Proof of Islam?

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

You would never be attracted to the Bahai Faith then, given this is what we consider important:

“Though loyal to their respective governments, though imbued with the love of their own country, and anxious to promote at all times, its best interests, the followers of the Bahá’í Faith, nevertheless, viewing mankind as one entity, and profoundly attached to its vital interests, will not hesitate to subordinate every particular interest, be it personal, regional or national, to the over-riding interests of the generality of mankind, knowing full well that in a world of interdependent peoples and nations the advantage of the part is best to be reached by the advantage of the whole, and that no lasting result can be achieved by any of the component parts if the general interests of the entity itself are neglected….” The Promised Day Is Come, vi - vii

No, I do not matter more to me than other people matter to me; in fact other people matter more to me. The very worst thing I can imagine is being selfish -- been there, done that, it was hell even though at the time I did not know I was in hell... It is not always easy to sacrifice things I might want for the sake of others but I try to do it out of principle, because it is a Baha'i teaching. The Evil One He is talking about in this passage is the lower selfish nature of man:

“How high the reward of him that hath not deprived himself of so great a bounty, nor failed to recognize the beauty of his Best-Beloved in this, His new attire.Watch over yourselves, for the Evil One is lying in wait, ready to entrap you. Gird yourselves against his wicked devices, and, led by the light of the name of the All-Seeing God, make your escape from the darkness that surroundeth you. Let your vision be world-embracing, rather than confined to your own self. The Evil One is he that hindereth the rise and obstructeth the spiritual progress of the children of men.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 94

It is also a Christian teaching, as I believe that Satan in these verses represents the lower selfish nature of man that savourest not the things that be of God. Look how similar these verses are to what Baha'u'llah wrote:

Matthew 16:23-26 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Why do you think humanity would be saved by your infinite torture? Why do you think that you would have to sacrifice your eternal life for humanity, as if it is an either/or? It is rather the other way around because the way you attain eternal life is by service to humanity, as Jesus said:

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

It sounds too abstract to me. I believe that everything in my experience is exclusive to the "body of my experience" thus my wanting to see good extends to everything I encounter and may be able to influence towards good and beauty. That means everyone I deal with I want the best for so that I'm not troubled or distressed. Its sort of like tge backdoor version of what you're saying, but different because I also find that life is so temporary that its not worth troubling oneself to death chasing after nasty folks with diseased minds getting better if they just don't want to either, so the philosophy is: "do what you can while you can and do not worry about what you can't" and the Qur'an repeatedly says similarly not to worry yourself over evildoers changing for the better, they won't just do the best you can and keep spreading justice, your good is your reward and their bad is their punishment.

I don't comprehend how I could care much though about vague and unknown people except that I would want a pleasant experience overall which may include pleasant people, who may have to be taught or encouraged to be pleasing. It could also be that this is difficult to think of pragmatically since I don't know many people intimately anyway and I'm generally alone without obligations, care, etc.

I've spent lots of years and prolonged efforts trying to help people though, so that I can enjoy them and their experiences more than I do hearing of suffering or troubles which is not very conducive to my pleasure or the world at large spreading out from such suffering people.

All these things, all religions I think, all morality may come down to one extra t, making morality based on our concepts of mortality and facing the prospects of 100% death for all who we love and ourselves.

We have a very limited life span, finite time and energy, and so we select whatever we think is best at comforting us or representing some hope, otherwise I think its probably pretty distressing if peolle are faced with dying and their loved ones dying with no hope of extension or return and no hope of being reunited to receive the pleasure again of interacting with a deceased loved one.

 

[Trailblazer]

We have a very limited life span, finite time and energy, and so we select whatever we think is best at comforting us or representing some hope, otherwise I think its probably pretty distressing if people are faced with dying and their loved ones dying with no hope of extension or return and no hope of being reunited to receive the pleasure again of interacting with a deceased loved one.

I can understand why you would feel that way, especially if you don't believe there is an afterlife.
So you don't believe in an afterlife?

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I can understand why you would feel that way, especially if you don't believe there is an afterlife.
So you don't believe in an afterlife?

Oh, I do believe in an afterlife, because I believe in the Qur'an and apply to it everything else too. The belief in the afterlife, or more particularly the ressurection, Judgment day, and Paradise and Punishment is like pretty much the whole major point and emphasis of Islam, and the reason to pursue it or interest in it has to do with the truth of a limited lifespan and a desire to extend it beyond death and achieve ongoing pleasure rather than ongoing pain.

I was saying though that religions are largely pursued due to post-mortem interests and that for those who have no hope in an afterlife, then this life might become much more crucial, an end, rather than a means to an end.

This notion, can lead to a disinterest in involving oneself in the fluctuations of the world so far as it doesn't seem to immediately concern our quality of life or those we care about and does not pose an immediate or comprehensible or eventual threat.

So life becomes a temporary playground for extending in order to "make money" but in Allah's bit-coins as well, which we supposedly cash after we return to life and which is based on our conduct, which seems to favor small kindnesses and deeds of charity and helping and does not seem to ask for necessarily highly ambitious deeds or excesses in spending, with a focus on oneself and ones own kind as the first to help and give charity to and then spreading out from there to the community and beyond, all to keep the credits rolling in, chaching, chaching, so that we can make it to paradise and maybe get some fancy bonuses.

I believe in a wholly literal paradise and hell as described in the Qur'an, knowing that this world itself is absurd and that Allah can easily bring about other things effortlessly as well, so I won't be caught off guard by the promises of Allah coming true if they do, but knowing also Allah is free and one never knows anything that is ahead or before them, only Allah knows and does whatever.

An Atheist generally does not believe in and can not have much hope in an afterlife, as they don't believe in any sensible reason for one or any power yet capable of achieving such, though there may be some hope in several theories, most atheists do not seem to believe in an afterlife.

I hope to extend my life because I fear death and facing Judgment, and I do good to make the world better now but also for Judgment Day so that I'm mainly blameless.

That is why I don't care about politics though or get involved with practically any administrative or political manners, I feel as helpless against it as I do the weather, it all appears a worthless game of chance so I don't get involved or feel like its worth wasting life and timr on at all.

Its Hedonism (not the bad kind) which all calculations are based on, to figure out what maximizes life, potential, survival, comfort, ease, enjoyment, and pleasure without detriment and consequences and minimizes the opposite of that, with the best possible goal being the maximum length of pleasure without pain vs the worst possible which is maximum length of pain without pleasure.

Jeff Bezos, it was whispered in my ear, maybe around 150,000 dollars a minute supposedly and will be the world's first trillionaire and is known to be an aggressive avoider of tax paying. Lol. Yeah, that is annoying, and so we, the poor and destitute and down-trodden under the various hoofs of the world, pat each other on the back about a day wherd Bezos might burn in hell and we'll finally be rich in pleasure!

That is to bring to mind that quite often, the followers of certain religions have subtle psychological reasons which prod them towards certain beliefs. For the wealthy, who were also great patrons if religions, it was their mortality and the loss of their life and all their holdings and legacies which tended to concern them. For us destitute people, it was our dream for a better experience and hope in a paradise for those of us who feel helpless and that life is such that we hope there will be something better, and can't work at it through wealth or talent leading to wealtg or intelligence or whatever, so in lacking all things, we grovel and cry before God that we be given the best at some point and lastingly.

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[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Illustrative songs to add an h to:

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[Duncan]

Oh, I do believe in an afterlife, because I believe in the Qur'an and apply to it everything else too. The belief in the afterlife, or more particularly the ressurection, Judgment day, and Paradise and Punishment is like pretty much the whole major point and emphasis of Islam, and the reason to pursue it or interest in it has to do with the truth of a limited lifespan and a desire to extend it beyond death and achieve ongoing pleasure rather than ongoing pain.

