Liberty

[Cooky]

So you are perfectly happy to not be responsible for what you say, words your own brain commands to come out of your mouth

Do you also think you should not be responsible for rape or murder?

How about paedophilia?

All commanded by the perpetrators brain...

That's right. Nobody is "responsible" for their actions any more than a car is responsible for having a broken radiator. Would you put a car in jail?

 

[Father Heathen]

So perhaps you would consider bringing responsibility for ones own words in to law?

After having already demonstrated why such a notion is silly by the examples I've provided, no, I would absolutely not consider it.
As established, the onus of responsibility is upon the offended.

 

[Cooky]

There is a considerable difference between talk and inciting violence, hate speech

And you know it

No, that's only what you have been programmed to think.

 

[ChristineM]

That's right. Nobody is "responsible" for their actions any more than a car is responsible for having a broken radiator. Would you put a car in jail?

American prisons are full of people who can prove you wrong

 

[ChristineM]

After having already demonstrated why such a notion is silly by the examples I've provided, no, I would absolutely not consider it.
As established, the onus of responsibility is upon the offended.

Check on my post #219, there are a few examples in there that examples that show just how silly the notion is not

 

[ChristineM]

No, that's only what you have been programmed to think.

Ok twin towers and Charlie hebdo didn't happen and the world is a much better place for it... oh wait

 

[Cooky]

American prisons are full of people who can prove you wrong

Yeah right, like the guy who stabbed his mother in the heart and then climbed on top of a tower and started shooting people. Turns out the poor guy was a loving son who happened to have a tumor in his brain pushing against his cortex causing all kinds of neurological side effects, that would cause anyone to do equally bizarre behavior.

...You can't just go around punishing people for what they say. We do only what our biological chemistry tells us.

...What you *CAN* do, is identify and *EDUCATE* people about how reliance on religious dogma can create a false morality, which is divorced from the reality of human suffering and the efforts to alleviate it.

 

[Cooky]

it makes more biological sense to educate people rather than force draconian rules on people acting 100% biologically normal.

And if you can't educate radicals, then you just have to live with the violence, but punishing innocent people, acting 100% biologically normal, is as bad as punching a car with a flat tire.

 

[Father Heathen]

Check on my post #219, there are a few examples in there that examples that show just how silly the notion is not

....

Seriously?

Rape and murder are heinous crimes because they victimize innocent people, and you actually want to equate such acts to people taking offense over words?

 

[Cooky]

@ChristineM, I urge you to reconsider your stance.

 

[ChristineM]

Yeah right, like the guy who stabbed his mother in the heart and then climbed on top of a tower and started shooting people. Turns out the poor guy was a loving son who happened to have a tumor in his brain pushing against his cortex causing all kinds of neurological side effects, that would cause anyone to do equally bizarre behavior.

...You can't just go around punishing people for what they say. We do only what our biological chemistry tells us.

...What you *CAN* do, is identify and *EDUCATE* people about how reliance on religious dogma can create a false morality, which is divorced from the reality of human suffering and the efforts to alleviate it.

So all americans have brain tumours, thats t different thing

However without medical condition as an excuse, it is my opinion that people are responsible for what they do and say. If you wont take responsibility for your own actions the perhaps you should be still in kindergarten

 

[ChristineM]

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Seriously?

Rape and murder are heinous crimes because they victimize innocent people, and you actually want to equate such acts to people taking offense over words?

So does hate speech. And can cause as much harm

 

[ChristineM]

@ChristineM, I urge you to reconsider your stance.

Why, i am adult and take responsibility for my actions. What stance do you want me to take? Childish irresponsibility? No thanks

 

[Cooky]

Why, i am adult and take responsibility for my actions. What stance do you want me to take? Childish irresponsibility? No thanks

there's no such thing as "childish"... Everyone acts according to their biological chemistry at each stage of their life. Your posts show a lack of scientific understanding.

 

[ChristineM]

there's no such thing as "childish"... Everyone acts according to their biological chemistry at each stage of their life. Your posts show a lack of scientific understanding.

Really? How about the childish stage of life?

And adults often act childishly like having tantrums because they dont want responsibility for their own actions

 

[Cooky]

Really? How about the childish stage of life?

And adults often act childishly like having tantrums because they dont want responsibility for their own actions

it seems like your shaming childishness, when it's a natural occurring biological stage. You shouldn't denigrate what's natural, it seems illogical.

if someone remains underdeveloped, why would we insult or punish them for it?

...You assume they don't want responsibility for selfish reasons, but chemically, it's just the makeup of their biological neurons based on their experiences and chemistry. To want to punish someone for having different chemistry than you, is very archaic and unintelligent.

 

[ChristineM]

it seems like your shaming childishness, when it's a natural occurring biological stage. You shouldn't denigrate what's natural, it seems illogical.

if someone remains underdeveloped, why would we insult or punish them for it?

...You assume they don't want responsibility for selfish reasons, but chemically, it's just the makeup of their biological neurons based on their experiences and chemistry. To want to punish someone for having different chemistry than you, is very archaic and unintelligent.

How silly when you know the adults reverting to children because they wont take responsibility for their own actions is an insult to childhood

So you are saying those that won't take responsibility for their own actions are underdeveloped? Ok.

Of course its selfish reasons, why else would someone refuse to take responsibility for their actions?

 

[Cooky]

How silly when you know the adults reverting to children because they wont take responsibility for their own actions is an insult to childhood

So you are saying those that won't take responsibility for their own actions are underdeveloped? Ok.

Of course its selfish reasons, why else would someone refuse to take responsibility for their actions?

There are thousands of reasons another person's chemistry would differ from yours. it could be a memory from childhood, a certain smell, and/or a lifetime of variances that are different, even if just slightly, from yours.

It seems like you're stuck in the Christian religion, or under some other religious influence, where morality issues, such as "selfishness" take precedence over chemistry and biology.

 

[ChristineM]

There are thousands of reasons another person's chemistry would differ from yours. it could be a memory from childhood, a certain smell, and/or a lifetime of variances that are different, even if just slightly, from yours.

It seems like you're stuck in the Christian religion, or under some other religious influence, where morality issues, such as "selfishness" take precedence over chemistry and biology.

Why the straw man? Responsibility only needs one reason, care for other human beings.

 

[Cooky]

If people want to take the moral pathway over science, because Muslims whine and cry about their poor prophet being humiliated as a child molester, or because he is considered by historians to be a savage war monger, then please rethink it, and keep your morality to yourself and maintain secularism through the separation of church and state.

If you want to say some language is "mean", then provide the scientific theory that proves it, otherwise keep your morality it out of law.

What we punish is violence. Not blasphemy.