What do Jews find strange about Christianity and why.

[dybmh]

but they did have belief in a resurrection

Wouldn't resurrection require an immortal soul?

 

[Flankerl]

The gospel writers were eyewitnesses

 

[rosends]

Use of the name "Jehovah" is the English translation of the Tetragrammaton. Since it is a translation rather than a transliteration, we did not try to retain the sound of the name in Hebrew because we are not Hebrew speakers,

Just trying to understand. What I have learned is that transliteration is the taking of the sound of a word from one language and representing it in the alphabet of another language. Translation is the expressing of meaning or sense of a word or phrase in one language through the vocabulary of another language.

How does "Jehovah" express a meaning or sense of the four letters from the Hebrew alphabet? Thanks.

 

[Deeje]

Wouldn't resurrection require an immortal soul?

What did God tell Adam?

Genesis 3:19.....
"With the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, until you return to the ground, for you were taken therefrom, for dust you are, and to dust you will return." יטבְּזֵעַ֤ת אַפֶּ֨יךָ֙ תֹּ֣אכַל לֶ֔חֶם עַ֤ד שֽׁוּבְךָ֙ אֶל־הָ֣אֲדָמָ֔ה כִּ֥י מִמֶּ֖נָּה לֻקָּ֑חְתָּ כִּֽי־עָפָ֣ר אַ֔תָּה וְאֶל־עָפָ֖ר תָּשֽׁוּב:"

Any mention of life after death there?

Do you believe Solomon? Was he an inspired Bible writer?

Two verses where he expresses the ancient (pre-Hellenic influence) Jewish view about death are recorded in Ecclesiastes....

"For there is a happening for the children of men, and there is a happening for the beasts-and they have one happening-like the death of this one is the death of that one, and all have one spirit, and the superiority of man over beast is nought, for all is vanity. יטכִּי֩ מִקְרֶ֨ה בְֽנֵי־הָֽאָדָ֜ם וּמִקְרֶ֣ה הַבְּהֵמָ֗ה וּמִקְרֶ֤ה אֶחָד֙ לָהֶ֔ם כְּמ֥וֹת זֶה֙ כֵּ֣ן מ֣וֹת זֶ֔ה וְר֥וּחַ אֶחָ֖ד לַכֹּ֑ל וּמוֹתַ֨ר הָֽאָדָ֤ם מִן־הַבְּהֵמָה֙ אָ֔יִן כִּ֥י הַכֹּ֖ל הָֽבֶל:
20 All go to one place; all came from the dust, and all return to the dust. כהַכֹּ֥ל הוֹלֵ֖ךְ אֶל־מָק֣וֹם אֶחָ֑ד הַכֹּל֙ הָיָ֣ה מִן־הֶֽעָפָ֔ר וְהַכֹּ֖ל שָׁ֥ב אֶל־הֶֽעָפָֽר:" (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20)

and

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for their remembrance is forgotten. הכִּ֧י הַֽחַיִּ֛ים יֽוֹדְעִ֖ים שֶׁיָּמֻ֑תוּ וְהַמֵּתִ֞ים אֵינָ֧ם יֽוֹדְעִ֣ים מְא֗וּמָה וְאֵֽין־ע֤וֹד לָהֶם֙ שָׂכָ֔ר כִּ֥י נִשְׁכַּ֖ח זִכְרָֽם:"

"Whatever your hand attains to do [as long as you are] with your strength, do; for there is neither deed nor reckoning, neither knowledge nor wisdom in the grave,[sheol] where you are going. יכֹּ֠ל אֲשֶׁ֨ר תִּמְצָ֧א יָֽדְךָ֛ לַֽעֲשׂ֥וֹת בְּכֹֽחֲךָ֖ עֲשֵׂ֑ה כִּי֩ אֵ֨ין מַֽעֲשֶׂ֤ה וְחֶשְׁבּוֹן֙ וְדַ֣עַת וְחָכְמָ֔ה בִּשְׁא֕וֹל אֲשֶׁ֥ר אַתָּ֖ה הֹלֵ֥ךְ שָֽׁמָּה:" (Ecclesiastes 9:5; 10)

Sheol is the common grave....no one in sheol is conscious...they "sleep" awaiting a resurrection, which is a return to life in the flesh. God does not need a single molecule of us to re-create a new body (as he did for Adam) and re-implant our memories so we know who we are and who belongs to us.

