System 666 Set-up

[dad]

No evidence i see, thanks for your honesty

I'll trust a known bishop of the early church who was familiar with both interpretations and declared one of them in error, thanks. A man who also lived before your fragmented error scroll was ever made!

 

[ChristineM]

I'll trust a known bishop of the early church who was familiar with both interpretations and declared one of them in error, thanks. A man who also lived before your fragmented error scroll was ever made!

Still no evidence then?

 

[dad]

Still no evidence then?

Like we need evidence to support your erroneous scroll? Cut and dry. It was after the number 616 was declared a fraud. The Bishop of Lyon was not anonymous like your scroll. Calling for 'evidence' is hypocritical. Sorry that your claim went up in smoke. That is the danger of debating.
And the truth goes marching on.

 

[InChrist]

He's talking about Revelation. Do you take it literal? It's got beasts and dragons in it.

Granted, the book of Revelation has much symbolism and metaphorical language, but those symbolic words stand for literal things which are more often than not, clarified by the scriptures themselves. The “dragon” is Satan and “beasts” represent humanistic and/or satanically inspired governments.

 

[CG Didymus]

the Book of Revelation is a book of symbols .

Maybe according to you, everything is symbolic, but not according to the scriptures which are about very real life events on this earth, after which follows eternity.

Granted, the book of Revelation has much symbolism and metaphorical language, but those symbolic words stand for literal things which are more often than not, clarified by the scriptures themselves. The “dragon” is Satan and “beasts” represent humanistic and/or satanically inspired governments.

So what in the JW interpretations of something literal do you think they are making symbolic? I don't know much about their beliefs, because when they come a knockin', I usually hide in my room until they go away... unless it's a good lookin' lady JW, then I let them in and talk for hours... but I never remember what we talked about.

 

[ChristineM]

Like we need evidence to support your erroneous scroll? Cut and dry. It was after the number 616 was declared a fraud. The Bishop of Lyon was not anonymous like your scroll. Calling for 'evidence' is hypocritical. Sorry that your claim went up in smoke. That is the danger of debating.
And the truth goes marching on.

Ok so just make it up if you don't need evidence. I have no problem with that. What you believe is up to you.

I showed you factual evidence. You deny that fact is relevant. How typical

Truth : that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.

 

[dad]

Ok so just make it up if you don't need evidence. I have no problem with that. What you believe is up to you.

I showed you factual evidence. You deny that fact is relevant. How typical

Truth : that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.

No one made up that a guy that lived before your scroll fragment was written declared that 616 was in error.
Not sure what concept of 'reality' you harbor deep inside your head.

 

[ChristineM]

No one made up that a guy that lived before your scroll fragment was written declared that 616 was in error.
Not sure what concept of 'reality' you harbor deep inside your head.

So you say with no evidence

I harbor FACTS. Sorry you don't like then

 

[dad]

So you say with no evidence

I harbor FACTS. Sorry you don't like then

Fragmented scrolls written after the fact are not facts. They do exist, yes, but what they say is bunk. Known error.

 

[ChristineM]

Fragmented scrolls written after the fact are not facts. They do exist, yes, but what they say is bunk. Known error.

Still no evidence i see.

 

[dad]

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Still no evidence i see.

We get it. An actual Bishop of an actual town, actually dealing with the issue before your fragmented scroll of unknown authorship existed, said 616 was an error. That is not evidence in your head.

That is of course denial and last Thursdayism. (as well as a violation of the English language and meaning of words)

 

[ChristineM]

We get it. An actual Bishop of an actual town, actually dealing with the issue before your fragmented scroll of unknown authorship existed, said 616 was an error. That is not evidence in your head.

That is of course denial and last Thursdayism. (as well as a violation of the English language and meaning of words)

Same old speel over and over, same old cliches over and over.

The fact is papyrus 115 exists. If you can better that evidence then please do so. Up to now you have completely failed to provide first hand evidence, you have even admitted no such evidence exist so i really don't see your problem. Continually stomping your foot and making false accusations through cliché will not fix your problem.

 

[dad]

Same old speel over and over, same old cliches over and over.

The fact is papyrus 115 exists.

So did the Bishop.

Deny all you like.

 

[ChristineM]

So did the Bishop.

Deny all you like.

Again, can you provide first hand evidence. No.

 

[dad]

Again, can you provide first hand evidence. No.

Sounds like you are doubting that the Bishop said what he is attributed to saying. Denial.

 

[InChrist]

So what in the JW interpretations of something literal do you think they are making symbolic? I don't know much about their beliefs, because when they come a knockin', I usually hide in my room until they go away... unless it's a good lookin' lady JW, then I let them in and talk for hours... but I never remember what we talked about.

A big one is their interpretation of the 144,000. The scriptures are abundantly clear that these are the literal children of Israel, even specifically identifying 12,000 from each tribe. Yet, the JW disregards what the scriptures says and instead apply this to symbolically or allegorically refer to 144,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses that got to go to heaven, while the rest only get a future earthly kingdom. Such interpretation is completely detached from the plain words in Revelation.

Better be careful. They may think you are an easy target if you let pretty women in to talk about their religion.At some point you may be worn down and find yourself swayed.

 

[cataway]

A big one is their interpretation of the 144,000. The scriptures are abundantly clear that these are the literal children of Israel, even specifically identifying 12,000 from each tribe. Yet, the JW disregards what the scriptures says and instead apply this to symbolically or allegorically refer to 144,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses that got to go to heaven, while the rest only get a future earthly kingdom. Such interpretation is completely detached from the plain words in Revelation.

Better be careful. They may think you are an easy target if you let pretty women in to talk about their religion.At some point you may be worn down and find yourself swayed.

and yet you now have to realize you are not one of the children of Israel, hummmm, maybe that kingdom thing they speak of is not as bad as you think it is

 

[CG Didymus]

A big one is their interpretation of the 144,000. The scriptures are abundantly clear that these are the literal children of Israel, even specifically identifying 12,000 from each tribe. Yet, the JW disregards what the scriptures says and instead apply this to symbolically or allegorically refer to 144,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses that got to go to heaven, while the rest only get a future earthly kingdom. Such interpretation is completely detached from the plain words in Revelation.

I don't remember, but didn't they readjust their interpretation once they got more than 144,000 members? But another group, the Baha'is, have their interpretations of all these things and haven't joined in this thread, and they don't take them literally either. So "literal" isn't an important thing for a lot of religious groups. In fact, for them, taking things "literal" becomes a negative thing and a "veil" from seeing the real truth.

Better be careful. They may think you are an easy target if you let pretty women in to talk about their religion. At some point you may be worn down and find yourself swayed.

You're taking me too literal. They usually send older men and woman to my neighborhood. And all I have to do is start a conversation with them and they keep coming back and leaving more literature. So, even when there was an older lady with a younger lady, I wisely blew them off and said I was busy... and went back to watching TV.

 

[mrgio1]

here is good article about this number 666 check it out maybe its interesting for you guys

 

[exchemist]

here is good article about this number 666 check it out maybe its interesting for you guys

No it’s a load of silly woo about ‘vibrations’ and ‘energy’, rolled in with numerology. The sort of tosh I wholeheartedly despise, in fact.