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PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS (Luke 16) IS NOT A PARABLE

This website says the story of lazarus and the rich man is NOT a parable.I lean more to the jehovah witness religion so I believe it IS a parable.What do you think?Do you believe this website backs up the idea of it not being a parable or not?

It's clearly a parable.
Like the prodigal son story, just a parable.
Doesn't make it any less important though.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS (Luke 16) IS NOT A PARABLE

This website says the story of lazarus and the rich man is NOT a parable.I lean more to the jehovah witness religion so I believe it IS a parable.What do you think?Do you believe this website backs up the idea of it not being a parable or not?

Not sure what the problem is the meaning does not change regardless. Pretty much trivial pursuit.

The main problem with scriptures is literal interpretation of Genesis, and the narrow interpretation of scripture in general.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Not sure what the problem is the meaning does not change regardless. Pretty much trivial pursuit.

The main problem with scriptures is literal interpretation of Genesis, and the narrow interpretation of scripture in general.

Seen the new work in the last two weeks concerning the early earth?
The proposition is that the earth was largely oceanic, with maybe a
few mountain tops sticking out - at best.
And of course, at this stage the earth was quite dark and sterile.
EXACTLY what Genesis stated.
If these author(s) guess all this, they did an amazing job - and what
odds to get the sequence right !!!!!
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Seen the new work in the last two weeks concerning the early earth?
The proposition is that the earth was largely oceanic, with maybe a
few mountain tops sticking out - at best.
And of course, at this stage the earth was quite dark and sterile.
EXACTLY what Genesis stated.
If these author(s) guess all this, they did an amazing job - and what
odds to get the sequence right !!!!!

What the earth was billions of years ago has nothing to do with Genesis. Nothing in Genesis indicates the billions of years documented of the ages of the earth and evolution, nor by the way the ice ages and glaciers that cover much of the earth at different times..The water world was ~3.2 billion years ago. Do you accept that?

If you are willing to accept some facts of science you should accept science, which you do not. Selectively accepting science to justify your agenda is unethical and dishonest.
 
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Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
Not sure why this is presented as 'to all religions' given that generally the only religion that treats the NT as infallible scripture is Christianity.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Using names of people does not determine whether it is a parable or not. As stated before the meaning is the same regardless.

If it is a problem please explain.

If names were normally used in parables, there would be other examples. The absence of even one more with proper names that is known to be a parable would give it validity. To arbitrarily say it is a parable gives no credence to that position when there are no more evidences of such.

It is no more a "parable" than when Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah or when God spoke from Heaven.

Though the outcome may be the same, it is a game changer on positions such as soul sleep.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
If names were normally used in parables, there would be other examples. The absence of even one more with proper names that is known to be a parable would give it validity. To arbitrarily say it is a parable gives no credence to that position when there are no more evidences of such.

It is no more a "parable" than when Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah or when God spoke from Heaven.

Though the outcome may be the same, it is a game changer on positions such as soul sleep.

This represents interpretations beyond the simple meaning of the saying regardless.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
What the earth was billions of years ago has nothing to do with Genesis. Nothing in Genesis indicates the billions of years documented of the ages of the earth and evolution, nor by the way the ice ages and glaciers that cover much of the earth at different times..The water world was ~3.2 billion years ago. Do you accept that?

If you are willing to accept some facts of science you should accept science, which you do not. Selectively accepting science to justify your agenda is unethical and dishonest.

Facts, facts and facts. But not the truth.
The first Genesis account gives us time as symbols of perfection - seven.
Jesus genealogy is the same - whole generations are missing to form this
perfect seven, or two times seven. Same with the missing churches with
the "seven churches of Revelation."
But Genesis gives you the SEQUENCE OF EVENTS.
Last year a consensus was formed that life did not emerge in the ocean
but through a wetting and drying process on land. This year we have more
evidence through isotopes of an oceanic world.
I figured out once on this forum that the odds of getting all these steps
right is about one in a thousand.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Facts, facts and facts.