I was saying though that religions are largely pursued due to post-mortem interests and that for those who have no hope in an afterlife, then this life might become much more crucial, an end, rather than a means to an end.

This notion, can lead to a disinterest in involving oneself in the fluctuations of the world so far as it doesn't seem to immediately concern our quality of life or those we care about and does not pose an immediate or comprehensible or eventual threat.

So life becomes a temporary playground for extending in order to "make money" but in Allah's bit-coins as well, which we supposedly cash after we return to life and which is based on our conduct, which seems to favor small kindnesses and deeds of charity and helping and does not seem to ask for necessarily highly ambitious deeds or excesses in spending, with a focus on oneself and ones own kind as the first to help and give charity to and then spreading out from there to the community and beyond, all to keep the credits rolling in, chaching, chaching, so that we can make it to paradise and maybe get some fancy bonuses.

I believe in a wholly literal paradise and hell as described in the Qur'an, knowing that this world itself is absurd and that Allah can easily bring about other things effortlessly as well, so I won't be caught off guard by the promises of Allah coming true if they do, but knowing also Allah is free and one never knows anything that is ahead or before them, only Allah knows and does whatever.

An Atheist generally does not believe in and can not have much hope in an afterlife, as they don't believe in any sensible reason for one or any power yet capable of achieving such, though there may be some hope in several theories, most atheists do not seem to believe in an afterlife.

I hope to extend my life because I fear death and facing Judgment, and I do good to make the world better now but also for Judgment Day so that I'm mainly blameless.

That is why I don't care about politics though or get involved with practically any administrative or political manners, I feel as helpless against it as I do the weather, it all appears a worthless game of chance so I don't get involved or feel like its worth wasting life and timr on at all.

Its Hedonism (not the bad kind) which all calculations are based on, to figure out what maximizes life, potential, survival, comfort, ease, enjoyment, and pleasure without detriment and consequences and minimizes the opposite of that, with the best possible goal being the maximum length of pleasure without pain vs the worst possible which is maximum length of pain without pleasure.

Jeff Bezos, it was whispered in my ear, maybe around 150,000 dollars a minute supposedly and will be the world's first trillionaire and is known to be an aggressive avoider of tax paying. Lol. Yeah, that is annoying, and so we, the poor and destitute and down-trodden under the various hoofs of the world, pat each other on the back about a day wherd Bezos might burn in hell and we'll finally be rich in pleasure!

That is to bring to mind that quite often, the followers of certain religions have subtle psychological reasons which prod them towards certain beliefs. For the wealthy, who were also great patrons if religions, it was their mortality and the loss of their life and all their holdings and legacies which tended to concern them. For us destitute people, it was our dream for a better experience and hope in a paradise for those of us who feel helpless and that life is such that we hope there will be something better, and can't work at it through wealth or talent leading to wealtg or intelligence or whatever, so in lacking all things, we grovel and cry before God that we be given the best at some point and lastingly.

ttps://youtu.be/p8SkfeCbbD8

Hello Dagon, I always enjoy reading you, just to be clear your belief is a combination of different beliefs, Is that correct ?

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Hello Dagon, I always enjoy reading you, just to be clear your belief is a combination of different beliefs, Is that correct ?

My religion is Quranic Islam as its basis and as a kind of "Proto-Religion", as that is the best and clearest book and representative available.

The framework is extremely simple. If you read "Two Logics One Miracup(s)" which I can link for you as well, and some other things I linked which are pastebin collections of things I wrote recently, it explains the concept of God I believe in.

At its simplest though, without explanations and justifications given as to why, the belief is as follows:

God is completely Other from the "stuff" or "information" generated moment to moment and eliminated moment to moment by God, we are an experience which is made of "stuff" otherwise which can be called "information" which God generates, but God is "non-information" and is literally "Like Nothing", "Subhan".

God generates in every detail every instance and is unconditioned, meaning God affects but is not affected or effected by anything produced, which is all "within" God, and all the information has no real place or space or substance or dimension which are somewhat illusory factors. (Ocassionalism , Pan En Theism, Berkeleyan Idealism).

God can generate anything, convince anyone of anything, make up a whole history or change it, one moment you could be experiencing an entirely different thing and the next like it never happened and you have a whole long story, just like how in a dream occassionally there may be acknowledged facts and history instantly without question and then you wake up and it turns out that was a dream and you do have legs and didn't lose one years ago.

Gods power is total and absolute, God is the only living thing in a sense with any real and total unobstructed agency. Whatever we experience is entirely produced by God without share or partners, that includes the actions of people evil or good and our reactions to such, this is a point which greatly irritates many people, but comforts others. A human is as living as leaf blowing in the wind, an appearance, generated and detailed by God alone, we can not do anything and we scarcely exist and only exist so long as God generates some instance where we think we do since it says so or we seem to in the experience.

God creates whatever God wills, and there may be experiences and realities generated and eliminated which are nothing at all like any experience known to us. God creates the experiences which are wholly viewed by God as opened or "as is" or "as experienced" which is "as created", meaning all inclusive, every bit of it is information and God is the one accessing it "encompasses all vision but is encompassed by none".

God is the Only Power so is OmniPotent, OmniScient, and OmniPresent, All Encompassing (which is because Allah encompasses in every sense the flat layer of experience we are experiencing and which we are at any moment, behind it on "all sides" even though there are no real dimensions to it, and behind every detail moment to moment of what occurs).

There is simply no such thing as an experience or information produced or present without the presence or knowledge of Allah who is generating it, supporting the moment, controlling every perceived element including every thought involved.

God is not information though, so can never be seen or experienced as "just God" except through information, such as reasoning, activity, a sensation given, which are all "things" and "stuff" and "information".

Wipe it all away and you have Allah alone, who is likened to death, a dreamless sleep, non-information, not blackness or whiteness or dimensions or distances or sizes or borders or space or a vacuum or any form of information whatsoever, having the power to generate, the drive to execute the power, and the choice to do or not to do or what to do which is made up of so much of what is not done, creating the nuanced "shapes" of every unique and singular moment experienced.

You can read about why that is so here:
Two Logics One Miracup(s) - Pastebin.com

Anyway, since God is the only Real (Al-Haqq) Living One, every generated thing might potentially be used to remind oneself of Allah, Allah's qualities, Allah's actions, our relation to Allah, the Reality of things, our Actions through Allah or regarding Allah or the realities imposed upon us, etc. Every moment, all around us, are materials, information which "informs" us regarding Allah. Look here, a shampoo bottle, it says "Zero" on it, and Zero can remind of us Allah and be an epithet of Allah if carefully explained. Just like One also can. I look up, it says Broan. Broan, Brona, Bronagh, whatever, all refer to Moisture, as well as Sorrow. The Qur'an refers to both God's invention of and control and use of Moisture and Wetness as well as Drying (Brona is written on top of a moisture drying air vent), but also as giver of tears and sorrow and sorrows. Now look, that thing was written above me all this time, and we never paid it any mind, as was the Zero and literally thousands upon thousands of things which can all be used to refer back to Allah and meditate upon Allah and remind about Allah.

These are all produced by Allah and refer back to Allah, Allah in a sense is always talking about the only thing there is to talk about who is also doing the "talking", the Speaker, Allah.

Oh, look, another thing. Briogeo.

"
"Brio" is an Italian word that means "vibrant and full of life" "Geo" is a Latin word meaning "of Earth and nature," which represents the pure, yet potent..."

From their website. Another epithet easily related back to thoughts of the Master.

53:43
And that He it is who maketh laugh, and maketh weep

We are surrounded and wholly neglectful in order to survive, but to take out a little time and start remembering and interacting and seeing how there are beautiful things to remember and think about placed everywhere all around you in your experience every moment may bring a sensation of the nearness of Allah who is present even now, even here, even behind these, even behind yours.

