Am I allowed to be a proud white person?

[Valjean]

You're absolutely right. I forgot to add the main part of the example. Here:
Edit:
So if a man from one African tribe demanded to join a different African tribe and they refused, that would be discriminatory?

Of course. That's what discrimination is.
All tribalism is discriminatory. Any time there is an other, there's discrimination. We're all one tribe.

 

[Harel13]

Of course. That's what discrimination is.
All tribalism is discriminatory. Any time there is an other, there's discrimination. We're all one tribe.

One world people, yeah!
Take down all borders! Everyone who disagrees with this is a bigot!

BTW, would you say the same about black pride or lgbtq pride?

 

[SA Huguenot]

If you do it just because they are white, why wouldn't it be called racism? I have some great friends who have more melanin than I do. They are humans with different amount of Melanin.

Me too, I have a lot of Black friends, but their culture is so far removed from mine that I do not get the same experience of socialising as I do when I am with my own people.
So, you are actually saying that I should do my own life short not to enjoy the gathering with people I like to be with, and replace my friends with colored people to demonstrate that I am not Racist?
Since when did socializing with your own people become racist?
What about the Jews, Greeks, Polish, Germans with their folk gatherings, family come togethers, cultural dances and entertainment.
They are all allowed to be Greek, Jewish, german, etc, but if I do that I am a racist?
Come on pal, why do you force not to have me living a free life?

 

[Rival]

Any time there is an other

There's always an other. That's just how how our brains work. It would better for us to accept this and rather than trying to pretend we're all one big happy Earth kin, we can create a favourable atmosphere between groups to facilitate peace and trade.

 

[SA Huguenot]

I think it is fair to label the sentiments in the OP racist. Supporting "apartheid" is a racist sentiment no matter how you go about describing it or attempting to justify it.

However - I think it should be mentioned that it may very well be that the race divide around him has come to a point where there is now "black privilege" in the country he lives within. I have seen documentaries describing this very thing - that darker skinned people in some African countries are given jobs more readily than light-skinned people of the same education/experience - that the system of oppression has been turned on its head - and it now in opposition to what we in the U.S. are used to understanding/dealing-with/accepting.

If anything, it sounds to me as if there is racial bias on BOTH sides in the South Africa being described in the OP. Both sides are paranoid about what the other is doing, and both are actively causing racial tension and advocating for racial divide. If anything, both sides are behaving poorly. Neither is "better" - and yet it sounds as if both sides want to think they are. That's racism, pure and simple.

Do you know that England only removed their racist legislation in 1972?
And the USA in the late 60's.
South africa did so in 1983.
Are the White Afrikaners more racist than the Whites in England or the USA?
What about the Islamic countries that does not allow any foreign person to become a citizen.
Do they have the right to do this, and why dont the USA or even South Africa have this right?
Are one racist when you want to be an aotonomous country with your own nation and culture?

 

[SA Huguenot]

Here's a pretty standard definition of racism from a pretty standard dictionary (Collins):
"Racism is the belief that people of some races are inferior to others, and the behaviour which is the result of this belief. Racism also refers to the aspects of a society which prevent people of some racial groups from having the same privileges and opportunities as people from other races."

Having read and hopefully accepted that to be a reasonable definition of what racism is, why not read your own OP back - and then you should be able to answer your own question.

Tnx, I did.
Then I am not a Racist.

 

[Valjean]

One world people, yeah!
Take down all borders! Everyone who disagrees with this is a bigot!

BTW, would you say the same about black pride or lgbtq pride?

Absolutely!
Pride in an accidental feature is absurd. Pride makes sense only for an achievement, for something accomplished with effort.

 

[Harel13]

Absolutely!
Pride in an accidental feature is absurd. Pride makes sense only for an achievement, for something accomplished with effort.

At least you're consistent.

 

[SA Huguenot]

So if Christians don't want you to live in their neighborhood and enforce that with rules and don't want you to be in their schools and call you "Christ killer", that's OK by you? And if Palestinians don't want you in that land and plan to take over and put you in ghettos, that's OK because they're entitled to their opinion, that's OK by you? And if business owners don't want their employees hanging around Jews, that's also OK by you?

Christians have no problem living amongst Jews, just as Jews does so vice versa.
But I dont force myself in a Jewish community demanding to take part in their rituals or accusing them of being racist when they get together with their Jewish families and friends. They have a right to enjoy their culture.
Anyone refusing to give employment to a Jew for being a Jew, that is racist.
Now, In South Africa we have BEE (Black Economic Empowerment) and Afirmative action.
This is a law where the majority Socialist ANC communist government mposed on the White Afrikaner, where Whites are legally discriminated against in businuss and employment.
No White may get a Government contract if his businuss are not "Black".
A white male may be discriminated against in his carreer and can be retrenched to make way for a Black person.
Our Children are not sellected to study for Doctors, only if they are Black do they get accepted. All Government positions are allocated to Blacks and non Whites.
As evidence, the South African Airways was one of the best in the world when the ANC Socialist Communist Black politicians took over, today it is losing billions a year, and the most corrupt company in SA.
We have 213 Municipalities in SA, and where the ANC Communist Black ANC runs, they are totally bancrupt and corrupt. only 13 municipalities received a clean audit.
Milions are just stolen by Black politicians, and our law can not act on these ********, because they are not police but bribe collectors.
Local municipalities in the spotlight - Corruption Watch
So tell me, do you think I am correct to rather live with my own people, and to govern myself?

