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Another thread on Islam, Muslims and terrorism, because its needed for some

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Sure. As I know, Lane was the originator of the white genocide myth. But I dont know if this wiki link is sufficient as a link.

David Lane (white supremacist) - Wikipedia

Thanks for the info.

Check this out:

White genocide conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

Apparently Maddison Grant was the person who came up with the White Genocide myth:

"Madison Grant
In 1916, the American eugenicist and lawyer Madison Grant wrote a book entitled The Passing of the Great Race which, while largely ignored when it first appeared, went through four editions, becoming part of popular culture in 1920s America and, in the process, spawned the ideology that the founding-stock of the United States, the so-called Nordic race, were under extinction threats from assimilation with non-whites. Grant wrote of it:

Neither the black, nor the brown, nor the yellow, nor the red will conquer the white in battle. But if the valuable elements in the Nordic race mix with inferior strains or die out through race suicide, then the citadel of civilization will fall for mere lack of defenders.[51]

The Harvard Gazette described Grant's assertion that the race which "built" America was in danger of extinction unless the US reined in immigration of Jews and others.[52] Author F. Scott Fitzgerald made a lightly disguised reference to Grant in The Great Gatsby, in which the character Tom Buchanan was reading a book called The Rise of the Colored Empires by "this man Goddard", a combination of Grant and his colleague Lothrop Stoddard. (Grant wrote the introduction to Stoddard's book The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy.) "Everybody ought to read it", Buchanan explained. "The idea is if we don't look out the white race will be – will be utterly submerged. It's all scientific stuff; it's been proved."[53]"

The correlation between him and Lane are interesting though. They involved Norse mythology in their ideas.
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Oh okay. Sorry IK, I am no expert on that subject.

No problem. :) I am the one who brought it up, but I never heard of Lane before so thanks very much for letting me know about him.

I have been looking into prejudice and racism as of late (I am no expert at all myself on the subject) and to me Islamophobia is just one part of a grander agenda. I am noticing that certain ideas that demonise countries, cultures and religions are being promoted by a certain group of people with the same beliefs. And there are loads of them on the internet which is scary.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
I am opening this thread in order to discuss the topic above since it seems like an inevitable topic that seems to be brought up in simple and irrelevant threads with very irrelevant topics.

Why is it that you think that Muslims are terrorists or are the most numerous terrorists in the history of mankind or modern history that we can take note of? Do you really think that Muslims are terrorists much more than anyone else from any movement or theology? Is it innate to Muslims? Why do you think what you think?

It is a pertinent subject to discuss openly because honestly there are some muslims who try to apple polish all terrorists in order to save their theology from scrutiny, but there are also some people who seem to be in love with the Muslim Terrorist topic because they seem to bring it into any topic. Thus, maybe one could use this thread to discuss honestly and openly or even maybe use this thread to show their innate anger openly so that other threads may have its topic as an anchor.

Its interesting. Lets hear it.
Islamic terrorism is encouraged and ultimately (basically) controlled at the top by the world revolutionary movement (wrm) ... I mean the people who are basically behind all revolutions and political upheaval around the world. So, the point of Islamic terrorism is the following:
  • Provide a boogeyman. They can invade many countries on this excuse and they can also create police states in countries they already control for the purpose of the so called war on terror.
  • It furthers the goal of discrediting the major religions of the world. This time it's to discredit Islam but also in the minds of many people it discredits religion in general.
  • It also provides a cover story for their own covert operations around the world. They can do what they "need" to do and blame it on terrorism. It's simple.
  • Money, funding and advancement of the military industrial complex.
How they do it. They control everything from the top. They definitely aren't the ones blowing themselves up in suicide attacks. They control terrorist organizations. Unfortunately the people who suffer and die are useful idiots and those they destroy for the cause of "Jihad" ... so they think anyway.
 

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
Eh... Most muslim folks I've known are good people. When I think of muslim folks, I think of good home cooking. :D

They'd no sooner resort to terrorism than me. Then again, they certainly aren't fundamentalists. I think fundamentalism is where you start running into issues.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
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Why is it that you think that Muslims are terrorists or are the most numerous terrorists in the history of mankind or modern history that we can take note of?
Why is it that you think you know what I think?

Do you really think that Muslims are terrorists much more than anyone else from any movement or theology? Is it innate to Muslims?
Well at least you admit that you don't have a clue about my thoughts now. That's better.

Why do you think what you think?
I think your OP is crammed full of presumption.

:)
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Haha. I was expecting that actually. So please do quote the Quran for your statements. Lets see some lists you could cut and paste from some website that has them. Lets test them. Go on. ;)

and from @exchemist
Haha! Icehorse is this forum's expert on dodgy far-right anti-muslim websites.

Popcorn time. Let the Games begin.:D

I'll start off by noticing that you're both strawmanning me. Not a convincing way to start a debate ;)

So let's look at the evidence in the world:

- My guess is that you'll struggle to find many Jews interested in migrating to a Muslim Majority country.
- My guess is that you'll struggle to find many folks in the LGBT community interested in migrating to a Muslim Majority country.
- My guess is that you'll struggle to find many eligible, single women interested in migrating to a Muslim Majority country.

