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[JustGeorge]

...But that word makes no sense in America! We're already united.

.... we are?

 

[Father Heathen]

bro, you're just following European talking points. In Europe, dictators always rise from the right, because the right there is pro-big government... That's why they don't understand that our right is the total opposite -- our right is for limited government. It just can't make sense that a dictator would rise from the right here. It could only be the left in this environment.

...They don't seem to comprehend that, which is why they mistakenly accuse Trump of authoritarianism and call him a dictator, because that's what makes sense in their world.

it's fear mongering saying that Trump is defying the democratic process when all he's trying to do is get an accurate count of votes. Seriously, the Europeans have infected the American left with nonsense.

I even know where to begin with this multilayered turd.

 

[Cooky]

.... we are?

well, we are called the United States of America, and we have a federal government, that won't allow a single member to secede... ever.

 

[ChristineM]

really

...Was that the first name that came to mind? Reminds me of the Christmas story right before Ralphy gets his mouth washed out with soap.

Dont you even remember what you wrote? See post #15

Other examples include the use of the word "nationalist". A term that makes no sense In the United States, but makes total sense in Europe where many tiny countries live interdependently with each other...

 

[ChristineM]

Ah, yes. The media does that to rattle the cages and excite the public. It's a money making scheme to lure readers and gain profits by using lots of rhetoric which attracts interest.

In reality, he's asking for recounts, and getting mostly denied. There will be no options left soon, and he will have to leave.

Jeez, are you really so gullible?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The American left needs to stop following in the footsteps of western Europe... For obvious reasons.

Those poor Western Europeans and their lower crime, higher quality of life, longer life spans, better education and literacy, better healthcare, etc. Criticism from the 3rd World Country with a Gucchi Bag probably doesn't land as hard as Americans want it to.

 

[JustGeorge]

well, we are called the United States of America, and we have a federal government, that won't allow a single member to secede... ever.

Ah, federally united.

I think that's about all the deeper unity goes here.

 

[Cooky]

Dont you even remember what you wrote? See post #15

Ok, I'll respond to this and then your other request after.

what I meant by this was that "nationalism", as a dirty word, is a European thing. We're a nation, yes. But "nationalism" isn't something that makes sense in a huge swath of land like the US. It's not something we need to be concerned with since we have many resources, and could even become totally self sufficient and independent if we really wanted to... Unlike tiny little European countries, who need each other to survive, because they're so small.

of course we don't want to disassociate because there's too much fun in dabbling with the rest of the world, but we certainly don't need to fear running out of resources, so another's nationalism doesn't hurt us. The word isn't our problem.

 

[Father Heathen]

Not me who is ranting for freedom without responsibility for that freedom, that is you

Of course with freedom comes responsibility, but that doesn't justify the use of censorship as a salve for butthurt. If someone considers my views and words offensive, why should that concern me?

 

[ChristineM]

Ok, I'll respond to this and then your other request after.

what I meant by this was that "nationalism", as a dirty word, is a European thing. We're a nation, yes. But "nationalism" isn't something that makes sense in a huge swath of land like the US. It's not something we need to be concerned with since we have many resources, and could even become totally self sufficient and independent if we really wanted to.

of course we don't want to, because there's too much fun in dabbling with the rest of the world, but we certainly don't need to fear running out of resources, so another's nationalism doesn't hurt us.

God bless America

Oath to the flag

Are you not concerned about this nationalism?

 

[Cooky]

So show me the thread and/or post numbers

If you can

Why recap?, you made a claim i don't think you can substantiate

Europeans *predict* that insulting another's religion will result in violence.

Europeans *predict* that Trump will defy the democratic process.

Europeans *predict* that video games lead to violence.

Europeans *predict* that spitting on the sidewalk will get someone sick.

...Etc.

...Lots of counting your chickens before they hatch. Never a good idea, especially when Authoritarianism is the cure.

 

[JustGeorge]

I *predict* this is all going no where...

 

[ChristineM]

Of course with freedom comes responsibility, but that doesn't justify the use of use of censorship as a salve for butthurt. If someone considers my views and words offensive, why should that concern me?

What censorship? Say whatever you want (i certainly do) but hold responsibility for your words. If those words offend then man up to the consequences

 

[Cooky]

God bless America

Oath to the flag

Are you not concerned about this nationalism?

we call it patriotism here.

Nationalism is a European word, and yet, we hear left wing Americans talking about it all the time because the American left is literally in bed with Europe, and is all about everything European.

 

[Father Heathen]

American right is for LESS government, and all about liberty and freedom.

If that were true why does it have a long history of opposing LGBT rights, reproductive rights, cannabis legalization, adult entertainment, casino developments, lifting alcohol sale restrictions, etc. along with a history of trying to make the pledge and prayer compulsory in schools?

 

[ChristineM]

Europeans *predict* that insulting another's religion will result in violence.

Twin towers, Charlie Hebdo. No predictions there, just fact

Europeans *predict* that Trump will defy the democratic process.

Wrong, Europe sees it happening

Europeans *predict* that video games lead to violence.

I think that's an American fear

Europeans *predict* that spitting on the sidewalk will get someone sick.

What?

Where do you get this ****?

 

[JustGeorge]

we call it patriotism here.

What is the difference between patriotism and nationalism?

 

[Cooky]

I *predict* this is all going no where...

You can't base laws on prophesy. At least you shouldn't. people are unpredictable, see the polls from the 2020 election as reference.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I *predict* this is all going no where...

Just like most debates on RF.

 

[Cooky]

What is the difference between patriotism and nationalism?

One is a nasty connotation, and the other is neutral.