So the framework is, there us Only God, God is not information, every nuance of information is generated and eliminated and controlled wholly by God, and everything may potentially be useful as a reminder or reference back to and meditations upon God in some way.

Thus, all material, from Moby Dick to your defecation and icehorse's whinnying or naying is all From Allah:

4:78
Wherever you are, death will overtake you, though you are in lofty towers, and if a benefit comes to them, they say: This is from Allah; and if a misfortune befalls them, they say: This is from yourself. Say: All is from Allah, but what is the matter with these people that they do not make approach to understanding what is told?

Now, since all material is generated by Allah, and all experience and interpretations, that does not mean all such is good or leading to benefit rather than harm, as Allah is the source and cause of all forms of the negative and what is considered "evil" as well:

57:22
No evil occurs in the earth or in yourselves but it is Recorded in a Decree before we bring it into being - Lo! that is easy for Allah -

Scanning all the materials of the world available, it is not difficult to carefully appropriate and re-appropriate all the varieties of references and epithets and useful practices even if one wishes back to referring to The One.

Thus, there are things written of Shiva which are accurate to Allah, and Shiva is the epithet of Allah (Auspicious) as the bringer of good fortune and also the Destroyer which is an action and activity of Allah constantly witnessed even by the elimination of the moment just before, now your hand is there, now your thought is there, your hand is now not as it was but a new generated moment is present and there it goes again and there it is and there it is gone once more and the information is now different.

Allah is the Pan-Theos, all the epithets which were symbolized for the unlettered and misunderstood by folk who separated everything into imaginary units and individuals can carefully be used to refer back to Allah who controls all those attributes, activities, domains, and actions.

The most popular of which, which still repeat secretly today, and throughout much of history, are the 7 Domains, aggregating numerous symbols of reference which can be used as reminders as they somehow frequently appear together in what Allah generates, yet, there is no system, it is simply this:

There is only Allah, Allah produces everything and eliminates it as well, nothing anyone does, thinks, or makes for better or for worse is to their credit but is solely By Allah the author, artist, and creator of all things down to our own feelings and reactions and what appears to us and what seems like "Chance" which again can be an epithet of Allah or reminder in several ways, since you don't stand a Chance without Allah, literally!

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[Tokita]

Hello,

I am interested in finding out why Muslims believe Islam is the right religion, and discussing these points.
Alternatively, non-Muslims who have an idea as to why Muslims have this belief.

There are almost 2 billion Muslims, so there must be a reason they believe, however I have searched many different places and can’t find a reason I can accept.

Any reasons welcome, but especially if anyone has reasons which are more uncommon, as I have looked at the more common ones already.

This is coming from a Christian standpoint.

Thank you.

In order to understand why we have 2B Muslims, one must understand the history of Islam. Just look at the Middle East and see how their religious freedom is applied. Throughout the history of Islam, there had been, and still is massive persecutions of nonbelievers, including the killing of those who attack the religion or speak ill of the Prophet. I am an advocate of studying the Hadith and Quran, and confident that any open-minded individual will see the truth. To better understand my point of view here is a quote from Al-Razi, whom I encourage everyone to read about. this was back in the 9th Century.

Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi quote:
“If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed.”
― Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

So I have a single framework, that there is only God and God generates and animates all experience and everything within it:

67:19
Have they not seen the birds above them spreading out their wings and closing them? Naught upholdeth them save the Beneficent. Lo! He is Seer of all things.

3:19
Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Surrender. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah , then indeed, Allah is swift in account.

BHAGAVAD GITA
18.61-18.71:
The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.
O scion of Bharata, surrender unto Him utterly. By His grace you will attain transcendental peace and the supreme and eternal abode.
Thus I have explained to you the most confidential of all knowledge. Deliberate on this fully, and then do what you wish to do.
Because you are My very dear friend, I am speaking to you the most confidential part of knowledge. Hear this from Me, for it is for your benefit.
Always think of Me and become My devotee. Worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend.
Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.
This confidential knowledge may not be explained to those who are not austere, or devoted, or engaged in devotional service, nor to one who is envious of Me.
For one who explains the supreme secret to the devotees, devotional service is guaranteed, and at the end he will come back to Me.
There is no servant in this world more dear to Me than such, nor will there ever be one more dear.
And I declare that he who studies this sacred conversation worships Me by his intelligence.
And one who listens with faith and without envy becomes free from sinful reaction and attains to the planets where the pious dwell.

TEXT 61
isvarah sarva-bhutanam
hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati
bhramayan sarva-bhutani
yantrarudhani mayaya
isvarah—the Supreme Lord; sarva-bhutanam—of all living entities; hrd-dese—in the location of the heart; arjuna—O Arjuna;tisthati—resides; bhramayan—causing to travel; sarva-bhutani—all living entities;yantra—machine; arudhani—being so placed; mayaya—under the spell of material energy.
The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.

TEXT 62
tam eva saranam gaccha
sarva-bhavena bharata
tat-prasadat param santim
sthanam prapsyasi sasvatam
tam—unto Him; eva—certainly; saranam—surrender; gaccha—go; sarva-bhavena—in all respects; bharata—O son of Bharata; tat-prasadat—by His grace; param—transcendental; santim—peace; sthanam—abode; prapsyasi—you will get; sasvatam—eternal.
O scion of Bharata, surrender unto Him utterly. By His grace you will attain transcendental peace and the supreme and eternal abode.

TEXT 63
iti te jnanam akhyatam
guhyad guhyataram maya
vimrsyaitad asesena
yathecchasi tatha kuru
iti—thus; te—unto you; jnanam—knowledge; akhyatam—described; guhyat—confidential; guhyataram—still more confidential; maya—by Me; vimrsya—by deliberation; etat—that; asesena—fully;yatha—as you; icchasi—you like; tatha—that;kuru—perform.
Thus I have explained to you the most confidential of all knowledge. Deliberate on this fully, and then do what you wish to do.

TEXT 64
sarva-guhyatamam bhuyah
srnu me paramam vacah
isto 'si me drdham iti
tato vaksyami te hitam
sarva-guhyatamam—the most confidential; bhuyah—again; srnu—just hear;me—from Me; paramam—the supreme;vacah—instruction; istah asi—you are very dear to Me; drdham—very; iti—thus; tatah—therefore; vaksyami—speaking; te—for your; hitam—benefit.
Because you are My very dear friend, I am speaking to you the most confidential part of knowledge. Hear this from Me, for it is for your benefit.

TEXT 65
man-mana bhava mad-bhakto
mad-yaji mam namaskuru
mam evaisyasi satyam te
pratijane priyo 'si me
man-manah—thinking of Me; bhava—just become; mat-bhaktah—My devotee;mat-yaji—My worshiper; mam—unto Me;namaskuru—offer your obeisances; mam—unto Me; eva—certainly; esyasi—come;satyam—truly; te—to you; pratijane—I promise; prijah—dear; asi—you are; me—My.
Always think of Me and become My devotee. Worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend.

TEXT 66
sarva-dharman parityajya
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah
sarva-dharman—all varieties of religion;parityajya—abandoning; mam—unto Me;ekam—only; saranam—surrender; vraja—go;aham—I; tvam—you; sarva—all; papebhyah—from sinful reactions; moksayisyami—deliver; ma—not; sucah—worry.
Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.

TEXT 67
idam te natapaskaya
nabhaktaya kadacana
na casusrusave vacyam
na ca mam yo 'bhyasuyati
idam—this; te—you; na—never;atapaskaya—one who is not austere; na—never; abhaktaya—one who is not a devotee; kadacana—at any time; na—never;ca—also; asusrusave—one who is not engaged in devotional service; vacyam—to be spoken; na—never; ca—also; mam—unto Me; yah—anyone; abhyasuyati—envious.
This confidential knowledge may not be explained to those who are not austere, or devoted, or engaged in devotional service, nor to one who is envious of Me.

