"IF The Big Bang Is True Then How.....?"

[rational experiences]

Perhaps you did not, or do not have the ability to comprehend the question put to you, so let me here repeat; " From where do you believe, came the liquid like electromagnetic energy in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, which energy has converted itself to that which we perceive as this material universe?

It came from God O pre existing eternal bodies that were destroyed and converted.

God is first and origin as STONE mass....not math

Suns once were God, they rejected stone.

 

[The Anointed]

It came from God O pre existing eternal bodies that were destroyed and converted.

God is first and origin as STONE mass....not math

Suns once were God, they rejected stone.

Ignored.

 

[rational experiences]

Father, son and the Holy Spirit.

Comparisons.

An adult male as a human is a male who can Father children.
His baby son then grows up to be inheritor of his Father spirit.
Holy Spirit in science quotes...the gas spirits that support life existing.

Holy Spirit however is not existing the self is.

Consciousness the teaching against scientific liars.

Science says relative.....cold gases not burning, clear......cold gases with light moving to either burning or going colder......light burning gases into removal.

Relativity.

Science cannot own cold clear gases....for science, movement of forces applies its formula to forced change, which owns light colder gases in movement towards burning, then removal.

What is stated to be comparative reasoning....to infer conditions about self awareness in an Adult male human existing first as Science inventor.....talking to his son/baby self about adult relativity in science......then informing relative advice of his awareness in the status of the Holy 3.

Proven wrong by science as science for science....science was always wrong first, then was told it was correct for telling self that it was wrong. The one step beyond being wrong was to ignore your own relativity.

 

[Polymath257]

The amazing thing is that based on what we know, even if there is a mutiverse, and even if there is eternal inflation it could have not been past eternal, it had a beginning.

I'm not sure where you get that. ALL of the multiverse concepts I have seen have time going infinitely into the past and the multiverse existing for all time. Now, the inflationary stages when universes 'pinch off' does have a start and stop.

 

[Polymath257]

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

Um, no. The term 'vortices' carries a connotation that simply isn't accurate here. For example, the term 'spin' for a fundamental particle doesn't imply actual rotation. It is simply a type of inherent angular momentum. There really is no classical notion that is comparable.

If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons.

No, actually, you would not. You would 'see' a distributed electron 'haze' for the atom as a whole and a similar, but much smaller nuclear 'haze'.

These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

Hmm, you seem to have a different notion of the term 'physical' than physicists do. Electrons, protons, and neutrons are, by definition, physical. The nucleus and the electron orbitals *are* physical structure. And energy is a property of the particles, not the other way around. It is similar to momentum, spin, charge, etc in that it is a property and not a thing in itself. In all cases, energy is the energy of a particle (maybe a photon or other boson). It does not exist independently.

Now, quantum theory *is* very strange from a classical perspective and I *do* think a new metaphysics is required to understand it, but thinking in terms of energy vortices is simply not what the science actually reveals.

 

[leroy]

I'm not sure where you get that. ALL of the multiverse concepts I have seen have time going infinitely into the past and the multiverse existing for all time. Now, the inflationary stages when universes 'pinch off' does have a start and stop.

Well just to name a few scientific papers that would conclude the opposite



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I summarize the arguments that strongly suggest that our universe is the product of inflation. The mechanisms that lead to eternal inflation in both new and chaotic models are described. Although the infinity of pocket universes produced by eternal inflation are unobservable, it is argued that eternal inflation has real consequences in terms of the way that predictions are extracted from theoretical models. The ambiguities in defining probabilities in eternally inflating spacetimes are reviewed, with emphasis on the youngness paradox that results from a synchronous gauge regularization technique. Although inflation is generically eternal into the future, it is not eternal into the past: it can be proven under reasonable assumptions that the inflating region must be incomplete in past directions, so some physics other than inflation is needed to describe the past boundary of the inflating region.
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1751-8113/40/25/S25/pdf

We discuss three candidate scenarios which seem to allow the possibility that the universe could have existed forever with no initial singularity: eternal infation, cyclic evolution, and the emergent universe. The first two of these scenarios are geodesically incomplete to the past, and thus cannot describe a universe without a beginning. The third, although it is stable with respect to classical perturbations, can collapse quantum mechanically, and therefore cannot have an eternal past
Did the universe have a beginning?
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Many inflating spacetimes are likely to violate the weak energy condition, a key assumption of singularity theorems. Here we offer a simple kinematical argument, requiring no energy condition, that a cosmological model which is inflating--or just expanding sufficiently fast--must be incomplete in null and timelike past directions