The science of our physical existence is indeed based predictive theories and hypothesis and the facts. To propose anything creates contradictions that cannot be resolved and still fit the evidence. You have not coherently reponded to the fatual nature of science.


But not the truth.

Subjective claims of truth are too variable from different religious perspective to be remotely real nor consistent with the evidence.

The first Genesis account gives us time as symbols of perfection - seven.
Jesus genealogy is the same - whole generations are missing to form this
perfect seven, or two times seven. Same with the missing churches with
the "seven churches of Revelation."
But Genesis gives you the SEQUENCE OF EVENTS.

Strictly one of many different conflicting interpretations among Christians.

False Genesis does not remotely give a consistent sequence of events. Where are the many ice ages?

Genesis does not fit the geologic sequence of events.

Last year a consensus was formed that life did not emerge in the ocean,.but through a wetting and drying process on land. This year we have more
evidence through isotopes of an oceanic world.

Last year you did nothing of the sort. This is absolutely not true and an unethical dishonest claim, which I previous shot done in previous threads with references. The most likely places for the earlies life to form is in coastal tidal regions close to volcanics and the early mid ocean ridges. You are selectively parcial citing possibilities where there is no consensus that you claim.


I figured out once on this forum that the odds of getting all these steps
right is about one in a thousand.

You did falsely claim this without scientific evidence. Nothing more than ENRON creative unethical statistics used by Creationists, and not science.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
The science of our physical existence is indeed based predictive theories and hypothesis and the facts. To propose anything creates contradictions that cannot be resolved and still fit the evidence. You have not coherently reponded to the fatual nature of science.
Subjective claims of truth are too variable from different religious perspective to be remotely real nor consistent with the evidence.
Strictly one of many different conflicting interpretations among Christians.
False Genesis does not remotely give a consistent sequence of events. Where are the many ice ages?
Genesis does not fit the geologic sequence of events.
Last year you did nothing of the sort. This is absolutely not true and an unethical dishonest claim, which I previous shot done in previous threads with references. The most likely places for the earlies life to form is in coastal tidal regions close to volcanics and the early mid ocean ridges. You are selectively parcial citing possibilities where there is no consensus that you claim.
You did falsely claim this without scientific evidence. Nothing more than ENRON creative unethical statistics used by Creationists, and not science.

Yes, in 2019 a consensus was reached that life could not form in oceans.
Why? Something about the
dilution of organics in ocean waters
concentrations of salt which harm biological chemistry
inability to concentrate organics like wetting and drying can
there could be other points, can't remember them now.

There was no "tidal" in the early days, in as much as there
were no shore lines to show the rising and falling of the ocean.

Yes, no ice ages, no volcanism, no meteoritic impacts, no super-nova pulses,
no solar events, no collision of Thea to form the moon, no hyper-gas events,
no Decan Traps, no global tsunamis... and I am sure there could have been
a zillion weird events which happened - how about "strange matter" punching
through the earth and orbiting the earth's core?
The bible is a theological book. - it preaches God. The first account in Genesis
gives the reader an overview of it all. First the heavens, then a dark oceanic
world, then light, then land, then life on land and finally life in the sea. That's
good enough to me. It's good enough for a summary of science too.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
It was a good summary of science in 1,000 BCE. Later, the Greeks knew better than that.

It was in 2020 that science finally gained the evidence the first earth was oceanic.
It was in 2019 that scientists came to a consensus that life formed on land rather than in the ocean.


So modern science is catching up with the first account in Genesis:

1 - God created the heavens
2 - and the earth
3 - and the earth was dark and oceanic
4 - and the skies opened
5 - and the continents rose
6 - and life appeared on land
7 - and then in the ocean
8 - and finally, man.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS (Luke 16) IS NOT A PARABLE

This website says the story of lazarus and the rich man is NOT a parable.I lean more to the jehovah witness religion so I believe it IS a parable.What do you think?Do you believe this website backs up the idea of it not being a parable or not?
When did Jesus make parables about make believe stuff? Do you think Jesus would make a parable about Hades or Abraham's bosom if those places don't exist?
 
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