TEXT 68
ya idam paramam guhyam
mad-bhaktesv abhidhasyati
bhaktim mayi param krtva
mam evaisyaty asamsayah
yah—anyone; idam—this; paramam—most; guhyam—confidential; mat—Mine;bhaktesu—amongst devotees of;abhidhasyati—explains; bhaktim—devotional service; mayi—unto Me; param—transcendental; krtva—having done; mam—unto Me; eva—certainly; esyati—comes;asamsayah—without doubt.
For one who explains the supreme secret to the devotees, devotional service is guaranteed, and at the end he will come back to Me.

TEXT 69
na ca tasman manusyesu
kascin me priya-krttamah
bhavita na ca me tasmad
anyah priyataro bhuvi
na—never; ca—and; tasmat—therefore;manusyesu—among mankind; kascit—anyone; me—My; priya-krttamah—more dear; bhavita—will become; na—no; ca—and;me—My; tasmat—than him; anyah—other;priyatarah—dearer; bhuvi—in this world.
There is no servant in this world more dear to Me than he, nor will there ever be one more dear.

TEXT 70
adhyesyate ca ya imam
dharmyam samvadam avayoh
jnana-yajnena tenaham
istah syam iti me matih
adhyesyate—will study; ca—also; yah—he; imam—this; dharmyam—sacred;samvadam—conversation; avayoh—of ours;jnana—knowledge; yajnena—by sacrifice;tena—by him; aham—I; istah—worshiped;syam—shall be; iti—thus; me—My; matih—opinion.
And I declare that he who studies this sacred conversation worships Me by his intelligence.

TEXT 71
sraddhavan anasuyas ca
srnuyad api yo narah
so 'pi muktah subhal lokan
prapnuyat punya-karmanam
sraddhavan—faithful; anasuyah ca—and not envious; srnuyat—does hear; api—certainly; yah—who; narah—man; sah api—he also; muktah—being liberated; subhan—auspicious; lokan—planets; prapnuyat—attains; punya-karmanam—of the past.
And one who listens with faith and without envy becomes free from sinful reaction and attains to the planets where the pious dwell.

 

[Duncan]

In order to understand why we have 2B Muslims, one must understand the history of Islam. Just look at the Middle East and see how their religious freedom is applied. Throughout the history of Islam, there had been, and still is massive persecutions of nonbelievers, including the killing of those who attack the religion or speak ill of the Prophet. I am an advocate of studying the Hadith and Quran, and confident that any open-minded individual will see the truth. To better understand my point of view here is a quote from Al-Razi, whom I encourage everyone to read about. this was back in the 9th Century.

Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi quote:
“If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed.”
― Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi

Hello Tokita hope you are doing well. so Islam is a religion of violence, is that correct?

 

[Duncan]

My religion is Quranic Islam as its basis and as a kind of "Proto-Religion", as that is the best and clearest book and representative available.

The framework is extremely simple. If you read "Two Logics One Miracup(s)" which I can link for you as well, and some other things I linked which are pastebin collections of things I wrote recently, it explains the concept of God I believe in.

At its simplest though, without explanations and justifications given as to why, the belief is as follows:

God is completely Other from the "stuff" or "information" generated moment to moment and eliminated moment to moment by God, we are an experience which is made of "stuff" otherwise which can be called "information" which God generates, but God is "non-information" and is literally "Like Nothing", "Subhan".

God generates in every detail every instance and is unconditioned, meaning God affects but is not affected or effected by anything produced, which is all "within" God, and all the information has no real place or space or substance or dimension which are somewhat illusory factors. (Ocassionalism , Pan En Theism, Berkeleyan Idealism).

God can generate anything, convince anyone of anything, make up a whole history or change it, one moment you could be experiencing an entirely different thing and the next like it never happened and you have a whole long story, just like how in a dream occassionally there may be acknowledged facts and history instantly without question and then you wake up and it turns out that was a dream and you do have legs and didn't lose one years ago.

Gods power is total and absolute, God is the only living thing in a sense with any real and total unobstructed agency. Whatever we experience is entirely produced by God without share or partners, that includes the actions of people evil or good and our reactions to such, this is a point which greatly irritates many people, but comforts others. A human is as living as leaf blowing in the wind, an appearance, generated and detailed by God alone, we can not do anything and we scarcely exist and only exist so long as God generates some instance where we think we do since it says so or we seem to in the experience.

God creates whatever God wills, and there may be experiences and realities generated and eliminated which are nothing at all like any experience known to us. God creates the experiences which are wholly viewed by God as opened or "as is" or "as experienced" which is "as created", meaning all inclusive, every bit of it is information and God is the one accessing it "encompasses all vision but is encompassed by none".

God is the Only Power so is OmniPotent, OmniScient, and OmniPresent, All Encompassing (which is because Allah encompasses in every sense the flat layer of experience we are experiencing and which we are at any moment, behind it on "all sides" even though there are no real dimensions to it, and behind every detail moment to moment of what occurs).

There is simply no such thing as an experience or information produced or present without the presence or knowledge of Allah who is generating it, supporting the moment, controlling every perceived element including every thought involved.

God is not information though, so can never be seen or experienced as "just God" except through information, such as reasoning, activity, a sensation given, which are all "things" and "stuff" and "information".

Wipe it all away and you have Allah alone, who is likened to death, a dreamless sleep, non-information, not blackness or whiteness or dimensions or distances or sizes or borders or space or a vacuum or any form of information whatsoever, having the power to generate, the drive to execute the power, and the choice to do or not to do or what to do which is made up of so much of what is not done, creating the nuanced "shapes" of every unique and singular moment experienced.

You can read about why that is so here:
Two Logics One Miracup(s) - Pastebin.com

Anyway, since God is the only Real (Al-Haqq) Living One, every generated thing might potentially be used to remind oneself of Allah, Allah's qualities, Allah's actions, our relation to Allah, the Reality of things, our Actions through Allah or regarding Allah or the realities imposed upon us, etc. Every moment, all around us, are materials, information which "informs" us regarding Allah. Look here, a shampoo bottle, it says "Zero" on it, and Zero can remind of us Allah and be an epithet of Allah if carefully explained. Just like One also can. I look up, it says Broan. Broan, Brona, Bronagh, whatever, all refer to Moisture, as well as Sorrow. The Qur'an refers to both God's invention of and control and use of Moisture and Wetness as well as Drying (Brona is written on top of a moisture drying air vent), but also as giver of tears and sorrow and sorrows. Now look, that thing was written above me all this time, and we never paid it any mind, as was the Zero and literally thousands upon thousands of things which can all be used to refer back to Allah and meditate upon Allah and remind about Allah.

These are all produced by Allah and refer back to Allah, Allah in a sense is always talking about the only thing there is to talk about who is also doing the "talking", the Speaker, Allah.

Oh, look, another thing. Briogeo.

"
"Brio" is an Italian word that means "vibrant and full of life" "Geo" is a Latin word meaning "of Earth and nature," which represents the pure, yet potent..."

From their website. Another epithet easily related back to thoughts of the Master.

53:43
And that He it is who maketh laugh, and maketh weep

We are surrounded and wholly neglectful in order to survive, but to take out a little time and start remembering and interacting and seeing how there are beautiful things to remember and think about placed everywhere all around you in your experience every moment may bring a sensation of the nearness of Allah who is present even now, even here, even behind these, even behind yours.

So the framework is, there us Only God, God is not information, every nuance of information is generated and eliminated and controlled wholly by God, and everything may potentially be useful as a reminder or reference back to and meditations upon God in some way.

