Biblical prophecies and statements. Are they about Jesus Christ or Bahaullah?

[TransmutingSoul]

Are you referring to the Holy Spirit? Jesus didnt prepare the way for Mohammad because their teachings contradict each other.

The Holy Spirit, yes. That is what Christ means, 'Annointed One". Annointed of the Spirit that is the Messenger of God.

I see the Quran is a Newer Testament than the Gospel according to Jesus Christ and compliments both the Old and the New Testaments.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Are you talking about the Great Awakening? Changes in denomination doesn't have to do with Jesus Christ's second coming. Millerites Await End of the World

I see the awakening was a result of the return of Christ as promised in 1844. William Miller got the year correct, the Day and hour stillnot known, but what were they looking for? They were looking for a material Jesus to step off a material cloud.

That people could not see Christ upon the clouds, is because doctrines had become the clouds that blinded the spiritual eyes.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That sounds like the Antichrist pretending to be Jesus. Jesus said that many false Christs will arise and deceive many. That is why just because the bibical prophecies might sound like they refer to bahaullah, doesn't mean that they refer to him. They refer to Jesus. The Bible talks about the Antichrist copying God. The Bible talks about false prophets, and the Antichrist copying God.

Yes the Bible tells us to beware on False Christs but also shows how to find the True Christ.

Have you applied those tests?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Hello Tony!
How ya goin'?

Thing is, I never did hang my hat on anybody's prophecies, and so any long drawn out details of these .... impress me not at all.

Now I do take interest in some Spiritualists, and some Healers and clairvoyants can be amazing.... but I'll leave you to listen to prophecies.

All good OB, as I hope your and yours are. Personally I did not need the Prophecy.

To meit was a bonus on the cake!

I tire quickly with this back and fro on prophecy, yes a waste of time is applicable.

Regards Tony

 

[Skywalker]

Yes the Bible tells us to beware on False Christs but also shows how to find the True Christ.

Have you applied those tests?

Regards Tony

Mohammed didn't believe that Jesus is the Creator and the Savior. He said that Jesus was the Messiah in a vague sense without the true meaning of Jesus being the Advocate Redeemer and Mediator.

 

[Skywalker]

The Holy Spirit, yes. That is what Christ means, 'Annointed One". Annointed of the Spirit that is the Messenger of God.

I see the Quran is a Newer Testament than the Gospel according to Jesus Christ and compliments both the Old and the New Testaments.

Regards Tony

The Quran has many of the same characters that are in the Bible but it contradicts the Bible by adding and subtracting to God's word. The Quran says that Jesus Christ was never crucified.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Mohammed didn't believe that Jesus is the Creator and the Savior. He said that Jesus was the Messiah in a vague sense without the true meaning of Jesus being the Advocate Redeemer and Mediator.

The Quran speaks highly of Jesus and Mary,

(3:45) And when the angels said: 'O Mary! Allah gives you the glad tidings of a command from Him: his name shall be Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary. He shall be highly honoured in this world and in the Next, and shall be one of those near stationed to Allah.

(3:46) And he shall speak to men in the cradle and also later when he grows to maturity and shall indeed be among the righteous.'

(3:47) She said: 'O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has ever touched me?' The angel answered: Thus shall it be. Allah creates whatever He wills. When He decides something, He merely says: "Be" and it is.

(3:48) And He will teach him the Book, the Wisdom, the Torah, the Gospel,

(3:49) and he will be a Messenger to the Children of Israel.' (And when he came to them he said): 'I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. I will make for you from clay the likeness of a bird and then I will breathe into it and by the leave of Allah it will become a bird. I will also heal the blind and the leper, and by the leave of Allah bring the dead to life. I will also inform you of what things you eat and what you treasure up in your houses. Surely this is a sign for you if you are true believ-ers.

I see God gave Muhammad a Message, so to me you are saying God does know what God is talking about.

That's not how I see it.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The Quran has many of the same characters that are in the Bible but it contradicts the Bible by adding and subtracting to God's word. The Quran says that Jesus Christ was never crucified.

I see you can not kill or Crucify Christ, who was the true reality of Jesus in the flesh.

The Spirit gives life.

They thought they had, the Quran said they had not. As it is a Message from God, God is telling us they did no Kill Christ and the Message from Muhammad is that proof.

The Quran is correct.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

Are you referring to the Holy Spirit? Jesus didnt prepare the way for Mohammad because their teachings contradict each other.

Wow, everyone says something different. Christians have Jesus saying he must go away so the Holy Spirit, the comforter, can come and be in the apostles and the rest of those that believe in him. Baha'is have the Holy Spirit as the true Christ spirit inside of Jesus and every other person they call a manifestation. And, of course, the promise of the comforter is made into a prophecy about Baha'u'llah and not about the Holy Spirit coming on Pentecost.

 

[Skywalker]

I see you can not kill or Crucify Christ, who was the true reality of Jesus in the flesh.

The Spirit gives life.

They thought they had, the Quran said they had not. As it is a Message from God, God is telling us they did no Kill Christ and the Message from Muhammad is that proof.

The Quran is correct.