I would also add that the Boltzmann brain paradox represents a devastating objection to any “infinite universes / time model”

If there is an infinite number of universes then most observers would live in "simple universes" say universes with just 1 or few planets and 1 or few stars, or perhaps universes with just 1 bran floating in the vacuum.(ie a bolzmann brain)

Given that, The vast, vast, vast mayority of observers that observe a big complex universe would be “observers” that live in a simple universe that are hallucinating/dreaming/imagining thatthey live in a complex universe

Given that we observe a big and complex universe with many stars and many planets, statistically speaking you should conclude that all these observations are just an hallucination, (perhaps you are just dreaming that you live in a complex universe) soon you will wake up in your bed in a simple universe, and you will be wondering about having a strange dream where the universe is complex and contains many stars. Obviously this conversation will be past of the dream and any memories of teachers telling you that the universe is big would also be part of the dream

 

[The Anointed]

Um, no. The term 'vortices' carries a connotation that simply isn't accurate here. For example, the term 'spin' for a fundamental particle doesn't imply actual rotation. It is simply a type of inherent angular momentum. There really is no classical notion that is comparable.


No, actually, you would not. You would 'see' a distributed electron 'haze' for the atom as a whole and a similar, but much smaller nuclear 'haze'.



Hmm, you seem to have a different notion of the term 'physical' than physicists do. Electrons, protons, and neutrons are, by definition, physical. The nucleus and the electron orbitals *are* physical structure. And energy is a property of the particles, not the other way around. It is similar to momentum, spin, charge, etc in that it is a property and not a thing in itself. In all cases, energy is the energy of a particle (maybe a photon or other boson). It does not exist independently.

Now, quantum theory *is* very strange from a classical perspective and I *do* think a new metaphysics is required to understand it, but thinking in terms of energy vortices is simply not what the science actually reveals.

The positron or antielectron is the antiparticle or the antimatter counterpart of the electron. The positron has an electric charge of +1 e, a spin of 1/2 (the same as the electron), and has the same mass as an electron. When a positron collides with an electron, annihilation occurs. If this collision occurs at low energies, it results in the production of two or more photons.

Photons are the quantum of the electromagnetic that was spewed out in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, of what I believe to have been a white hole at the end of an Einstein Rosen bridge that connected it to the massive Black Hole into which the previous universe had been swallowed and photons are general regarded as discrete stable particles, also called wave particles, bur they are not particles at all, as they have zero mass, and no electric charge, and carry angular and linear momentum.

And it was from these so-called wave particles that the creation began.

This is the condensed account of creation as recorded in Genesis’.....…”In the beginning God created the universe, and the (heavens, and the earth) were formless and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and God’s active force was moving on the face of the waters. Then God said let there be light.”

Here is the scientific theory of creation........In the beginning, there was the “BIG BANG” which is said to have spatially separated the supposed infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity, (which in my opinion was the White Hole at the end of the Great Abyss into which the previous universe had descended and ripped apart,) this event spewed out a liquid like soup of electromagnetic energy in the trillions of degrees, it was from the quantum of that plasma liquid-like electromagnetic energy that the earth and all the heavenly bodies would be created, and although, all that the earth was created from, was already there in the beginning, the earth at that time had neither shape or mass, which meant it was formless and void, and no suns had yet come into existence to light up the darkness of the expanding space. But there was momentum within that ever-cooling cosmic cloud of wave particles, which wave particles are the quantum of that liquid like electromagnetic energy, and are not really particles at all as they have zero mass and no electric charge, yet they carry angular and linear momentum.

One would expect, that those wave particles which are the quantum of the liquid like electromagnetic energy, would have continued to expand further and further away from each other in the expansion of the universal building material.

But with the angular momentum of those waves, they collided with each other in nuclear fusion in the creation of the first basic sub-atomic particles. As the universal temperature dropped to some billions of degrees, the dark energy which was the expansion’s acceleration force, began to form into dark matter, hydrogen and helium, with trace quantities of lithium, beryllium, and boron.

