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Do the numerous mistakes in the Bible play a part in driving people away from religion?
- Thread starter Piculet
- Start date
Consider much of the Qur'an is adapted from the bible.
However i don't think its its books, what is turning people off religion is
a/ freedom of information
b/ some few religious people
However i don't think its its books, what is turning people off religion is
a/ freedom of information
b/ some few religious people
King Phenomenon
Well-Known Member
spiritual books are good for introduction to a a spiritual path and nothing more. One benefits more greatly through seeking deeper truths in reality.
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Some do. Some are driven towards other religions. I've heard of many Christians who have left Christianity for Judaism because the NT didn't make sense in light of the Tanach. Flaws in this case are solely in the NT portion of the Bible. There are also those that go the completely different religions, like eastern ones.
The Bible is not flawed, only the myriad interpretations of it. (That would include many translations of it, since they are written in a way that tend to support skewed interpretations,)
But that’s not the Bible’s fault.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Only the most extreme Christians insist that the bible is without error. These folks won't listen to, let alone hear of any examples.
But most Christians and other folks accept that the bible was written by hundreds of authors and that human perceptions can differ.
So........ No, biblical errors don't turn many away, but other factors such as 'losing belief'.
this is getting personal. This is not fair. Of course I listen to your examples. I just don't agree with you. I kindly stay with my opinion: no flaws in the Bible.
That the Bible is without error is in the creed of many most ancient Christianities; I'd hardly call it 'extreme'.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
That's just totally untrue.
You were not mentioned in my post!
My opinions and beliefs are as fair as yours, Thomas.
You don't get it but you are the member who made this personal, now.
Oh please!
When a difficult question is asked, most extreme Christians just do not reply.
Do you want an example? An example is not a challenge, Thomas.
Did Jesus take his last supper on the first day of the passover? YES/NO
Did Jesus get convicted and executed on the first day of the passover? YES/NO
Clues:
John {18:28}
Mark {14:12}
Which is right, and which wrong?
It's OK...... you don't have to come back on that.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Example?
Creeds are not so very long, so would you quote, say, the Catholic Creed?
You might like to try my question in post 11. I'd love to know whether Jesus ate the passover on the first day of passover, or the day BEFORE the first day of Passover. Which is right, John or Mark and t'others?
Progressive and Revisionist Churches are moving far away from from the Extreme Churches. There are Gay priests, Female Bishops, Gay marriages and more. These churches are keeping larger congregations around here.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I looked up the Nicene and Catholic Creeds myself.
Please highlight where these tell of a bible without error.
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father; God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God; begotten not made, one in being with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven. By the power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again, in fulfillment of the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets. We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Or:
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father; God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God; begotten not made, one in being with the Father.
By creed I meant normative beliefs held by most Christians according to their traditions. I can't think of an ancient Church that has claimed scripture can be in error. Do you think the Christians who were alive in the second century and afterwards (when all what would become Christians scared writings had been written) did not believe the Tanakh and works of Paul and others were correct? If so, why include them in what they called scriptures? Why quote them in prophecies in the gospels? Why have a vote on which books to include and which not, if they thought the ones they included were incorrect//infallible? Do you think they were wrong?
I am not justifying the errors in the NT, I am playing devil's advocate. Of course I believe there are errors.
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Piculet
Active Member
Are you referring to the theory of thousands of metaphors in the Bible?
That's something you'd have to tell yourself if the only "spiritual book" you have is the Bible.
I doubt this matters. When people learn about the Bible, even if they accept that it may have errors in it, it is the absurdity of it that makes them scoff at it.
I agree though that simple disbelief in God probably does not originate from the errors in the Bible, but I asked about the assumption that religion was false. I suspect that since the majority of the people are rather uneducated about religion in general, when they feel their religion doesn't make sense, they assume no religion makes sense.
How many people who reject Christianity, actively or passively, have actually looked around if there is some better religion out there? I dare say, by far the majority never even think of it.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
OK.... so when you told me that :-
That the Bible is without error is in the creed of many most ancient Christianities........
....... you didn't mean that. You meant something else.
When I write 'Creed' I mean 'Creed'.
Yes.
And so, clearly, do the Revisionist and Progressive Churches.
OK....... You do believe that there are errors.
.....and my first post said clearly that only 'Extreme Christians' insist that the bible is without error.
So you are in contentious agreement with me? Is that it?
I am in agreement with you that the Christian writings contain errors because I am not a Christian, but most Christians are not going to accept that and certainly not the people who put the Bible together. The Catholic Doctrine and Anglican Articles of Faith say that scripture is sufficient for salvation. I find it hard to believe that they could think G-d could write a book necessary for one's eternal welfare yet not keep His story straight or get His facts right.OK.... so when you told me that :-
That the Bible is without error is in the creed of many most ancient Christianities........
....... you didn't mean that. You meant something else.
When I write 'Creed' I mean 'Creed'.
Yes.
And so, clearly, do the Revisionist and Progressive Churches.
OK....... You do believe that there are errors.
.....and my first post said clearly that only 'Extreme Christians' insist that the bible is without error.
So you are in contentious agreement with me? Is that it?
exchemist
Veteran Member
Not the more sensible ones.
The bible is obviously a compendium of writings, put together over hundreds of years by many authors, even if if these writings are thought by believers to be divinely inspired. It is hardly surprising that there are inconsistencies and also variations in style, for instance in the use of metaphor and allegory.
PureX
Veteran Member
No. I think that when people misinterpret the Bible, themselves, and then try to push their misinterpretations on others, these are often rejected. It's not that the "Bible is flawed". It's that people's interpretations are often flawed, and biased, and then misapplied, giving others the impression that it's flawed.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
THere are scores of books in the bible.
It may be a few sentences that cause a Christian to leave the Faith.
Look...... several of my Muslim colleagues were passive Muslims. Most of my colleagues were passive or ex Christians.
A careful study of the gospels shows huge cracks in the statements about any resurrection. Your Prophet PBUH, was clearly aware of that. True?