We've also posted MANY TIMES, results from large, well regarded polling organizations such as Pew Research that indicate that throughout the Muslim world, Muslims want to live under theocracies, at least to some degree.

So which of my earlier claims - specifically - do you take exception to?
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Why is it that you think that Muslims are terrorists or are the most numerous terrorists in the history of mankind or modern history

Not even close. That assertion is not based on deep historical research.

The main concern is that Islam teaches

"Islam" does not teach because "Islam" is not a person. There are many Muslims who teach very positive values based on their understanding of the Quran and Hadith. Those who don't know that have not searched and found that.

Just three Hadith examples from the book "Th Wisdom of Muhammad":

"Verily there are heavenly rewards for any act of kindness to a live animal"

"Feed the hungry and visit the sick, and free the captive, if he be unjustly confined. Assist any person oppressed whether Muslim or non-Muslim"

"Do you love your Creator? Love your fellow-beings first"
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
"Islam" does not teach because "Islam" is not a person. There are many Muslims who teach very positive values based on their understanding of the Quran and Hadith. Those who don't know that have not searched and found that.

Do you disagree with any of my more specific claims about the Muslim world?

Because it strikes me that you're being pedantic in order to obscure the point.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Good thread

Why is it that you think that Muslims are terrorists or are the most numerous terrorists in the history of mankind or modern history that we can take note of?
I do not think that Muslims are terrorists, but I do think, that of all the religions the Islam is now more prone to these excesses than other religions
Why I think this?
1) Muslims never answered "YES" sofar, if I asked "Do you agree that Islam and Hinduism (or (non)faith X) are equal in the sense to be able to reach the highest goal"
1) (Not able to answer "YES" to this simple question, means that they believe their religion is superior; from Hitler we know the BIG danger of this)
1) ("The Nazis declared that the Nordics (now referred to as the Germanic peoples), or Aryans were superior to all other races.")
1) (Many Christians also have this superiority complex, and have killed many because of this, but recently they stopped doing that)
1) (Christianity is older, and finally this "spiritual ego" disease has worn off. I read in Indian Scriptures that Spiritual ego is incurable in 1 lifetime)
1) (Hindu Scriptures see God in all and are much older, hence their tolerance towards other faiths (if there is mutual respect of course)
1) (Bahais don't kill. One might say "above is proven wrong", BUT Bahaullah clearly included other religions. This spiritual ego is tricky though,)
1) (I have met many Bahais who fell in this trap by saying "All Religions lead to God, but the others should finally go through Bahai faith")
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Do you really think that Muslims are terrorists much more than anyone else from any movement or theology?
2) Muslims I met could never admit there is a flaw in the Koran. E.g.: 5:38. It says to cut of the hands of a thief as a punishment of Allah
1) (IF Koran is book of God, and all verses are perfect for all times THEN in USA cutting off hands when stealing should be good; it's NOT good)
3) Many verses speak about other Religions (Christians and Jews). Talking about painful punishment in the hereafter. This proves that Koran is
1) (NOT for all humans, because Hinduism does not teach this. IF Koran is for all humans THEN it belittles Hinduism and I call it supremacy)
From 1990 till 2010 I spend most of the years in India, reading hundreds of Spiritual Books, but can't remember reading that we were advised to cut off hands of thiefs or other such cruel actions. There are many stories about demons whose nose were slashed off etc, but very clearly those were stories about demons. Koran talks about actual people slashing off hands; that is why Koran is more prone to this violence IMO.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Do you really think that Muslims are terrorists much more than anyone else from any movement or theology?
I think German supremacy is equally dangerous. Although, I do think when supremacy stems from religion it is more dangerous. They even have this saying "he is very religious about it". They tend to be a bit more extreme, which is understandable in the Abrahamic Religions, because of the fear of the hereafter. And doing things motivated by God is kind of the biggest motivator IMO, hence most destructive if used in the wrong way.

Is it innate to Muslims?
I do not think it is innate in Muslims; I believe all babies are innocent, except maybe some emotions taken on from the mother; hence in India it used to be a custom, that a pregnant mother was shielded from any violence (negative vibes), because the unborn baby will be influenced by the violence
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Why do you think what you think?
Your below quote is the main reason that I think what I think. I am glad that you mention it. You are the only one so far I have seen doing this. I told God "show me one, who can admit flaws in Islam and Koran". Another one is for example Pakistan and its PM and a few other Muslims in high positions. Especially how these people criticize France and Macron, because of his new Laws to protect France against terrorism.

IF this PM had just once said "I understand it's bad these Muslim terrorists, and I agree that France does whatever it needs to do, to protect France", I would be okay. But he said the opposite, attacking France for not having Freedom of Religion. He should have said "Sorry for these attacks in name of Islam".

All these things add up a lot. Muslims seem to have an issue to admit Islam/Koran is the cause of much terrorism, and for sure the Koran has something to do with it. Maybe these terrorists just misinterpret the Koran (I give koran advantage of doubt). But then it is highest time to edit the Koran, because with nowadays atomic bombs almost for sale on internet, verses that are so easily misinterpreted are a huge danger.

