Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Good point. I've never given that any thought before.
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Obviously a parable, but I'm with @Katzpur on this. I don't think it really matters as the message is the same.
Yes it would.
All one need do is exist and I'll give an opinion on that.It's a good way to draw in a @Rival opinion.
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
No, it was Richie Rich.You mean the rich man's name really was "Rich Man"?
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
Yes, I remember a time (not just a week or a month) when I wondered: is it only a parable, or is it also a real account of an actual man and an actual beggar, even if stylized (in the manner of a vision)?
Notice though that either way, it is a parable in the classic sense. Either if it is a real account of actual individuals, or if it is a story made to illustrate -- both can be a parable.
And we remember the significance and meaning in a parable is never about the particular individuals, but always the true meaning is about us -- me and you and each person, here and now -- about our relation with God or our relations with our brothers and sisters here in this life.
This is helpful especially to notice about a story like the Flood. When people get off in a cul de sac about when and if there was a particular flood, and how big it was, etc., etc., etc., etc., ad naseum... They are losing touch with the only valuable thing in the story -- the actual meanings.
If some other people go off chasing a red herring about how big the Flood was (as if worth more than a couple of minutes of discussion once in a while; or for the more science or engineering types, a fun area of speculations....) -- when people attach too much religious significance to mere concrete details -- then we can pray for them, that they come back to their senses.
And actually listen to the story, and get the real meaning.
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Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I'm curious, @David1967, why it is "obvious" to you that it's a parable? What was the determining factor in your decision?
Hi @Katzpur how are you! Ok, to answer your question. IMHO it is structured like a parable, as a story told to make a point. Much more probable than an actual account of real people.
...and David1967 I find that Scripture agrees with you because of Jesus' words found at Matthew 13:34.
KJV says, ' All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them.'
Mark 4:34 continues with without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they (Jesus and his disciples) were alone he expounded all thing to his disciples - see also Matthew 13:36.
So, what was real, a real happening is what occurred at John 11:11-14.
Whereas, Luke 16 is a parable or illustration story.
Perhaps the name 'Lazarus' was chosen because the Greek form of that Hebrew name 'Eleazar' means: " God has helped ".
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
My real question is why people seem to be so determined that this is not a true story. If it's just a parable, what does it teach beyond what we see on the surface? Generally speaking, parables do have a straightforward meaning that's easy to spot, but also a deeper meaning. What would the deeper meaning of this "parable" be?
Absolutely no as previously documented with references.
Bogus unethical dishonest science without references. Mid ocean ridges and coastal regions with volcanics have been always been highly concentrated chemical environments today as billions of years ago.
There has been tidal zones since the time life is known to have formed and mid ocean ridges .existed. The evidence is clear as long as the moon existed and oceans existed there has been tidal zones. There is factual objective verifiable evidence of tidal zones and mid ocean rides at the time life has been found in the geologic strat billions of years ago.
What you lack entirely is scientific references to support your assertions based on a religious agenda. Nthing cited so far.
Yes there is no evidence of global Tsunamis, an no evidence of "strange matter" punching through the earth and orbiting the earth's core, and no scientific references cited documented your ridiculous claims.
No scientific references to support these assertions. There is objective verifiable evidence that ice ages have existed through out the history of the earth, and huge impacts of many meteorites all over the globe at different ages over the past billions of years. The huge deposits of Basalt are evidence of the volcanism of the Decan trapes
Then you continue to live the life of ancient monasteries rejecting science for ancient worldview not supported by the evidence.
Need some scientific references, which you have never cited.
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Parables and lessons in moral stories have existed in all cultures throughout the history of humanity not unsimilar to those found in the Bible.
None of this is in Genesis as you describe. Genesis is in days the history of the earth is in billions of years, and ah . . . where are the vast ice ages in the history of the earth,
Samantha Rinne
Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
A parable is a story told to teach a lesson. How is it not a parable?
Also, I wager 90% of the population misunderstand the parable, because their translation tells them that the rich man is in Hell.
The CJB has a version that clearly tells us that both men are in Sheol.
Now Sheol, for the uninitiated in Jewish religion, is a shadowy Afterlife that is neither good nor evil but a kind of realm of the dead. This means that they were both in the same room, and the separation between the two was because of karmic separation because in life he was a rich dude who never hung out with Lazarus.
It also has a backhanded jab about ppl not believing even if someone rises from the dead.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Yeah, so have true stories.
True, but not all true..
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PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Yes, the "days" are symbolic, theological language, for events. Seven being
the symbol of completeness.
Likewise Jesus is often called the "lamb of God", but that's just similar language.
Genesis doesn't mention the Decan Traps or the Mexican meteorite either - nor
the Neanderthals, the Ming Dynasty, the Aztecs, DNA, viruses, quasars, how
the heart works, Egyptian hieroglyphics of the mystery of the crystal skulls.
That's not the purpose of Genesis. Bringing any of these up serves the sole
purpose of muddying the waters.