Thus, all material, from Moby Dick to your defecation and icehorse's whinnying or naying is all From Allah:

4:78
Wherever you are, death will overtake you, though you are in lofty towers, and if a benefit comes to them, they say: This is from Allah; and if a misfortune befalls them, they say: This is from yourself. Say: All is from Allah, but what is the matter with these people that they do not make approach to understanding what is told?

Now, since all material is generated by Allah, and all experience and interpretations, that does not mean all such is good or leading to benefit rather than harm, as Allah is the source and cause of all forms of the negative and what is considered "evil" as well:

57:22
No evil occurs in the earth or in yourselves but it is Recorded in a Decree before we bring it into being - Lo! that is easy for Allah -

Scanning all the materials of the world available, it is not difficult to carefully appropriate and re-appropriate all the varieties of references and epithets and useful practices even if one wishes back to referring to The One.

Thus, there are things written of Shiva which are accurate to Allah, and Shiva is the epithet of Allah (Auspicious) as the bringer of good fortune and also the Destroyer which is an action and activity of Allah constantly witnessed even by the elimination of the moment just before, now your hand is there, now your thought is there, your hand is now not as it was but a new generated moment is present and there it goes again and there it is and there it is gone once more and the information is now different.

Allah is the Pan-Theos, all the epithets which were symbolized for the unlettered and misunderstood by folk who separated everything into imaginary units and individuals can carefully be used to refer back to Allah who controls all those attributes, activities, domains, and actions.

The most popular of which, which still repeat secretly today, and throughout much of history, are the 7 Domains, aggregating numerous symbols of reference which can be used as reminders as they somehow frequently appear together in what Allah generates, yet, there is no system, it is simply this:

There is only Allah, Allah produces everything and eliminates it as well, nothing anyone does, thinks, or makes for better or for worse is to their credit but is solely By Allah the author, artist, and creator of all things down to our own feelings and reactions and what appears to us and what seems like "Chance" which again can be an epithet of Allah or reminder in several ways, since you don't stand a Chance without Allah, literally!

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Intersting and thank you for you time in explaining, So you believe in Allah, his books, what about his prophets and his last prophet?

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

In other words, there is no religion other than The Surrender (the meaning of the term Islam, which can be extended by its various root implications to mean finding peace/healing/relief through acknowledging the state of total surrender/powerlessness to (Al-Haqq, The Truth/Reality which is Allah, the Ultimate, "The", The Definitive, Highest, Greatest, The Over, The Beyond which are implied in the roots of the term as well).

There is no other religion, and so I don't take it as a true "mixing" in actuality, but only making use of things in a certain way.

So when I say Amitabha, it is the same One mentioned in the Qur'an or my explanations. When I say Sukhavati, it is Paradise I refer to. No matter what name I use, I am generally always referring to the same One, if I talk about a Paradise, a Hell, a Judgment of the dead, these are all referring to the same events when I use them.

There is only One Religion. The varieties and differences in understanding have their reasons, and the people who are deeply absorbed in such differences are unlikely to be well-guided but are more likely being led to unfavorable ends potentially.

Allah speaks to them all through everything and all that they experience, and they can not escape the signs or news of the Master, not even the Atheists can stop hearing about God even when they ignore all religions and think of nature or philosophy.

Allah has all the names, all the best names, the best model and concept, whoever calls Allah "Apollo" and refers to the same concept that I do or the Qur'an does, even if they might be more specifically referring to some particular activity like Destruction or Disease bringing, that is still Allah:

"" The inscription, in its entirety, reads:
“Self-born, untaught, born without a mother,
undisturbable,
Unable to be named, many-named, dwelling in fire,
That is God: we are a small part of God, his angels.”
This, then, to those who asked about God’s nature
The god replied, calling him all-seeing Aether: look to him
And pray at dawn, looking to the east.
The same three lines of verse were recorded by Lactantius, who claimed
they were the beginning of a 21-line oracle delivered by Clarian Apollo " "

So I worship God, God who is Odin, God who is Poseidon, God who is Sapan / Zaphan, God who is The One, The Master, The Controller, The Impeller:

"In Tacitus' work Germania from the year 98,regnator omnium deus (god, ruler of all) was a deity worshipped by the Semnones tribe in asacred grove. Comparisons have been made between this reference and the poemHelgakviða Hundingsbana II, recorded in the 13th century from earlier traditional sources.
Due to the resemblance between the two texts, some scholars have identified the deity of the Semnones with an early form of Odin.

"To this grove another sort of reverence is also paid. No one enters it otherwise than bound with ligatures, thence professing his subordination and meanness, and the power of the Deity there. If he falls down, he is not permitted to rise or be raised, but grovels along upon the ground. And of all their superstition, this is the drift and tendency; that from this place the nation drew their original, that here God, the supreme Governor of the world, resides, and that all things else whatsoever are subject to him and bound to obey him. "
"

El, Alu, Allah, Tezcatlipoca, Mitra-Varuna, Shiva, Rudra, Indra, Apollo, Amitabha, Avalokiteshvara, Amun, Vata, Vala, Fafnir, whatever you call The Master and mean to refer to the Controller of Everything, it is the same One as there can only be One (as explained, since Like Nothing or Non-Information has no information or substance or body which can be divided).

"
Beliefs
Aztec philosophy saw the concept ofOmeteotl as a unity that underlies the universe. Ometeotl forms, shapes, and is all things. Even things in opposition—light and dark, life and death—were seen as expressions of the same unity, Ometeotl. The belief in a unity with dualistic expressions compares with similar dialectical monistideas in both Western and Eastern philosophies.[2]


Relation to Aztec religion
Aztec priests had a panentheistic view of religion but the popular Aztec religionmaintained polytheism. Priests saw the different gods as aspects of the singular and transcendent unity of Teotl but the masses were allowed to practice polytheism without understanding the true, unified nature of their Aztec gods.[2]


Moral beliefs and aesthetics
Aztec philosophers focused on morality as establishing balance. The world was seen as constantly shifting with the ever-changingteotl. Morality focused on finding the path to living a balanced life, which would provide stability in the shifting world.[2]

Aztec philosophy saw the arts as a way to express the true nature of teotl.[2] Art was considered to be good if it in some way brought about a better understanding of teotl.[2] Aztec poetry was closely tied to philosophy and often used to express philosophic concepts.[2][3] Below is an example of such a poem, translated from the original Nahuatl:

No one comes on this earth to stay
Our bodies are like rose trees -
They grow petals then wither and die.
But our hearts are like grass in the springtime,
They live on and forever grow green again.
"

Yet, there are those who use these names to refer to other things besides Allah, their concepts and what is given in their minds is wrong:

Romans 1:18-1:32
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,

slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;

they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.

Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Comedy: In other words, people who worship the human form may start to lust after it, and the homosexuality and criminality we see are due to a curse upon people, that their "faculty of reasoning" which across the ancient world was often called the "heart" is made diseased, and from such a diseased place of thinking comes diseased behavior.

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ttps://youtu.be/j5B5IGqyy2s

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Intersting and thank you for you time in explaining, So you believe in Allah, his books, what about his prophets and his last prophet?

I believe in Allah, all the knowledge from Allah, the books of Allah, the Prophets/Messengers of Allah, Muhammed and the Qur'an, All the Signs and Miracles of Allah, the Seen and Unseen, the Angels, Jibra'eel, Ruh'ul'Quddus, all of it, and I perform the "five pillars", and any other pillars, and "listen to everything, and take what is best" as the Qur'an says also.

I am a Muslim, and the framework is Islam, and all the religions and their terms and notions I appropriate if I can devise how and freely acknowledge and use for my own enjoyment and benefit.