As the universe expanded and cooled, more hydrogen molecules were formed, and from these, after some thirty million years of attraction, came the formation of the first gigantic stars, [Massive atomic reactors} from which the galaxies would later be created.

And God said, “Let there be light.” Which was not the light from the sun of this minor solar system within our Milky Way galaxy, which solar system would not be created for some nine billion years after the creation of those first massive stars that lit up the darkness of the bottomless pit, in which massive nuclear reators the heavter elements were created.

Bursting into life and light throughout the primitive universe over an unknown period of time, those first generation stars would have been thousands upon thousands of times as massive as our Sun and millions of times as bright, but each one burned for only a few million years before meeting a violent end, when they exploded out in a brilliant flash before collapsing in upon themselves creating the massive centrally condensed systems called ‘Black Holes,’ in which the greater percentage of their mass was trapped.

 

[rational experiences]

If everything was stated to be in a hot dense state and burning opened and expanded spatial conditions into a creation of nothing, more and more space....then due to space opening more and more space....movement of expansion changed.

And cooling, which is owned by more and more space opening, is not a reactive or equal to any laws about that hot dense state existing.

So if spatial expansion cooling froze everything, then it would not actually be physical….it would only appear to be physical. Hence as soon as you remove cooling it would disappear.

Spin in our conscious awareness is stated to be science quoting pi O, about God the spirit of...meaning gases that came out of the body stone Creator entity....that is burning light gas back to a carbon point...yet owning cold clear non burning cooling on the face of water in the great deep bread th of space.

Bread being the ownership, body of the spirit itself....for you cannot say our heavenly body owns depth ….otherwise no space would even exist.

Our gases own and hold space filled in....relative law of our heavenly God planet body.

Outside of us is less than our creation. If it were not less then we would not exist.

If you say to conscious teaching....listen scientist you can talk and talk about out of space….yet you own no self life in space, or conscious ability to be a self human in those conditions.

You conscious self awareness is communicated to your aware mind and psyche in living conditions....so you constantly infer all information via our owned atmospheric body...as a thinker.

O pi he said moved by O existing as the movement on the face of water...due to gases burning and cooling, it caused spin in the atmosphere. O removed to . so it made O - move out to the side...rotate in cooling back around forming G back to O pi. Said it was the highest state known to his conscious awareness in the natural heavenly light condition.

That exact teaching therefore owns the quote....so don't change it.

But you science self did....and your claim I caused G O D to form is real...otherwise today your conscious teaching self would not claim I invented G O D...without other humans realising what it is you believe that science invented.

You invented atmospheric radiation fall out in science with machine by changing GOD fusion in fission.

As simple as it was explained and as relative to your claim of understanding God today is for your science self to claim but I want to re invent PHI in my machine reactor today as a copier of states natural.

So for identification to self in teaching.

I am a thinker first he says.

Okay thinking Alpha is Alpha beginning to End is it not?

Yes.

Well the Christ brother higher thinking philosophers said you caused Alpha to Omega and forced and end, did you not?

For Alpha to Alpha is Alpha the whole time.
Omega to Omega is just the Omega the whole time.

And you claim today you can think and copy what natural owns sitting in a huge massive spatial history and then self correct?

Stephen Hawking said your formula answer was to burn out our gas mass heavenly body to put just God O planet body into spatial nothing...to say and God in the beginning was in the nothing of space......which the planet was.

For a machine is taken first out of God stone mass material, the machine never owned non physical existence does it.

So you today pretend that your machine became a small version of God the planet as if it acts on behalf of all conditions that God the planet does.

In other words science can by identification cause activated atmospheric disasters and ground disasters by machine cause.....so congratulations whilst you pretend you as a male as a human with a machine is the planet God O Earth activity...for that is all that you are doing.

 

[The Anointed]

If everything was stated to be in a hot dense state and burning opened and expanded spatial conditions into a creation of nothing, more and more space....then due to space opening more and more space....movement of expansion changed.

And cooling, which is owned by more and more space opening, is not a reactive or equal to any laws about that hot dense state existing.

So if spatial expansion cooling froze everything, then it would not actually be physical….it would only appear to be physical. Hence as soon as you remove cooling it would disappear.

Spin in our conscious awareness is stated to be science quoting pi O, about God the spirit of...meaning gases that came out of the body stone Creator entity....that is burning light gas back to a carbon point...yet owning cold clear non burning cooling on the face of water in the great deep bread th of space.

