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A pointless exercise eliminating an important verb.
So here we go: E-prime.
The universe, as the words go, work in the following manner: They requires brains or other relevant processes. Without such processes you could not have the words "the universe". The words as such carry meaning. The meaning connects to what the words refer to. So what does the words "the universe" refer to? Humans as parts of the universe and relevant relationships in regards to humans and the rest of what makes up the universe. The universe thus denotes a collection of relationships and how they work, including how words work, including the words "the universe". Without humans "the universe" would have no meaning. The meaning of words requires humans and all meaning happens in brains.
So now objective for its 2 meanings. First one the one about what goes on in brains:
(of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. That requires brains and happens in brains as per of a person or their judgement.
Now the second meaning:
of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers.
Now first the relevant part: independent of individual thought. That I like Tiger tanks, does not happen independent of my brain and it involves personal feelings or an opinion. "If I like Tiger tanks" do not meet the condition for neither objective in the one or other sense.
Now facts. A fact denotes something, where you remove the relationship to the rest of the universe. E.g. gravity as a part of the universe still forms a relationship to humans, otherwise we couldn't know or speak of it. You speak of it as in itself and omit the relationship. But the relationship still takes place otherwise you couldn't speak of it.
So what does an objective fact mean in the strong sense. It means something humans can't influence based on how they think and feel. Further they can't even do as they please when using their bodies. E.g. in relationship to gravity, I can't fly only using solely my body. I have to use other means, which I have to treat in a certain manner for it to work. I even have to treat my own body in a certain manner for it to work.
So there you go. I explained the words: The universe, objective and facts - using e-prime.
Now for subjective. It works as a relationship which involves processes in a given brain for which it can be different based on other processes in a given brain. I could
choose to walk in one direction,
change my mind and walk in a different direction. Of course dependent on being on firm ground, having mobility and so on.
Now inter-subjectivity and how words work between humans. A given human must learn a language by using it and thus learn to understand how it works for its meaning in given contexts. When 2 or more humans have learned the same language, they share a subjective understanding of the words in general.
See it works.
Now Polymath257, you can only know if something ends up being pointless if you test it. Now I stop using E-prime.
" A pointless exercise eliminating an important verb." Is that objective as not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts? No, it is subjective. Is it objective as independent of individual thought? No, it is subjective. So does
"A pointless exercise eliminating an important verb." represent a fact? Yes, the fact that you subjectively think/feel
" A pointless exercise eliminating an important verb." and that is not objective in either sense.
Could you please learn that all rules for science are inter-subjective and only deals with a limited part of the relationships in the universe?!! You can't magical make something subjective objective. If you could, you would be God.
All facts are not objective, because then we couldn't use the word "fact" and this is a fact, albeit an inter-subjective fact.
Now I am getting tried, that you don't understand, when you are subjective and play with words and declare them objective, because it subjectively suits you. You should know better.
So read both definitions:
-(of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts
-of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers.
That I like Tiger tanks, is not objective in either case and amounts to a contradiction: Like is not a personal feeling/opinion and is independent of individual thought.
Could you start read the words as they are written?
So how can, that I like Tiger tanks, be an objective fact, if it is not objective?
I know. Pick me. I know how to do. I claim it is objective, because it is so, because I say so. You subjectively declare that facts are objective, because you say so.
Stop using how you use definitions in math and science on everyday life. It doesn't work that way. You can't use defining words as to what ever suits you. You check, how the words work on the rest of the universe. You should know how to check that, since you claim, you can check, how the universe works.
Yes, I am not nice. But you are no different for this than some other humans, who think, that the world works as such based on, how they think. Start checking your own thinking.