Psalm 146:3-4...
"Do not trust in princes, in the son of man, who has no salvation. גאַל־תִּבְטְח֥וּ בִנְדִיבִ֑ים בְּבֶן־אָדָ֓ם | שֶׁ֚אֵ֖ין ל֥וֹ תְשׁוּעָֽה:

4 His spirit leaves, he returns to his soil; on that day, his thoughts are lost. דתֵּצֵ֣א ר֖וּחוֹ יָשֻׁ֣ב לְאַדְמָת֑וֹ בַּיּ֥וֹם הַ֜ה֗וּא אָֽבְד֥וּ עֶשְׁתֹּנֹתָֽיו"

The "spirit" is "the breath of life"...when the last 'breath' leaves the body, the soul dies.....it is not immortal.
Once your brain is dead, all thought processes cease.

Ezekiel 18:4...
"Behold, all souls are Mine. Like the soul of the father, like the soul of the son they are Mine; the soul that sins, it shall die. דהֵ֚ן כָּל־הַנְּפָשׁוֹת֙ לִ֣י הֵ֔נָּה כְּנֶ֧פֶשׁ הָאָ֛ב וּכְנֶ֥פֶשׁ הַבֵּ֖ן לִי־הֵ֑נָּה הַנֶּ֥פֶשׁ הַֽחֹטֵ֖את הִ֥יא תָמֽוּת:"

Isn't it a matter of knowing your own scripture? There is danger in allowing others to interpret for you unless they can back up everything they say with other scripture. The Bible explains itself, if you let it.

 

[cataway]

Wouldn't resurrection require an immortal soul?

a immortal soul could not be killed

 

[Deeje]

Just trying to understand. What I have learned is that transliteration is the taking of the sound of a word from one language and representing it in the alphabet of another language. Translation is the expressing of meaning or sense of a word or phrase in one language through the vocabulary of another language.

How does "Jehovah" express a meaning or sense of the four letters from the Hebrew alphabet? Thanks.

How does one translate a name? In languages other than English we see the same name but it is spelled and sounds different....like Peter....Pierre, Pedro, Piotr.....John....Giovanni, Juan, Jean. Jesus...Isus, Ježiš, Gesù .

"Jehovah" is the Anglicized form of the divine name. "Yahweh" is the transliteration and we have no problem with that, but prefer a translation rather than to just assume how it was said in the original Hebrew.

If God confused the language of the tower builders at Babel, then he is the originator of all language, which means that he can hear prayer and songs of praise in any language and accept them from the hearts of those who offer them.

Stumbling over pronunciation when there was never a command from God to cease to utter it, is disrespectful IMO. How can Jews criticize others for failing to pronounce God's illustrious name when it was their fault that it was lost in the first place? How does God give his people his name and tell them that it is to "mentioned in every generation" and then have them decide to eliminate it from their speech? Please justify this to me....

What human author would tolerate his name being removed from all the translations of his book except his mother tongue, which was then withheld for no valid reason? Would the title read that the book was by "The Author"? His name is his identity....can you not see the problem?

 

[Spartan]

Interesting: You have resorted to a personal comment--one that presumes rip know my thought process--instead of, and failing to dry again, provide the requested definition.
And, by the way, I don't have this issue with other Christians here.

Please don't bother me anymore.

 

[Harel13]

"Jehovah" is the Anglicized form of the divine name. "Yahweh" is the transliteration and we have no problem with that, but prefer a translation rather than to just assume how it was said in the original Hebrew.

"A translation tells you the meaning of words in another language. A transliteration doesn't tell you the meaning of the words, but it helps you pronounce them. Transliteration changes the letters from one alphabet or language into the corresponding, similar-sounding characters of another alphabet" (first result on Google)
Both the words you use for the tetragram are variations of transliterations of the name and not translations. Do you folks even know what God's name means?

 

[dybmh]

a immortal soul could not be killed

Maybe God could extinguish it ( for lack of a better term )? But as @Deeje correctly pointed out... I don't know my own scripture as well as I should. So this is just a guess.

 

[cataway]

" Do you folks even know what God's name means?

i like
“He Causes to Become”

 

[Harel13]

i like
“He Causes to Become”

So why use two transliterations instead?

 

[cataway]

Maybe God could extinguish it ( for lack of a better term )? But as @Deeje correctly pointed out... I don't know my own scripture as well as I should. So this is just a guess.

yes there is the lake of fire Rev.20 :10
fire indicates destruction. in other words, gone not coming back ever.

 

[Rival]

yes there is the lake of fire Rev.20 :10
fire indicates destruction. in other words, gone not coming back ever.

Doesn't the Christian scripture also teach of a baptism in fire? Could this not be a purifying fire?

I have no dog in this race, so I'm just asking.

 

[cataway]

So why use two transliterations instead?

“Jehovah” or “Yahweh” ?
“Jehovah” is the best known English pronunciation of the divine name, although “Yahweh” is favored by most Hebrew scholars. my self, i speak english

 

[cataway]

Doesn't the Christian scripture also teach of a baptism in fire? Could this not be a purifying fire?