Regards Tony

Show me anywhere in the Koran where it says God cannot come down as a person. God can do whatever he wants.

 

[Skywalker]

The Quran speaks highly of Jesus and Mary,

(3:45) And when the angels said: 'O Mary! Allah gives you the glad tidings of a command from Him: his name shall be Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary. He shall be highly honoured in this world and in the Next, and shall be one of those near stationed to Allah.

(3:46) And he shall speak to men in the cradle and also later when he grows to maturity and shall indeed be among the righteous.'

(3:47) She said: 'O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has ever touched me?' The angel answered: Thus shall it be. Allah creates whatever He wills. When He decides something, He merely says: "Be" and it is.

(3:48) And He will teach him the Book, the Wisdom, the Torah, the Gospel,

(3:49) and he will be a Messenger to the Children of Israel.' (And when he came to them he said): 'I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. I will make for you from clay the likeness of a bird and then I will breathe into it and by the leave of Allah it will become a bird. I will also heal the blind and the leper, and by the leave of Allah bring the dead to life. I will also inform you of what things you eat and what you treasure up in your houses. Surely this is a sign for you if you are true believ-ers.

I see God gave Muhammad a Message, so to me you are saying God does know what God is talking about.

That's not how I see it.

Regards Tony

More Islamic people name their kids Mohammed than they do Jesus.

 

[CG Didymus]

So you dont believe in the belief of the Ressurection of the dead?

Personally, I almost agree with the Baha'is. To believe God is going to piece back together people that have long since turned to dust doesn't sound likely. But, if people have a spirit/soul and God gives them a new "glorified" body, that sounds more likely. But people like Lazarus didn't seem to come back in a glorified body. Jesus yes. But if he got a new "glorified" body how much is really left, or needed or the old body?

 

[Skywalker]

Wow, everyone says something different. Christians have Jesus saying he must go away so the Holy Spirit, the comforter, can come and be in the apostles and the rest of those that believe in him. Baha'is have the Holy Spirit as the true Christ spirit inside of Jesus and every other person they call a manifestation. And, of course, the promise of the comforter is made into a prophecy about Baha'u'llah and not about the Holy Spirit coming on Pentecost.

I was explaining why I don't think Mohammed is predicted in the Bible.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Show me anywhere in the Koran where it says God cannot come down as a person. God can do whatever he wants.

Mostly people want God to do what they want God to do.

7:187 is worth considering

"They ask thee about the (final) Hour - when will be its appointed time? Say: "The knowledge thereof is with my Lord (alone): None but He can reveal as to when it will occur. Heavy were its burden through the heavens and the earth. Only, all of a sudden will it come to you." They ask thee as if thou Wert eager in search thereof: Say: "The knowledge thereof is with Allah (alone), but most men know not."

God does as God Wills is correct. It is God that sends the Messengers and all we can know of God.

Regards Tony

 

[Skywalker]

Mostly people want God to do what they want God to do.

7:187 is worth considering

"They ask thee about the (final) Hour - when will be its appointed time? Say: "The knowledge thereof is with my Lord (alone): None but He can reveal as to when it will occur. Heavy were its burden through the heavens and the earth. Only, all of a sudden will it come to you." They ask thee as if thou Wert eager in search thereof: Say: "The knowledge thereof is with Allah (alone), but most men know not."

God does as God Wills is correct. It is God that sends the Messengers and all we can know of God.

Regards Tony

The Jews didn't want a Savior they wanted a political Messiah. The Jews met Jesus and rejected Him.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The Jews didn't want a Savior they wanted a political Messiah. The Jews met Jesus and rejected Him.

It can likewise be said that the Christians want a Christ of their own making and have rejected, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

There is no reason that is not just as valid.

Regards Tony

 

[Skywalker]

It can likewise be said that the Christians want a Christ of their own making and have rejected, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

There is no reason that is not just as valid.

Regards Tony

Jesus lived a peaceful life.

 

[Skywalker]

It can likewise be said that the Christians want a Christ of their own making and have rejected, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

There is no reason that is not just as valid.

Regards Tony

The cross coming out of the tomb and talking in the gospel of Peter is outlandish. Gnostic beliefs, similarly to Islam, want a Christ of their own making.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Jesus lived a peaceful life.

Muhammad also wanted peace, but Muhammad's mission was to unite bloodthirsty tribes into a great Nation and men had different ideas.

Islam became a great Nation and back in time had 7 kingdoms with 10 rulers that also came to worship the One God in the Holy Land and were its custodians until The Bab and Baha'u'llah brought God's rule back to Mankind and all the Jews were invited back, starting, amazingly in 1844 with the Edict of Toleration.

The Law now goes out from Zion, the hills and lands rejoice in the Glory of the Lord.

What a great day we live in. What a great day to be alive.

You do know there is never ending material we can use to show Baha'u'llah is as claimed, at the same time I see it is very easy just to let it go past and not consider what is being offered, the quandary of this life.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The cross coming out of the tomb and talking in the gospel of Peter is outlandish. Gnostic beliefs, similarly to Islam, want a Christ of their own making.

I wish you well and happy in your thoughts.

Regards Tony