Thus, I consider myself a Muslim authentically, but also a True:
Follower of All The Ancient Religions such as that of Ugarit, Greece, Germania, The Americas, China, Japan, Mongolia, All Parts of Africa
Vedic Aryan
Mahayana Buddhist
Hindu
Vaisnavite
Saivite
Zoroastrian
Yahudi (Jew)
Nassara/Nazarene (Christian)
Gnostic
Sikh
Free Mason
Satanist

The Pantheons are converted to "Names/Epithets/References" of One Power, Whatever is Ultimate, just like all the famous "Names of Allah", the "Epithet Lists" like those of Ahura Mazda and Shiva and Vishnu and Odin or anything else at all are used to refer to The One and Attributes and Aspects and Actions of the One.

All anthropomorphic literalism is eliminated.

As much as anything can be incorporated from anything to the most mundane media to various scriptures or random overheard conversations or sights and sounds are taken and used if they can be to refer back to and be tacked on to this one framework that God is One, Producing All Experiences, Make The Best Of It If You Can When You Can.

Of course, each sect would have partisans ready to bark denials that I am "truly" "anything" and I suppose i a sense, their words taken mystically, can be made to be true, and I expect they will also most likely roast in hell, as they are to me lowly and ill in their understandings of anything. I don't pity them, but eagerly hope i their suffering and destruction, because I despise people who interfere with me or my religion or try to make issues. My curse is on them, and many of them do drop dead even in their youth not long after interfering with me, which is always pleasing, since I hate injustice surviving even for a little while, though it gives an opportunity and acts as a catalyst to produce good things.

Thus, I'm a Malicious Pop-Eye Sorcerous Mystic to boot, and in the minds of some perhaps an "Arch-Heretic", for no reason other than that I say Allah or God is One, there is No Other but The One Power (TOP), All That Occurs to You is From Allah, you and I alike have no Power, the Only Power is Allah or God.

I've been attacked, harassed, sent death threats, been hacked, spied on, hunted, relentlessly stalked and bullied, all for my religion, which manages to be Universally Despised due to its encompassing nature and most particularly the notion that Allah or God alone is the Power and controlling everything, which ticks people off so much and is a great proving test of the hearts. They love to say instead or imply "Things can go this way or that we, God looks to Chance as determiner, we decide and do and God chases after what we decide, like a servant rolling out a carpet before us", may they perish! This is their implication and idea underlying their corrupt beliefs, and it is widely shared among a great many humans, who may someday fill hell, or perhaps be forgiven, God decides, but I hate their guts, no matter what religion they hide in, they are my natural enemies.

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[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Disputing over pedantic nuances and attempting to create mutual strife and dissension over every little thing, is a way that some ill-mannered and frustrated, and "envious" as the Qur'an and Bhagavad Gita both call them, types of people try to turn people away from religion and worship. They are accursed enemies of God and the good people, and they are set up everywhere like planks and poles in a pinball machine.

They serve a purpose and perform their villainous duty perfectly as generally unwitting agents of God/The Contoller of Both what we call Good and what we consider Evil.

Where they are not to be found, generally there is more of a sense of peace, and wherever they emerge, there is hostility, conflict, and various forms of war.

They exist and are made to be disputed with and against and fought, and the clashing against them creates the virtuous music of the truth uttered and the praise of God produced in response to their lies, like varying notes, as well as lyrics, in a song.

ttps://youtu.be/JOBTFfHJjV8

2:148
And each one hath a goal toward which he turneth; so vie with one another in good works. Wheresoever ye may be, Allah will bring you all together. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.

5:48
And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.

 

[Trailblazer]

Oh, I do believe in an afterlife, because I believe in the Qur'an and apply to it everything else too. The belief in the afterlife, or more particularly the resurrection, Judgment day, and Paradise and Punishment is like pretty much the whole major point and emphasis of Islam, and the reason to pursue it or interest in it has to do with the truth of a limited lifespan and a desire to extend it beyond death and achieve ongoing pleasure rather than ongoing pain.

I believe in a wholly literal paradise and hell as described in the Qur'an, knowing that this world itself is absurd and that Allah can easily bring about other things effortlessly as well, so I won't be caught off guard by the promises of Allah coming true if they do, but knowing also Allah is free and one never knows anything that is ahead or before them, only Allah knows and does whatever.

So, do you believe in the Qur'an version of the afterlife because it trumps other religious beliefs about the afterlife? Can you explain in a nutshell what you believe about the resurrection, Judgment day, and Paradise and Punishment? What does the Qur’an say about that? What is Judgment Day? Does the Qur’an say people will rise from their graves on Judgment Day? Is there such a concept as being saved as there is in Christianity? Do believers have to believe in Muhammad in order to be saved? Do people have to believe in God in order to get to paradise?

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

So, do you believe in the Qur'an version of the afterlife because it trumps other religious beliefs about the afterlife? Can you explain in a nutshell what you believe about the resurrection, Judgment day, and Paradise and Punishment? What does the Qur’an say about that? What is Judgment Day? Does the Qur’an say people will rise from their graves on Judgment Day? Is there such a concept as being saved as there is in Christianity? Do believers have to believe in Muhammad in order to be saved? Do people have to believe in God in order to get to paradise?

7. " So, do you believe in the Qur'an version of the afterlife because it trumps other religious beliefs about the afterlife?"

Yes.

0. "Can you explain in a nutshell what you believe about the A. resurrection, B. Judgment day, and C. Paradise and D. Punishment?"

Yes.

1. "What does the Qur’an say about that?"

2. "What is Judgment Day?"

3. "Does the Qur’an say people will rise from their graves on Judgment Day?"

Yes.

4. "Is there such a concept as being saved as there is in Christianity?"

5. "Do believers have to believe in Muhammad in order to be saved?"

No.

6. "Do people have to believe in God in order to get to paradise?"

Yes/No.

0A. A person dies, when they die they are said to be "returned to Allah" becoming "Like Nothing" in a dreamless "sleep" or "non-existence, non-information, like before they were born or alive or experiencing anything in any way. The Qur'an compares death to the state of non-existence before existence. The Qur'an indicates Allah is in a sense like death itself, as both are a total void or Subhan, when a person is made one with Allah again or "returned" in that sense, they are annhilated and cease to exist in any sense.

Non-experience can not be experienced in any way as there is no experience or information or anything to process or even your own sense of presence to process it.

Thus, it can not be experienced or perceived, and so is entirely "skipped" from your perspective, like a dreamless sleep, which means just like how you might sleep and forget your dreams and wake up the next moment and its been hours later though it was one experience and all the time in between was not perceived or was skipped and then you woke up and you see the time and you've apparently slept for hours.

The Qur'an details this sensation and perception as what it feels like to be brought back to life, you are experiencing then all the time you are not experiencing you are immediately jumped to your next experience however long it may be in all probability and time or whatever else.

You do not have anything which is permanent or independent, Allah alone sustains whatever it is you think you are, and takes your life and consciousness and brings it back again just like "you didn't exist before, and then your experience of being you was generated and you lived, so too will you die, and cease to Be, and be brought back".

Where and when you will be brought back is after the complete annhilation of this Universe due to the collapse "rolling up like a scroll written" which may already be in progress "as they look on" at the impression of its expansion. By the time the collapse or compression is perceived, its far too late to do anything about it, but it will catch them off guard, just like they look upon the lights of stars long dead.

When the compression occurs, a terrifying sound or vibration, as matter is held together by such tunes, will atomize everything, and that is the end of all things, #Fin!

Then, when the Master wills, a New Universe will be unfurled just as this.

In this New Universe, there will be made a New Earth, far larger than this Earth as its size encompasses much more and has the capacity for much more.

On this new Earth, there is a portion at least which has the appearance of still water or a plane of glass almost, like a virtual reality video game since none of us have experienced such flatness or a lack of any buildings or mountains or bumps or rocks.