I have no dog in this race, so I'm just asking.

Luke 3:16 ?

 

[Rival]

Luke 3:16 ?

Yes, that.

 

[cataway]

Doesn't the Christian scripture also teach of a baptism in fire? Could this not be a purifying fire?

I have no dog in this race, so I'm just asking.

there is no mixing of the two ,fire and water , its one or the other .
John the baptizer told his listeners that there would be a division, he likened it to a gathering of the wheat, after which the chaff would be burned up completely destroyed .​

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Sir, symbolic or not, it's still cannibalism. It's horrific. Listen to yourself talk. You are saying that God condones symbolic cannibalism!!! If that isn't strange, I don't know what is. when you think about it, doesn't it bother you just a tiny little bit?

I hate to interrupt, but do you actually believe catholics are drinking actual blood and actual flesh??? Religion aside. Please tell me no

 

[Deeje]

"A translation tells you the meaning of words in another language. A transliteration doesn't tell you the meaning of the words, but it helps you pronounce them. Transliteration changes the letters from one alphabet or language into the corresponding, similar-sounding characters of another alphabet" (first result on Google)
Both the words you use for the tetragram are variations of transliterations of the name and not translations. Do you folks even know what God's name means?

Exodus 3:14...
"God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:"

So his name (יְהֹוָ֞ה) is a description of his intentions and activities...he will rise to any situation to "BE" whatever he needs to "BE" in order for his will to be accomplished.

"Jehovah" is the Anglicized form of the divine name....if you go to the default translation of the Bible used here on RF you will see "Jehovah" used where the Hebrew text indicates that it belongs.

Psalm 83:18 AS (19 in the Tanakh) says of those who hate God...
"That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, Art the Most High over all the earth." Clear and simple. This is the God who is above all false gods.

But the Tanakh says...
"Let them know that You-Your name alone is the Lord, Most High over all the earth. וְיֵֽדְע֗וּ כִּי־אַתָּ֬ה שִׁמְךָ֣ יְהֹוָ֣ה לְבַדֶּ֑ךָ עֶ֜לְי֗וֹן עַל־כָּל־הָאָֽרֶץ:"

God's name is not "The Lord". יְהֹוָ֣ה ("Jehovah" in English) is "who" he is..."The Lord" is "what" he is. To lose his name is to lose his identity as the God over all creation.

So why use two transliterations instead?

I don't understand the Jewish attitude towards the use of God's name...? Most of you guys can't even write G-d or L-rd without omitting the vowels.....does God dislike vowels for some reason? The creator of language made vowels for a reason or do you think he likes to play word games with us?

Exodus 3:15....
"And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation. טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:

If God gave Moses his name to give to his people, and he said that it was to be "mentioned" (i.e. uttered) then why did the Jews fail to carry out God's instructions to "mention" his name "in every generation"? That was a huge act of disobedience, wasn't it? Who said that this travesty should be carried out? The same people who interpret your scriptures, and you just blindly believe them? Seriously...help me understand by whose authority this was done, because it clearly was not God's intention that it be lost....was it?

 

[Deeje]

Doesn't the Christian scripture also teach of a baptism in fire? Could this not be a purifying fire?

I have no dog in this race, so I'm just asking.

There are actually four different baptisms mentioned in the Bible.....(1) John’s baptism, (2) water baptism of Jesus and his followers, (3) baptism into Christ Jesus and into his death, (4) baptism with fire.

"Baptism With Fire. When many Pharisees and Sadducees came out to John the Baptizer, he called them “offspring of vipers.” He spoke of the coming One and said: “That one will baptize you people with holy spirit and with fire.” (Mt 3:7, 11; Lu 3:16) The baptism with fire is not the same as baptism with holy spirit. The fiery baptism could not be, as some say, the tongues of fire at Pentecost, for the disciples there were not immersed in fire. (Ac 2:3) John told his listeners that there would be a division, there would be a gathering of the wheat, after which the chaff would be burned up with fire that could not be put out. (Mt 3:12) He pointed out that the fire would not be a blessing or a reward but would be because ‘the tree did not produce fine fruit.’—Mt 3:10; Lu 3:9.

Using fire as a symbol of destruction, Jesus foretold the execution of the wicked to take place during his presence, saying: “On the day that Lot came out of Sodom it rained fire and sulphur from heaven and destroyed them all. The same way it will be on that day when the Son of man is to be revealed.” (Lu 17:29, 30; Mt 13:49, 50) Other instances of fire representing, not a saving force, but a destructive one, are found at 2 Thessalonians 1:8; Jude 7; and 2 Peter 3:7, 10."
Baptism — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

Because you asked.....