another way of lying).
With all of these problems (such as the end of all life on earth), Christmas is a break when we can forget our troubles for a brief time. We can forget that our kids will starve once we buy them Christmas presents. We can forget that we can't pay our bills and will be homeless. Now is the time to think of the smell of cinnemon buns baking in the oven, and pumpkin pie, and a browned basted turkey stuffed with spiced breading and meat juice with walnuts and celery, and presents under a evergreen tree that was cut down in its prime and will no longer live and help God's animals survive. Now is the time to throw caution to the wind and be a bit silly with alcohol laced egg nog, and tequila shots with vodka as we drive the opposite way on a one way lane of the freeway with our lights off at night at 130 miles per hour.
Of course, more tragedies occur during the holidays than ordinary days....and it is likely the lack of moderation that causes that.
Our relatives will warn us that during the holidays there are maniacs on the road, and we can reassure them that one more won't hurt.
My neighbors squirted a hose on kittens entering their yard in the dead of winter at night, and some died of freezing. One of my neighbors noted my warm love for a tiny black kitten and tossed the kitten into the fan of a running car engine and watched as the fan blades chopped its corpse into bits. Another neighbor "taught the cats a lesson not to come onto his property" by stomping their spines in two. After twenty five corpses with broken spines, I phoned the police, so my neighbors blamed me. Even after this different neighbors were lawn bowling kittens into the street to see if they could get cars to splatter them.
Now is the time to consider that the natural deaths of our loved ones is normal but sad. We should council those who break the law and are needlessly cruel to animals. Though councilling does no good, and acts as a lightning rod for further attacks on our beloved animals.
Death is inevitable, and God should not be blamed for causing death. If my cruel Christian neighbors had heeded the word of God (and/or Jesus) in the churches that they frequent, these needless murders would not have happened.
It is a horrible tragedy when old people die, but in extreme old age death is expected. Therefore, death at a young age is even more tragic (it is not expected).
My neighbors often ride their motorcycles to show off their tattoos, drum up narcotic sales, and occasionally flash skin by lifting their shirts, but their daughter's Harley just crashed on the 405 freeway and they are devastated because she was so young. They knew that she was too small to properly control a big bike like the Harley. But they also know that as upstanding Christians, their dead will go to heaven. They can also be assured that those who don't believe as they do will go to hell for all eternity. Heaven is going to be a very interest place.
We should prepare for all holidays, like shooting flaming firecrackers into our neighbors leaf piles and onto his new roof on the 4th of July.
As you recently reaffirmed, happiness is not the cure for sadness. The two (happiness and sadness) seem opposite, but they are not. While someone is grieving, you don't comfort them for the loss of their loved ones by being a clown or telling jokes.
The bible says that the leaders of the most powerful nation in the world that attacked Iraq twice are demons from hell and father and son. In Revelation, t hey are called the dragon and the beast . Revelation 17:18 (Whore of Babylon is the most powerful nation in the world).
The attack on Iraq incurred God's wrath, and put us in the end times (all life on earth will end due to the sin of attacking Iraq). God's wrath includes economic woes (trade, debt, starvation, homelessness), environmental destruction (pestilence such as giant Asian hornets invading Washington, Oregon, and northern California, global warming, increased intensity of hurricanes (like hurricane Katrina), plagues mentioned in Revelation 15 (including COVID, mutated COVID, highly contagious and drug resistent Candida auris, etc.), torture camps (like Guantanamo...though Chapman College law professor, John Woo redefined the word torture in order for W. Bush to lie that torture doesn't exist....redefining is another way of lying).
With all of these problems (such as the end of all life on earth), Christmas is a break when we can forget our troubles for a brief time. We can forget that our kids will starve once we buy them Christmas presents. We can forget that we can't pay our bills and will be homeless. Now is the time to think of the smell of cinnemon buns baking in the oven, and pumpkin pie, and a browned basted turkey stuffed with spiced breading and meat juice with walnuts and celery, and presents under a evergreen tree that was cut down in its prime and will no longer live and help God's animals survive. Now is the time to throw caution to the wind and be a bit silly with alcohol laced egg nog, and tequila shots with vodka as we drive the opposite way on a one way lane of the freeway with our lights off at night at 130 miles per hour.