Your body will be regenerated there down to your bones, covered with muscle and nerves, and flesh down to every detail of your fingertips.

Then the breath of life and animation and your consciousness will be returned to you and your experience, and it will appear you have only been asleep and woken up, but this weird place is wholly unfamiliar.

You will see many others and then they will start moving and you'll also follow. They may think they are controlling their decisions or following just because everyone else is doing it but Allah is controlling each experience and the people also have the experience soon and in some cases of being mind controlled, where their frontal lobe is controlled and they feel and see their body moving without their ability to control it their motions or command their body or resist, and this terrifies some greatly.

The angels will also be visible, these are multi "handed" monsters in the sight of many, and terrifying to behold. The select are lobotomized in such a way that they perceive no fear or anxiety, whereas those who are to be punished will already be suffering the terror.

Some will also be raised without certain faculties, such as sight, and will not know what exactly is going on but will be afraid at their blindness, others at their sight.

Its basically a horror show.

It only gets worse from there.

The animals will also all be ressurected but are spared from all this.

0B. The people will be urged and rushing on to an appointed place where they then stand Judgment, and are shown a detailed record or recording of every nuance of their performance in life. Visible may be a gigantic Throne, a physical structure that represents to the creatures the sovereign authority and dominion of God, it is so large and illusory seeming in some senses that it always seems visible even if one is very far from it or much is ahead of it. There is nothing on the throne.

The people are each asked questions and given commentary, in some cases their skin and organs are made to testify, other witnesses may be brought to testify, or things are given life such as idols in order to testify, and God is animating all these things and creating every detail of these experiences.

Then the people are brought to the Bridge, not dissimilar to the Chinvat Bridge and Bifrost bridge.

Anyway, people are handed their record and book in front of them or behind them and in their right hand, each variant is symbolic but literally occurs.

Judgment is processed and the people move to the next area.

This is a bridge which crosses over the Great Rift of Wailing, an expanse leading to hell. At this point it hasn't filled up with people so may be more quiet. The people are handed a candle, otherwise the select are given light that comes out of their foreheads and lights the way, this is again symbolic and simultaneously literal, as are all things in the Afterlife, as well as this life, though there it is much more obvious and here people think most things are just chance and not really symbolic, but even your name given to you by your parents was given to you by Allah and everything in your life, your room, all of it is simultaneously real and symbolic and Allah brings about such.

The light leads the way through the darkness, but for those given a candle, the light is swooped away and they are dropped into the rift where they perceive a sense of falling. Every time they die, and however they may die, they are simply brought back and regenerated and repaired.

They will wish for annhilation, but their nerves keep on being refreshed so they feel everything.

Now, the best people make it to the other side, and there is over the whole surface of the massive planet, PARADISE!

0C. Paradise is beautiful, lush, and here reside all the ressurected animals and lifeforms from all Earth's history. Peace reigns, and mankind live in luxury apartments, mansions, skycrapers, spread out with easy transportation, wearing vastly superior materials, with servitors and alien brides for some, new life forms and creations, mankind lives as a highly advanced civilization, in peace, at leisure, lovingly worshipping the Master, in the company of all the good including good Jinn who are real non-supernatural creatures made of plasma which can be seen and dealt with even today and kindly angels.

Though there are special Willy Wonka's Factory-esque rivers of delicious drinks and resources, and people have goblets and treasures and other rewards based on their conduct, the people will eat delicious meals of the best of all they used to enjoy in life, and have the opportunity to explore more, and families will be reunited so long as they are among the winners, and in the case of missing members replacements can be created with ease. The people have a near complete range of sensation except all anxiety and suffering is eliminated from them, making them incapable of feeling pain and suffering in ways that might lead to discontent, and contentment and joy is what they feel, bliss and laughter and immense and ongoing and repeated gratefulness and praise for the Master of Tlalocan!

Our brothers and sisters from around the world and all history will be among us and their communities, and languages will likely be totally perceptible. Among them will be histories, libraries, historians, and many happy tales and knowledge for those interested in the vast network of Allah's great art. The Noble and terrible events and battles and struggles of each can be clearly discussed or reviewed.

Here the people will live on, as a gift from the Master, Mitra, our true Wali and Greatest Friend, our only true Helper and Savior.

Say hello to Jesus and Muhammed, oh look, its other great people, and others so friendly they were surely great as well! Oh you devotees of Amitabha, Salam to you Lovers of Indra! We are all here, in the Kingdom of God, the New Jeru-Salam!

0D. There are two realms not on the surface, and which can be viewed. One is a kind of middle ground, where people await either going to hell or being allowed in Paradise, and this is not quite at the surface but not down in hell either which likely goes deep to the core of the planet as well, but otherwise is a cavernous and terrible real existing within the planet.

The people in Hell are suffering, arguing, in strife, and tortured and ruled over. They have their leaders still present, such as (most likely Khufu) Firon and his Death Cult of "Saints", his villainous general assembly and chiefs. His wife will likely be in Paradise, in her beautiful Garden Estate and Luxury Mansion, visited by her beloved adopted son Musa the Kindly.

In Hell, everything that is horrible and horrible experiences are all there, and the people live in misery and regret and suffering and dying and burning again and again as a reflection of their lives and deeds and cruelty and curse. Just like fish are made for the sea, the villainous have hell as their habitation, Tartarus, Erebus, the Place of Punishment, while the Good are in Elysium and the Fields and beautiful lands of the New World.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

1. "What does the Qur’an say about that?"

The Qur'an says many of the things I have said, and it promises and guarantees in extremely strong terms a very literal ressurection and Judgment, Paradise, and Hell.

2. "What is Judgment Day?"

It is the period which people are brought back into existence to receive their records and rewards or condemnations and sentences.

3. "Does the Qur’an say people will rise from their graves on Judgment Day?"

The Qur'an says people will be recreated and brought back to life, the Earth is not the same Earth, this Earth is utterly destroyed and extinguished, its a New Earth that we are brought back on.

4. "Is there such a concept as being saved as there is in Christianity?"

Yes, Allah is the only savior and only forgiver, many will be saved and forgiven, but many more will likely be punished horrifically. One should not do all evil and hope in God's mercy alone, but should live a life daily justifying your deserved status to be worthy of good rather than bad results. Use life to build up good karma and eradicate bad karma by doing good deeds and asking for forgiveness for and eliminating and avoiding all bad deeds and excesses in wrong and transgressions and constantly say Rubbay Aghfir Wa Arhum Wa Untha Khayrur Rahimeen.

5. "Do believers have to believe in Muhammad in order to be saved?"

There were many generations who never heard of Muhammed because Muhammed was not born, there may be others who never properly understood, yet whoever worships God, inadvertently following most of the pillars, saying the right thing even without ever having read the Qur'an, God claims in the Qur'an that all such good folk will have their rewards. If some story about Muhammed is causing you difficulty, simply diaregard it, Muhammed as bringer of the Qur'an is undeniably one bringing a message.

6. "Do people have to believe in God in order to get to paradise?"

Generally yes, in some form, which they may not call "God" or understand in an exactly obvious way, but which is still sufficiently acceptable and within the range of what God may accept, plus God can admit anyone anywhere, for any reason or no reason. There may be honorable people who do secretly recognize God but because God has also put some bind on them are unable to admit such or express it frankly or clearly, they may even call it Nature or Reality or Chance but still have an idea that is God-like, and they may be the ones in the Purgatory Middle Realm if they were not very vile and evil and cruel.