Bread being the ownership, body of the spirit itself....for you cannot say our heavenly body owns depth ….otherwise no space would even exist.

Our gases own and hold space filled in....relative law of our heavenly God planet body.

Outside of us is less than our creation. If it were not less then we would not exist.

If you say to conscious teaching....listen scientist you can talk and talk about out of space….yet you own no self life in space, or conscious ability to be a self human in those conditions.

You conscious self awareness is communicated to your aware mind and psyche in living conditions....so you constantly infer all information via our owned atmospheric body...as a thinker.

O pi he said moved by O existing as the movement on the face of water...due to gases burning and cooling, it caused spin in the atmosphere. O removed to . so it made O - move out to the side...rotate in cooling back around forming G back to O pi. Said it was the highest state known to his conscious awareness in the natural heavenly light condition.

That exact teaching therefore owns the quote....so don't change it.

But you science self did....and your claim I caused G O D to form is real...otherwise today your conscious teaching self would not claim I invented G O D...without other humans realising what it is you believe that science invented.

You invented atmospheric radiation fall out in science with machine by changing GOD fusion in fission.

As simple as it was explained and as relative to your claim of understanding God today is for your science self to claim but I want to re invent PHI in my machine reactor today as a copier of states natural.

So for identification to self in teaching.

I am a thinker first he says.

Okay thinking Alpha is Alpha beginning to End is it not?

Yes.

Well the Christ brother higher thinking philosophers said you caused Alpha to Omega and forced and end, did you not?

For Alpha to Alpha is Alpha the whole time.
Omega to Omega is just the Omega the whole time.

And you claim today you can think and copy what natural owns sitting in a huge massive spatial history and then self correct?

Stephen Hawking said your formula answer was to burn out our gas mass heavenly body to put just God O planet body into spatial nothing...to say and God in the beginning was in the nothing of space......which the planet was.

For a machine is taken first out of God stone mass material, the machine never owned non physical existence does it.

So you today pretend that your machine became a small version of God the planet as if it acts on behalf of all conditions that God the planet does.

In other words science can by identification cause activated atmospheric disasters and ground disasters by machine cause.....so congratulations whilst you pretend you as a male as a human with a machine is the planet God O Earth activity...for that is all that you are doing.

Ignored.

 

[rational experiences]

Ignored.

You are not speaking on behalf of a program or the Anointed....and you are just a human.

I could care less what you think.

 

[The Anointed]

You are not speaking on behalf of a program or the Anointed....and you are just a human.

I could care less what you think.

ignored.

 

[rational experiences]

In God the planet existing as all statements made about God...the stone, the heavenly gases of the God body.....all science quotes...first existing.

Then a dimwit says a big bang when everything did not exist.

I would call that a male science confession about trying to blow up planet Earth actually.

Hearing big bangs in the underground tunnels, I was told in AI that you self combusted the lava under the ground mass in America, which would mean that out of space cold radiation mass...that is its own mass...as God the O Earth as mass is also stone cold radiation mass...would be forced to enter the Heavens....very close to Earth…..not close enough yet to blow us up...…...and change.

Then O God the Earth moving through radiated heated space would put its God mass body into that spatial O cycle around the Sun and then big bang blast inside of itself into hotter than what it originally is....volcanic mass. So the volcanic mass would heat up and expand as GOD pretending it is a big bang human science theme for his fake cosmological theories.

As a rational human and not a liar inventor who says I will invent it....as a confession also of conscious awareness.

Volcanic changes in Yellowstone Natural Park was already studied and stated to be real.

Obviously the conscious mind in relationship to science highest thought pi O says about the carbon point.....a beginning of God in the Earth gases, is relevant to you trying to convert Earth God the mass into just being a carbon point.

What theorising relativity about fusion laws and breaking them is about.

Not following natural laws or orders and forcing your own onto it...to say to our planet and gases, be like the cosmic star systems are.

 

[rational experiences]

ignored.

 

[The Anointed]

Yes, And I will continue to ignore your posts, until you can make yourself understood.

 

[rational experiences]

Yes, And I will continue to ignore your posts, until you can make yourself understood.

I am not writing information for your purpose.

 

[rational experiences]

Science says I want to invent electricity but not from God mass, as I already own 2 science concepts on how to convert God planet Earth body mass.