Pakistan Muslim threatened to nuke Holland over just a drawing contest of Muhammad. That is another crazy Muslim idea, that non-Muslims are also not allowed to draw Muhammad. Absurd. And if Muslims can't see this absurdity then they are supremacists. And therefore dangerous.

It is a pertinent subject to discuss openly because honestly there are some muslims who try to apple polish all terrorists in order to save their theology from scrutiny,

but there are also some people who seem to be in love with the Muslim Terrorist topic because they seem to bring it into any topic
Yes, that is why I gave you a winner, to start this thread. This is much better.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
You don't have to go back too far to see Christian terrorists in, for example, Ireland. Or Jewish terrorists at the King David hotel. Some of the original suicide bombers were Buddhist in Sri Lanka. We have white supremacist terrorism in the US.

People seem to resort to terrorism when they feel that they are not heard and that violence is the only way to get attention. If religion is added to this, they can feel that their opponents are evil and *deserve* to be killed.

Currently, Islamic terrorism is more of a concern to many than other sources. But it is far from being the only source, or even the most deadly one.

Like most things - yes and no.
Christian and Jewish terrorism is difficult to sustain because there's no doctrinal basis
for it. Islam however was created by a warlord and is premised on conquest and forced
conversion.
If you claim to be a born-again killer it's hard finding supporting texts in the Gospels and
Epistles - being a God-is-great Muslim killer is easy as the Quran is filled with violence.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
o_O

30 years: The Troubles - Wikipedia
105 years and counting (in its modern iteration): Ku Klux Klan - Wikipedia
33 years and counting: Lord's Resistance Army - Wikipedia
23 years and counting: A Brief History of Deadly Attacks on Abortion Providers (Published 2015)
100 years and counting: Christian Identity - Wikipedia

I didn't know the KKK cause was a religious one? I thought this was to do more with American
Democrats and their on-going issue with Republicans over blacks and slavery.
The Troubles was about Irish rule, wasn't it?
Anti-abortion people come in all shapes and sizes - it's not religious, it's hating the killing of unborn children.

The trouble with all these groups is that they try to pull Christianity into the cause, just as they use nationality,
justice, peace, truth, honor, culture, tradition and fear of the other. The Christian one is the hardest to stick
because the Gospels simply don't help.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I didn't know the KKK cause was a religious one? I thought this was to do more with American
Democrats and their on-going issue with Republicans over blacks and slavery.
KKK Leader: 'We're a Christian Organization;' Claims the Klan Is Not a Hate Group

The Troubles was about Irish rule, wasn't it?
... between two sides divided largely along Christian sectarian lines.

Anti-abortion people come in all shapes and sizes - it's not religious, it's hating the killing of unborn children.
Tell you what: you name one anti-abortion terrorist who wasn't Christian, then I'll name 3 who were. We'll keep going until one of us runs out.

The trouble with all these groups is that they try to pull Christianity into the cause, just as they use nationality,
justice, peace, truth, honor, culture, tradition and fear of the other. The Christian one is the hardest to stick
because the Gospels simply don't help.
Muslim terrorism usually has a political aspect, too. If you're going to say that this political aspect makes Christian terrorism "not Christian," then it would be hypocritical for you not to do the same for Muslim terrorism.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
KKK Leader: 'We're a Christian Organization;' Claims the Klan Is Not a Hate Group


... between two sides divided largely along Christian sectarian lines.


Tell you what: you name one anti-abortion terrorist who wasn't Christian, then I'll name 3 who were. We'll keep going until one of us runs out.


Muslim terrorism usually has a political aspect, too. If you're going to say that this political aspect makes Christian terrorism "not Christian," then it would be hypocritical for you not to do the same for Muslim terrorism.

I can go kill the unbeliever of Islam because the Koran says I can. I am being a good Muslim.
I can kill in the name of Jesus but the Gospel say I can't. I am being a bad Christian.
That's the difference.

Q4:95 “Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons
than to those who sit (at home).”
Q8:60 “to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides,
whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know.”
Q9:29 “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been
forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the
People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

Matthew 5 "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate
you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you"
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I am opening this thread in order to discuss the topic above since it seems like an inevitable topic that seems to be brought up in simple and irrelevant threads with very irrelevant topics.

Why is it that you think that Muslims are terrorists or are the most numerous terrorists in the history of mankind or modern history that we can take note of? Do you really think that Muslims are terrorists much more than anyone else from any movement or theology? Is it innate to Muslims? Why do you think what you think?

It is a pertinent subject to discuss openly because honestly there are some muslims who try to apple polish all terrorists in order to save their theology from scrutiny, but there are also some people who seem to be in love with the Muslim Terrorist topic because they seem to bring it into any topic. Thus, maybe one could use this thread to discuss honestly and openly or even maybe use this thread to show their innate anger openly so that other threads may have its topic as an anchor.

Its interesting. Lets hear it.
While I dont think all Muslims are terrorists, there enough real world examples to conclude its not an insignificant number either.
 
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