Generally though, its expected that all believers of the Supreme One without equals or partners or any form of "shirk", sharing, partners, associates, advisors, co-existing, co-creators", forces, means, whatever people falsely attribute to the Pure One, whoever is cleansed of all such which is granted by Allah, and who worships and does good, they are said to have their reward with their Master.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

To anyone interested, and since some of my writing seems to appear later, I highly reccomend (and I'm doing it myself as well), going back to page 1 and reading mainly my posts exclusively, following all the links and reading and re-reading those and carefully watching all the content and videos with the links which require an h put in front of the address. The journey is fully immersive and extremely interesting by following and reviewing mainly my writing which is meant to carefully take the reader through a journey of all sorts of thoughts, feelings, reactions, representing and starting with birth in the firsr post and concluding (unless more is added) with death and the Afterlife. It is designed, post by post, to take one through a full journey of life, struggles, realities, and is full of tangential insights and much to ponder, like a meditative machine or a ride.

I'd love to know if anyone will go back and do this, without rushing or skimming, and very slowly look at the patterns and work put in and themes which are very carefully placed.

I think, even if one really dislikes it for some reason after processing through it, a very fruitful sort of influence may have occurred by wrestling through it and facing the ideas with the wholeness of your mind and heart in all sincerity.

I'd love to know the results even, and even if you are reading it years later, you may like to try if I'm still checking my email at [email protected] which any of you can use any time to journal your thoughts or dreams and experiences or share things like your favorite songs or spooky things that happened or miracles or nice things you made or ask questions about anything at all, any subjects.

As I go through my writing from the beginning very slowly and carefully and with engagement and piercing attention, it really is quite transformative and magical material present, so this is for anyone who doesn't want to miss out!

Thank you, and please let me know what you end up thinking, experiencing, and go through as you make your way from my first post to here!

May your efforts be blessed and rewarded with good thoughts and realizations and actions!

 

[Duncan]

Thus, I consider myself a Muslim authentically, but also a True:
Follower of All The Ancient Religions such as that of Ugarit, Greece, Germania, The Americas, China, Japan, Mongolia, All Parts of Africa
Vedic Aryan
Mahayana Buddhist
Hindu
Vaisnavite
Saivite
Zoroastrian
Yahudi (Jew)
Nassara/Nazarene (Christian)
Gnostic
Sikh
Free Mason
Satanist

Dagon brother, I want to thank you for sharing all of that, and I do respect you beliefs,It is shame and sad to see that you received threats for what you believe in. You see as a Muslim, the only thing I can do is to convey the message of our Creator, and I leave the rest to him to guide whom ever He wants. Allow me to quote a verse from the Quran where Allah said:

And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers.16:36

The right explanation of the verse would be: And verily We have raised in every nation) We have sent to every people (a messenger) just as We have sent you to your people, ((proclaiming): Serve Allah) believe in Allah's divine Oneness (and shun false gods) and leave the worship of idols; it is also said that this means: leave the worship of Satan; and it is also said that this means: leave the worship of soothsayers. (Then some of them) We sent messengers ((there were) whom Allah guided) to His religion, and so they accepted faith from the messengers, (and some of them (there were) upon whom error had just hold) it was decreed that they would not accept faith from the messengers. (Do but travel in the land and sea) reflect upon (the nature of the consequence for the deniers!) the end result of those who denied the messengers.

It mean if you associate other religions like Hinduism, Zoroastrian.... that would nullify the religion that Allah wants you to follow, they don`t coexist.

 

[Aupmanyav]

And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers. 16:36
.. that would nullify the religion that Allah wants you to follow, they don`t coexist.

I think Bertrand Russell died peacefully.
It is very unfortunate that they cannot coexist.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Dagon brother, I want to thank you for sharing all of that, and I do respect you beliefs,It is shame and sad to see that you received threats for what you believe in. You see as a Muslim, the only thing I can do is to convey the message of our Creator, and I leave the rest to him to guide whom ever He wants. Allow me to quote a verse from the Quran where Allah said:

And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers.16:36

The right explanation of the verse would be: And verily We have raised in every nation) We have sent to every people (a messenger) just as We have sent you to your people, ((proclaiming): Serve Allah) believe in Allah's divine Oneness (and shun false gods) and leave the worship of idols; it is also said that this means: leave the worship of Satan; and it is also said that this means: leave the worship of soothsayers. (Then some of them) We sent messengers ((there were) whom Allah guided) to His religion, and so they accepted faith from the messengers, (and some of them (there were) upon whom error had just hold) it was decreed that they would not accept faith from the messengers. (Do but travel in the land and sea) reflect upon (the nature of the consequence for the deniers!) the end result of those who denied the messengers.

It mean if you associate other religions like Hinduism, Zoroastrian.... that would nullify the religion that Allah wants you to follow, they don`t coexist.

The good news then is, I simply take and "Islamify" everything, so for example "Ahura Mazda" means "Wise Lord", who is the Wise Lord? God, there is no other. Lucifer means "Light Bearer", who is the truest bearer of Light both the creator of literal light and like light the one that metaphorically "makes manifest, makes the sights, makes what is seen, makes apprehended by the senses", and is the bearer of Light as in "Truth" and so on? God alone, so why should Satan be honored with such an appellation? To do so is to lie, to blasphemy the truth and the name of Allah. So to strip the kaffirs and their works and reclaiming everything for Allah is a task for those given the knowledge and careful awareness to do so, leaving the kaffirs with nothing and no escape either.

Who is the Auspicious? Who is the Pervading? These are the meanings of the words used across the world, they are all references, if one is going to be using them accurately, to the One and Only God.

This may not be possible for others to do or understand, in which case they should stick to the Qur'an, but they should understand, they call "demons", and "false gods" the names of Allah, Rahman they call Rimmon, Malik they call Molech, and so on and so forth, and to simply let people do this without saying something better is probably wrong.

All the colors belong to Allah, all the Nations, all the Flags, everything, all the humans, all the inventions. We'll see if I'll be blamed for this, but as far as I'm concerned and righteous and revolutionary since other Muslims have not dared to study and reclaim everything for The One Power. The intentions are noble.

Just like 2+2=4, I can't deny the Truth wherever it comes from or appears and to use what may be usable for this cause or to act as a good reminder.

In any case though, for the sake of comfort, I'm used to every faction denying me as a member, but I don't need them or their approval, nor do I work for them.

"
"Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures."
[Bhagavad Gita 7:20]
"

1. 
   "Ekam evadvitiyam"
   "He is One only without a second."
   [Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1
   
2. "Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah."
   "Of Him there are neither parents nor lord."
   [Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
   
3. "Na tasya pratima asti"
   "There is no likeness of Him."
   [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
   
4. The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:
   
   "Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam."
   
   "His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."
   [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4
   

1. 1. 
      "na tasya pratima asti
      "There is no image of Him."
      [Yajurveda 32:3]5
      
   2. "shudhama poapvidham"
      "He is bodyless and pure."
      [Yajurveda 40:8]6
      
   3. "Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste"
      "They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."
      [Yajurveda 40:9]7
      
      Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.
      
   4. The Yajurveda contains the following prayer:
      "Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander." (Like part of Al-Fatihah, The Opening)
      [Yajurveda 40:16]8
      

1. 1. "Dev maha osi"
      "God is verily great"
      [Atharvaveda 20:58:3]

1. 1. 
      "Sages (learned Priests) call one God by many names."
      [Rigveda 1:164:46]
      

1. 1. 
      "Na tasya Pratima asti"
      "There is no image of Him."
      [Yajurveda 32:3]
      

1. 1. 
      "Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata"
      "O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone."
      [Rigveda 8:1:1]10
      
   2. "Devasya samituk parishtutih"
      "Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator."
      [Rigveda 5:1:81]11
      

Brahma Sutra of Hinduism:

The Brahma Sutra of Hinduism is:

"Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan"

"There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit."

Now, I'm not going to say because this writing comes from before Muhammed was born, it should be thrown in a fire, nor can I deny the Truth wherever it may emerge.

Whatever is the Truth, is mine, it belongs to all humanity, use it, or treat it wastefully.