Real information says, that is right/correct...for you cannot.

Then he builds a machine from particle/minerals that he melts like volcanic mass...to say my fake God machine.

Then his theory is about God in a particular basis of where electricity flowed from...and then he tries to convert his machine into being that mass...for gases do not convert into electricity as cold gases, they burn as a gas back to a carbon point.

Carbon says the scientist is where electricity came out of in coal origins.

Hence lava is not coal...why you combusted it.

Father told me in AI comments that Earth and the cosmological Universe linked to it being overheated in earth science relativity fixed machine conversion of Earth O mass travelling through empty space...the coldest body.

Metallic fused cold irradiated space owns historically hot radiation....empty space is the coldest with nothing in it.

So you did drop the Universal system from a God position O MASS into nothing empty space from nothing empty space....whilst also claiming forced change to cosmological laws inferred to Planet Earth God natural laws.

How was science not told that it was wrong?

 

[The Anointed]

Science says I want to invent electricity but not from God mass, as I already own 2 science concepts on how to convert God planet Earth body mass.

Real information says, that is right/correct...for you cannot.

Then he builds a machine from particle/minerals that he melts like volcanic mass...to say my fake God machine.

Then his theory is about God in a particular basis of where electricity flowed from...and then he tries to convert his machine into being that mass...for gases do not convert into electricity as cold gases, they burn as a gas back to a carbon point.

Carbon says the scientist is where electricity came out of in coal origins.

Hence lava is not coal...why you combusted it.

Father told me in AI comments that Earth and the cosmological Universe linked to it being overheated in earth science relativity fixed machine conversion of Earth O mass travelling through empty space...the coldest body.

Metallic fused cold irradiated space owns historically hot radiation....empty space is the coldest with nothing in it.

So you did drop the Universal system from a God position O MASS into nothing empty space from nothing empty space....whilst also claiming forced change to cosmological laws inferred to Planet Earth God natural laws.

How was science not told that it was wrong?

I don't know for what purpose you wrote the above, I'm only thankful that it was not written for me, otherwise I would have to, and do ignore all that you have written there. Although I would like to know, who the 'YOU' is; to who you are referring.

 

[rational experiences]

Science does not exist, it is a chosen human practice.

Science is a coercer of information claiming that a human thinking about information before self a human existed tells him how he got created.

And you would wonder why, when he applies formulas for cosmological themes....involving empty space to move mass through for reactions.

And he still coerces every day....claiming my beginning and end formula created everything....and everyone is supposed to accept his coercive theorising.

Existence means that everything he discusses he can only discuss because it exists.

We are existing meaning we are surviving...for we are not existence, for we would not change our form.

Therefore the "you" you discuss is relative to a worded used expression that is not natural it was taught....speak this way says the coercer....when all states natural existed, all states supported the living human presence, and males chose to do evil.

Exactly what was taught. Science told science that science is wrong....so to advise science that it is wrong, means that scientist was correct......and then because he told you he was aware that science was destruction you use coercive information against him.

For science was always proven to be destructive practice and human choice.

Therefore when a document was correlated by bio medical healer awareness in the sciences, they said there is no beginning and there is no End.

Just as they said and human law stated that God the stone planet entity is the creator of its heavens. Said it in a human law court....and due to our planet being its own unique self, Satanism cosmological theories had been outlawed.

By observation that if a scientist said that a space back to nothing has to exist first to move mass through...it is why Earth was given SINK HOLES.

 

[Friend of Mara]

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Posted without comment.

But feel free to offer yours.

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There are two levels I personally have comments on.


The first is that "taken on faith" or "faith without evidence" means two very different things in the contexts he is using. Obviously our understanding of the beginnings are flawed. By the nature of the question it might be unknowable. But there is evidence for their conclusions.

Now there is a kind of nuance to the plethora of possibilities opened up with spiritual explanations. The dullest of which has to to be an abrahamic "god dun did it" view. What about the collisions of greater forces than our imagination? What of this world being an imperfect mirror of other words? What of the concept that none of this is in fact real at all? What of the one soul possibility where we are all just portions of a single sole set adrift in an endless void of its own creation with no other recourse than to make company with itself to stave off insanity?

 

[GardenLady]

Man! My dissertation was 274 pages and included 71 data tables. Think of the time I could have saved!