 

[SA Huguenot]

Nelson Mandela through injustice was the greatest person to come out of that quagmire of racism imo.

Realy?
Just look at how we all were brainwashed.
Do you know Mandela killed people when he planted bombs, when he imported arms and ammunition, how he taugt the ANC Youth League and Umkonto we Sizwe to kill inocent men women and child with time bombs in banks and public places?
He never had remorse for what he did, and if this was still the Union of AS under brittish rule, they would have hanged him.
Do you know that he was found guilty of treason, and was supposed to be executed? And that "Whites" demanded that he be spared and was given a life sentence?
He never stopped to incite Black people against the Afrikaner.
He hated Christian Missionaries, and constantly had them investigated even for tax audits.
He was a Communist and a Socialist, and all the socilists in the world made him a godly figure.

I never fought Mandela, or any Black person, I fought against Communism and socialism, and I lost the war.
This will happen with the UK and the USA too if you dont open your eyes.

 

[SA Huguenot]

I've had a recent change of heart, inspired by a meme (attached).

Seems like good advice; I think I'll follow it for this thread.

Yes!
I love the guy.
If he was in South Africa in 1830 he would have left shooting no one, and perhaps returned to the Northern US states killing off half the Yanks.

 

[Revoltingest]

You can judge that from a single post?

We're here to opine & speculate.
I use the info I'm given.
My judgement is quite certain, with 50% confidence.

Btw, I observe that many others made their judgments too.
I wonder how confident they are?

 

[SA Huguenot]

Imo in the pursuit of some forms of tribalist collectivism, self-isolation and tradition for tradition's sake make cultures stagnate. Create an inflexibility that eventually leads to its own self-destruction or severe revolutionary movements. You could call noninclusive cultures anti-cultures in that way.
The only constant is change, and the better variety a culture has the better it will adapt to that change. Which is not to say I believe in melting pot or bust. But I do believe in multiculturalism (tempered by Popper's Paradox.)

I think you are wrong.
The Jews are a good example of what you dont know.
4000 years of history and culture, today the most wealthy businussmen, most educated, and most scientificly minded.
This they did not gain by just forsaking their culture, never.
Every Saturday they come together in religion and culture and support each other, making plans for their future generation.
This is not racism at all!
Now why destroy something as beautifull as this for ....lets say....
LBGQ Black Lives matter, and all these terrible undisciplined looters and excuses for human beings.
As an outsider, If I have to decide if the Jews, Greeks, Japanese, Chinese, or any other culture on earth should abolish their culture and take up the socialist stupidity going on in the USA under these ulsta left rubbish who loot and destroy under the name of demonstrating for some black man murdered by a cop, I would say:
Jews, Please remain as you are for 4000 years more.
and Please take over the west to prevent the socialist filth in destroying civilisation.
I would rather choose the Japs to rule the USA than China. Even if the Americans fought for their freedom to preserve democracy.

 

[Harel13]

4000 years of history and culture, today the most wealthy businussmen, most educated, and most scientificly minded.

Aw, shucks...

Jews, Please remain as you are for 4000 years more.

I hope we will.

 

[Rival]

Aw, shucks...

So what about those mathematics and physics degrees Harel?? WHERE ARE THEY???

 

[Harel13]

So what about those mathematics and physics degrees Harel?? WHERE ARE THEY???

 

[Revoltingest]

Tnx, I did.
Then I am not a Racist.

It's too late for denials.
You've been branded.
But hey, so have I.

I wonder how many posters who find us "racist"
would find these sites & people the same?
The 5 Best Black People Dating Sites [2020 Review]
A SINGLE JEWISH DATING SERVICE – Learn how Jewish singles find love

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes!
I love the guy.
If he was in South Africa in 1830 he would have left shooting no one, and perhaps returned to the Northern US states killing off half the Yanks.

The point was lost on you.

That's okay.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

We're here to opine & speculate.
I use the info I'm given.
My judgement is quite certain, with 50% confidence.

Btw, I observe that many others made their judgments too.
I wonder how confident they are?

I'm fairly confident, but you'd have to read my post to see which parts led me to my conclusion.
Still, were I to judge the post non-racist, I couldn't go as far as judging the poster non-racist. One post?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

...For his ancestors? For the people who made the culture he was born and raised by? For the people who gave him his great works of literature, poetry, art, music, clothing, religion, law? For the people who gave him everything he knows? Your culture is like your parent. The Muslims call their Islamic society as a whole the Ummah - the word comes from the root word for 'mother'. Your ancestors who made your culture are your collective parents and grandparents. How can you just trash everything they gave you?

Why do you see culture in such a static and defensive way?
Where is this static, unchanging culture you speak of?