I don't support feminist movements

[PoetPhilosopher]

I might have liked old style feminists if what @Stevicus is saying is accurate. I'm not a far righter after all.

 

[ReluctantMathematician]

I agree. If you mean that to include gender identity as well. We might agree there.

Everyone's gender is a "gender identity".

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Reread my post.

The Crux of MeToo: Survivors should not be mistreated or have their reputations destroyed for coming forward with an accusation. They should not need to suffer in silence.
This does not contradict the fact that the law considers people innocent before proven guilty.

Whether the public chooses to believe the accuser or not, they have the right to share their story.

If someone you care about tells you they've been assaulted, are you going to respond insensitively by yelling 'innocent until proven guilty' in their face and disavowing them?
Because that's the social reality for many survivors.

Since I have a soul and hold myself to standards, it's possible there may be a middle grounds here:

I should really change future opinions to say...

"The MeToo movement might do some good. However, from what I'm seeing, society doesn't always know the proper way to respond to it yet."

 

[ChristineM]

I've decided I don't really support the feminist movement to the extent of being a strong advocate of it. They've done some good things. But things like the #MeToo movement which is often promoted by the feminists I've seen, have done an equal amount of destruction and good, and a lot of feminists are TERFs which can be harmful to me as a transgender person. I'm not completely against women speaking out in #MeToo, I just want there to be proof before destroying another person's reputation. And remember, #MeToo supporters can have allegations against them too, as well as feminists.

Modern feminism is more about equality than leadership. I am all for equality but i dont support it more then speaking out then misogyny rears its ugly head.

What i do support is


Its breast cancer awareness month

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Modern feminism is more about equality than leadership. I am all for equality but i dont support it more then speaking out then misogy rears its ugly head.

What i do support is
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Its breast cancer awareness month

Seems a good cause to support.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I guess it was only a matter of time before how I viewed women's issues rears its head. Maybe it's not often that people are so bold as to create a thread on it, but I'm listening with ears open mostly.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Everyone's gender is a "gender identity".

I'd probably agree.

I wanted to thank you for your posts so far in this thread. And make it clear that I'm not going to air a #MeToo story against you, nor was I upset... I just had my debate hat on and persuasive "Would you..." questions were something I kind of picked up when I was trying to learn debate. I just wanted to make that clear in case what I was doing is misunderstood.

 

[Stevicus]

I might have liked old style feminists if what @Stevicus is saying is accurate. I'm not a far righter after all.

Well, it was a different era. I'm not saying it's a problem with feminism, in and of itself, but perhaps due to other influences which make up a person's worldview. Sometimes it's difficult to pull apart all the ingredients and find out which part gives us the bitter taste.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Well, it was a different era. I'm not saying it's a problem with feminism, in and of itself, but perhaps due to other influences which make up a person's worldview. Sometimes it's difficult to pull apart all the ingredients and find out which part gives us the bitter taste.

I'm struggling some with my moral compass when it comes to complex issues right now, not necessarily simple issues like "do not steal" and "harm no one".... and the reason why I'm in this process of "figuring things out" is that I shifted some of my religious beliefs recently which shifted my worldview a bit out of alignment.

 

[ReluctantMathematician]

I'd probably agree.

I wanted to thank you for your posts so far in this thread. And make it clear that I'm not going to air a #MeToo story against you, nor was I upset... I just had my debate hat on and persuasive "Would you..." questions were something I kind of picked up when I was trying to learn debate. I just wanted to make that clear in case what I was doing is misunderstood.

I never viewed it as anything other than just a debate tactic. Plus you would have looked silly making up stories about some faceless gay man.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I never viewed it as anything other than just a debate tactic. Plus you would have looked silly making up stories about some faceless gay man.

Lol.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The MeToo movement might do some good. However, from what I'm seeing, society doesn't always know the proper way to respond to it yet."

So? Too many women and men are pressured intobsilence and ridiculed if they speak out. She was dressed wrong, or where she shouldn't have been, or shes a **** who wanted it. Men are thought of as weak and less of a man.
That is what the victim gets to go through. The assailants, they get their deeds covered up and socially dismissed as "boys will be boys."
All of this needs to stop, and its a big part of what MeToo is about.

 

[ReluctantMathematician]

Everyone should have the right to tell their side of the story in a safe manner and without fear of repercussions simply for speaking out. And everyone should be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. But it doesn't have to be a national affair and spread all over the news. You need oversight to make sure people are treated fairly but that doesn't mean the press should be selling these stories before all the facts are even known.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I've definitely met good and bad feminists.

Good ones are very cool. Some of them, upon hearing I'm transgender, even know for lack of better words a lot of trans positive fun activities we can do. Like they'll ask me if I want to test out being called "they" or "she" with them.

