JerryMyers
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Do you see yourself in the role of Jesus then?
Huh ??! Where did that come from?? I am just making some observations based from what was written in the Bible, but if you think Jesus faced no resistance and the Jews never questioned his teaching, then, we must be reading different Bibles.
Who are you to tell others what Jesus did or did not do? What makes you right and everyone else wrong? What would be the point of that?
I was telling others what Jesus did or did not do ??! Not really, it was more like I was telling you what Jesus really said and did not say based on what was written in your own Bible. Your inability to understand ‘figure of speech’ and took every words of Jesus literally is what stopping you from understanding Jesus.
Who is Jesus addressing at Matthew 28:19-20?...certainly not just one person.
Well, speaking of Matthew 28:19-29, do you know the consensus of even the most conservative scholars is that this baptismal formula ‘in the name of the Father, the son and the Holy Ghost’ in Matthew 28:19 was added to the original Matthew at a very late point in time, after the adoption of the trinity doctrine – that’s why you can find this baptismal formula only in Matthew 28 and nowhere else in the whole Bible. Please also note that Jesus preached the baptism of repentance. What does baptism mean to the Christians today ??
I agree that most people are trapped in the traditions of their forefathers, whether Jewish or those in Christendom....
In Christendom we see that the core of their beliefs, shared almost universally are not of biblical origin. The trinity, immortality of the soul and hellfire to name a few. None of them were taught by Jesus, yet most will tell you that you can't be a Christian without those doctrines as central to the Christian faith. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Then, what does that make Christianity (or Christendom, if you like) if its following doctrines which are not of scriptural origin and never preached by Jesus ?? A false Faith created by man ??
I see that a lot of people have an issue with Paul......I do not.
For starters, if you believe that the Bible is the word of God, and that he inspired its writings, then if Paul was some sort of charlatan, why would he allow Paul's words to be in it? If this God has the power to create the Universe and to inspire his prophets to write scripture, how is his power lacking when it comes to what is included in his own instruction manual?
No, I don’t believe the Bible is the word of God. The Bible is a compilation of various books/letters authored by many men. The Bible you have today is a mixture of truth and lies.
‘Inspired by God’ does not mean it was dictated by God. JK. Rowling was inspired by God to write the Harry Potter books, but that does not mean every words in those books are the words of God. Christians are misled by the church into believing their scriptures cannot be altered or edited because they are ‘inspired by God’ when we know in Jeremiah 8:8, God told Jeremiah to ask his people ‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?’. If the lying pen of the scribes has handled the scripture falsely even in Jeremiah’s time, what makes you think the scripture cannot be handled falsely by the scribes AFTER Jesus has departed ??
John 17:15-19...Jesus words...
"I do not request that you take them out of the world, but that you watch over them because of the wicked one. 16 They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. 17 Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth. 18 Just as you sent me into the world, I also sent them into the world. 19 And I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, so that they also may be sanctified by means of truth."
You want to explain to me in context what John 17:15-19 which you quoted is about ?? Let see whether you understand Jesus’ words or not.
Jesus sent the 12 into the world and after his death and resurrection, he also appointed Saul of Tarsus, the fremst persecutor of Christians to become a "chosen vessel" to take his message to the nations.
Jesus NEVER met Paul aka Saul of Taurus, so how could he has appointed Paul ‘to become a "chosen vessel" to take his message to the nations’ ??? Another ‘teaching’ of your church??
I fail to understand how people can accuse Paul of being a false apostle. He taught nothing contrary to what Jesus had taught the other apostles. If anything he clarified many things and opened up a fuller understanding. If the apostles had God's holy spirit then why did they not expose Paul as a fraud? They accepted him as a Christian brother in the faith....and so do I.
Paul taught nothing contrary to what Jesus had taught ???! Are you that ignorant of your own Bible?? The very fact that Paul said your faith is useless if you don’t believe Jesus rose from the dead is already contradictory to Jesus’ preaching…unless you can show me from your own Bible where Jesus preached the same understanding. Frankly speaking, I fail to understand why are you in a Faith whose doctrines are central to the Faith, but, in your own words, not of biblical origin and never taught by Jesus Christ ??
Unless you understand the mechanics of the ransom and the purpose of redemption after the fall in Eden, you cannot appreciate how vital Christ's death and resurrection are for our future.
Obviously Jesus doesn’t know his ‘death and resurrection’ are vital to man’s future, else he would not have prayed earnestly to God to save him from his predicament. If he knew he was sent to die for the sin of mankind, he would not be praying to God to save him but he would be thanking God for allowing the Romans to crucify him and left him hanging on a cross. I supposed you also believe the Jews who plotted to kill Jesus because they find his teaching a threat to their own traditional belief are now rewarded in God’s heaven for their parts in the ‘killing’ of Jesus !!
The 12 appreciated that Christ had died and was resurrected and they wrote about it.
All four Gospel accounts tell of the fulfillment of Jesus’ words that he would be raised on the third day. The apostle Matthew reports that first an angel appeared and announced Christ’s resurrection to women two of whom Matthew named, that Jesus later appeared to these and that still later Jesus appeared to his disciples in Galilee. (Matthew 28:1-20; Mark 16:1-8)
The physician Luke additionally tells of the resurrected Jesus comforting two of his disciples on the way to Emmaus, of another appearance to his disciples in Jerusalem and of his disciples seeing him borne up into heaven out of their sight. (Luke 24:1-53)
Problem is - there are discrepancies in the ‘empty tomb’ story. Mark gospel said there was 1 man, Luke gospel said there were 2 men, Matthew gospel said there was 1 angel accompanied by a violent earthquake and John gospel did not even mention anything about angels. So, one has to wonder whether the angel/men story was fabricated by those who reported that story to the author of the respective gospel. Surely all 4 versions of the angles/men in the ‘empty tomb’ story can be fabricated, but, certainly not all 4 versions of that story can be true. It definitely would not hold in today’s court of law.
And not to mention, none of the disciples, including Mary Magdalene, whom Jesus met after the supposedly ‘resurrection’ reacted as if they are seeing someone who was just crucified and rose from the dead… hmmm, maybe people rising from the dead is a common sight in those days…
Also, when choosing a successor to Judas, Peter stipulated that it had to be one who had been “a witness with us of his resurrection.” (Acts 1:20-22)
Did the apostles lie?
According to the Bible, there are no witness to Jesus’ resurrection. Jesus was laid down alone in the tomb, no one accompanied him in the tomb and when Mary Magdalene came on Sunday morning, the tomb was already empty. Did the Scripture lie ?
The "Christianity" you speak of is nothing of the sort.....it is "Christendom" and never the twain shall meet.
So, what exactly is ‘Christianity’ and what exactly is ‘Christendom’ based on your understanding ??
But I have no idea where you are getting your information from, because it is not from scripture.
So, you are telling me 1 Corinthians 15:4 - “And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith” is not from the scripture ?? OK, noted.
If you believe that the Bible is genuinely the word of God and not from men, you have to take it all as gospel...not just the bits that agree with what you want to believe. Its either ALL God's word...or none of it is.
AS I said erlier, I don’t believe the Bible is the word of God. I believe the Bible you have today is a mixture of truth and lies. The authors of the 4 gospels NEVER claimed the words they wrote are words of God, BUT, they did claim that the gospels are written ACCORDING TO Mark, Matthew, Luke and John respectively, and you can find that at the beginning of each gospel.