Of course, more tragedies occur during the holidays than ordinary days....and it is likely the lack of moderation that causes that.
Our relatives will warn us that during the holidays there are maniacs on the road, and we can reassure them that one more won't hurt.
My neighbors squirted a hose on kittens entering their yard in the dead of winter at night, and some died of freezing. One of my neighbors noted my warm love for a tiny black kitten and tossed the kitten into the fan of a running car engine and watched as the fan blades chopped its corpse into bits. Another neighbor "taught the cats a lesson not to come onto his property" by stomping their spines in two. After twenty five corpses with broken spines, I phoned the police, so my neighbors blamed me. Even after this different neighbors were lawn bowling kittens into the street to see if they could get cars to splatter them.
Now is the time to consider that the natural deaths of our loved ones is normal but sad. We should council those who break the law and are needlessly cruel to animals. Though councilling does no good, and acts as a lightning rod for further attacks on our beloved animals.
Death is inevitable, and God should not be blamed for causing death. If my cruel Christian neighbors had heeded the word of God (and/or Jesus) in the churches that they frequent, these needless murders would not have happened.
It is a horrible tragedy when old people die, but in extreme old age death is expected. Therefore, death at a young age is even more tragic (it is not expected).
My neighbors often ride their motorcycles to show off their tattoos, drum up narcotic sales, and occasionally flash skin by lifting their shirts, but their daughter's Harley just crashed on the 405 freeway and they are devastated because she was so young. They knew that she was too small to properly control a big bike like the Harley. But they also know that as upstanding Christians, their dead will go to heaven. They can also be assured that those who don't believe as they do will go to hell for all eternity. Heaven is going to be a very interest place.
We should prepare for all holidays, like shooting flaming firecrackers into our neighbors leaf piles and onto his new roof on the 4th of July.
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, I spoke too soon when I said I finally got a reprieve from having sick cats.
Now we have another sick cat, Silky, and I can only hope it is not serious.... It was just a week ago today that we had to take our new cat Atticus to the vet and he got antibiotics and started to get better in a few days, but he is only two years old. Silky is about 14 years old, one of our original cats we have had since she was born. It was her brother we lost last January.
Whilst I understand the meaning of loss, I would also ask you to take this into account: 'A 2013 study estimated free-ranging domestic cats kill between 1.3 and 4 billion birds – on top of between 6.2 and 22.3 billion mammals – every year in the United States alone, the majority by feral or unowned cats. Figures released by the Mammal Society show the UK's estimates for domestic cat kills to be more sober, but still shocking: around 100 million prey items between Spring and Summer, of which 27 million were birds – and not counting the creatures the cats didn't bring home.'
Hellbound Serpiente
Active Member
Mother nature is dark and brutal. All the living are involved in killing of other living, either intentionally or unintentionally.
Hellbound Serpiente
Active Member
I don't know why you have hope, every ounce of hope has been beaten out of me by life. Things had always been hell for me, I don't think there's light at the end of the road for me. There's nothing except pain.
Like I always say --- Ignorance and arrogance usually breeds destruction. And these two diseases of heart and soul are common and rife among many people, ESPECIALLY religious people. People of this arrogant nature are inherently cruel and they are more of slaves of their inflated egos rather than slaves of their respective God. Their ignorance, arrogance, cruelty, apathy and other wiles are emerging from their egos, and ego is a falsifier, liar, deceiver, selfish and overall just evil. It is this ego of their that has made them believe all sorts of lies which caused so much destruction in the world [due to (pseudo)religions, false ideologies etc.] and they arrogantly stick with those lies even in presence of many opposing evidence because their egos just outright refuse to accept anything that goes against it.