The bad I've experienced was I used to be a fan of Sheldon Cooper from Big Bang Theory because I thought him funny. I got ridiculed by a few feminists over it because he's apparently an anti-feminist icon in the feminist community. Also I got told by a TERF that "a cis man can never become a woman" and to "get off of a site" because of it.

 

[JustGeorge]

When someone mentions feminism, or that they are a feminist, I generally get uncomfortable. I don't say anything, but I yeah...I don't say anything. I have found that once they find out I am a homemaker, I kinda get pooed on. "Oh, I don't think I could just sit around and do nothing." Sit around and do nothing? Please, watch my kids. The worst was "*eyeroll* My exhusband never wanted to get a job either." Or how about "don't you want to do anything with your life?" Maybe I'm doing exactly what I want to with my life...

There is an exception with older feminists(I assume these are from @Stevicus 's generation. They have either played this role, or watched their mothers do so, and are more familiar what it entails, and thus have more respect for it. They were also more enamored with the idea of women having a choice on what to do with their life, and clearly, I've picked mine. I have never had trouble with older feminists.

My biggest problem with modern feminism is, to me, it seems to present there's only one way to be female, and that is alpha. What if a woman is naturally a soft spoken and gentle individual? Does that make her less equal than her "I am female, hear me roar!" counterpart? Being a kid, I remember only having certain characteristics encouraged, and others were discouraged, and many of what was discouraged were what would have been coined 'feminine traits'(I realize this does not always hold true in all areas of the world). Why can't we just let kids be kids in all their glory?

But, I get it, @KAT-KAT , it does take a lot of courage to say such things... I probably would have been too chicken to bring it up, and even saying what I did... well...if you find a person hiding behind you later, it may be me...

 

[joe1776]

I've decided I don't really support the feminist movement to the extent of being a strong advocate of it. They've done some good things. But things like the #MeToo movement which is often promoted by the feminists I've seen, have done an equal amount of destruction and good, and a lot of feminists are TERFs which can be harmful to me as a transgender person. I'm not completely against women speaking out in #MeToo, I just want there to be proof before destroying another person's reputation. And remember, #MeToo supporters can have allegations against them too, as well as feminists.

I can't think of a worthy cause that can't be screwed up by extremists.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

The kind of woman I consider myself to be is that I would like to do things like clean the house and fix meals. I'm kind of bi so I'm not sure whether my soul mate when I get married for the first time will be man or woman, for absolutely sure. If it's a woman, I would really like to do things like go shopping with them. And get our nails done. I can see that being fun. If it's a man, they probably will feel a bit nagged by me sometimes I'm so much the steretypical woman.

Personally I'd like to marry a girly girl some day.

I thought I'd say that since people are starting to talk about themselves and how they fit in.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The bad I've experienced was I used to be a fan of Sheldon Cooper from Big Bang Theory because I thought him funny. I got ridiculed by a few feminists over it because he's apparently an anti-feminist icon in the feminist community.

I've heard people complain about American History X is a "bad movie" because apparently racists use points made by Derick in that movie (I think, rather more likely, it's assumed by the PC Libs that racists can't be educated, logical, and intelligent), and somehow they look up to him even though Derick gives all that up and his little brother is murdered after getting involved in it. They also say Silence of the Lamb is a bad movie because it's a negative portrayal of transgender people, despite the fact Buffalo Bill is based on a few serial killers including Ed Gein and it being explicitly stated in the both the book and movie that Jame is not transgender.
(as for Sheldon, I strongly dislike him and dislike the writers of the character more for decided his quirks and odd behaviors are due to Aspergers)

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I've heard people complain about American History X is a "bad movie" because apparently racists use points made by Derick in that movie (I think, rather more likely, it's assumed by the PC Libs that racists can't be educated, logical, and intelligent), and somehow they look up to him even though Derick gives all that up and his little brother is murdered after getting involved in it. They also say Silence of the Lamb is a bad movie because it's a negative portrayal of transgender people, despite the fact Buffalo Bill is based on a few serial killers including Ed Gein and it being explicitly stated in the both the book and movie that Jame is not transgender.
(as for Sheldon, I strongly dislike him and dislike the writers of the character more for decided his quirks and odd behaviors are due to Aspergers)

Some of Sheldon's problems were more similar to mine when I had got diagnosed with schizophrenia and before I made a pretty remarkable improvement. That disassociation with the world for example.

 

[PureX]

Let's say one out of every ten allegations women make about being sexually abused by men is false. Are you saying, then, that the other nine ought to keep their mouths shut unless they can 'prove' (to who's satisfaction?) that what happened to them really happened? Because that strikes me as being horrendously biased, grossly unfair, and bizarrely unreasonable.