Just like you pointed out, we don't know what God is doing, we don't know whether this is a test from God or anything else. What we do know for sure is somebody is suffering, that's the only thing that is certain. And alleviating their suffering to any extent is the right thing to do, constructive and beneficial to one who is suffering and also to the one who is achieving God's Pleasure through alleviating the pain of a fellow human being.
I am way past that point. Unfortunately, I've learned to handle and manage my pain by my self. Nothing is really helping me, except for my medications. And it's too late to help me now. When I needed help, I was given hell. You can't give life to a dead man.
capumetu
Active Member
Yes maam, I definitely understand where you are coming from, and have felt similarly many times. Clearly you have a very keen sense of justice. It is normal and natural to feel that way. All people of love would not allow living things to die if it was within our power, so why doesn't God?
The truth is maam, that He is not the one responsible for death, it is a result of the sin of Adam. Rom 5:12 If you really think about it, God chose rightly as to how to settle it permanently. You see there was a bigger issue than just Adam's sin, satan told Eve that she could choose for herself what is right and wrong, in other words maam, be your own god. So the question was raised in front of everyone existing at the time (the spirit realm), as well as to humans. Can they build an acceptable world without God.
It can be illustrated with a rebellious student in a classroom. A teacher states something, and a student disagrees, what options does the teacher have? He can send him to the principals office, but that didn't settle the issue, who was correct? A wise teacher would hand the student the chalk, and say prove your case, then all the other students curiosity would be satisfied as well.
God could have destroyed the couple, as well as satan, but it wouldn't have answered the question. Most of us by now like yourself see the injustice in the world, and how man has not been able to produce a perfect world, far from it. But many still put their faith in man to solve the earth's problems, I know a few that have told me that to my face.
Sadly, to truly answer the issue to everyone's satisfaction Jesus informed us that God is going to allow this world to go to the point of extinction before He sends His forces to save the few righteous people that are left. Mat 24:22
I hope this helps you to understand, that God really has no choice but to allow us to go that far, for the benefit of all in the long run.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
To love means to lose in the end, you have to enjoy the journey. We are reminded daily; one of our cats is poorly a lot. The vet calls him the King of Complications. He's back to the vets on Tursday; he should have his own room.
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
We live in a fallen world. Which is why, IMO, we all need a Saviour who knows the true meaning of love.
Dear Susan,
I'm really sorry for your loss. Pets can be as dear to us as people and sometimes others don't take that sadness seriously. May I ask what happened? Did you lose all of your cats at the same time? What a horrible situation to add to all the other troubles of 2020.
I hope in time your pain with become easier to deal with and that you feel less angry. Maybe you'll be able to give some of your love to other animals, when you're ready for that.
Since ' death ' was Not God's original purpose for humanity, then ' enemy death ' causes hurt, even lasting hurt to various degrees.
Back in the 1960's one woman when at 7 1/2 month's pregnant her appendix burst.
So, emergency surgery was performed for her appendix and a Cesarean section.
Because the baby was 5 lbs. the hospital did not put him in an incubator, but Tony he only lived 28 hours.
The hospital and the funeral home did Not want any pictures taken, so I saw Tony but the hospitalized mother never did.
In Scripture, I find that the only hope for Tony is the Resurrection Hope - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
The teaching that Tony and his parents can once again be re-united.
This is a reason to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to come !
Come and undo all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon us.
Given a sufficient amount of time and generations, it will definitely go away.
ciao
- viole
“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.” -Mark Twain
They will die too, won’t they?
Well, I am sure that you agree there is an upper limit to that pain. For instance when the universe will be just a a dead soup of high entropic photons.
ciao
- viole
I was clear in saying people who KNEW the deceased.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not believe in reincarnation back to this world, but I believe in continuation of the soul in the next world, or worlds, of God.
I believe we will see our loved ones in the next life, but whether we will see our animal companions is anyone's best guess.