Is atheism a threat to humanity?

[Mock Turtle]

Yes, the "god of this world" is "just"......but He is not "good".
(see my post in what "evil" is )

God is anything you want he/she/it to be it seems. You'll have to do better than all the other religious beliefs to convince someone who has been a sceptic for the larger part of his life, and I'm not even interested anyway. And my concept of evil is there too.

 

[firedragon]

If that is what you wish to call it when people think evidence is important, sure... I am "biased" to statements that are actually supported by evidence.

Whats the evidence? Please quote.

 

[ratiocinator]

that's correct, "matter" is the end product of "energy"......when said energy is "manifested" ( brought into form and substance )

Utter nonsense. Matter isn't even a well defined term and energy is a property of things.

Matter is some subset of what we might call "stuff" but what subset is context dependant. Energy isn't stuff at all, it's a property of stuff. So matter is never the end product of energy.

When people relate matter and energy they are generally getting confused about E=mc^2, which is about mass and energy, not matter and energy. Mass is another property of stuff.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Utter nonsense. Matter isn't even a well defined term and energy is a property of things.

Matter is some subset of what we might call "stuff" but what subset is context dependant. Energy isn't stuff at all, it's a property of stuff. So matter is never the end product of energy.

When people relate matter and energy they are generally getting confused about E=mc^2, which is about mass and energy, not matter and energy. Mass is another property of stuff.

So is making sense of reality. A property of stuff, yet you can't do that with science alone. Nor philosophy or religion alone will do. That is how it has been so far apparently.

So what is it?

1. All properties are objective.
2. All properties are subjective.
3. Neither, they are a combination, which can't be reduced to the one nor the other.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

We will determine it by your next move. If you chose to do anything whatsoever going forward, you will prove yourself to be a liar.

False. You can still choose to do something, but that doesn't mean it has a purpose.

Because, if you truly believed there is no purpose for your existence, then you would cease to live.

Also false. You can determine you have no purpose and still continue to live.

So now, get busy living, or get busy dying.

You haven't successfully answered my question - just made a bunch of further baseless claims.

 

[ratiocinator]

So is making sense of reality. A property of stuff, yet you can't do that with science alone. Nor philosophy or religion alone will do. That is how it has been so far apparently.

So what is it?

1. All properties are objective.
2. All properties are subjective.
3. Neither, they are a combination, which can't be reduced to the one nor the other.

Please stop bringing your ill-thought through stuff about subjective and objective into absolutely every conversation. My comments were about physics (which the poster I was responding to brought up).

My sincere advice to you: think more, post less, and post only when your response is relevant.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

We don't have to. Some humans confuse in effect the objective and subjective.
As long as somebody that a subjective belief*, which works as giving rise to further behavior for which the further behavior works in accordance with how the universe works in practice, then the subjective belief* works as can be observed. Now the subjective belief* can be wrong as far as methodological naturalism goes, but it doesn't matter, because it is a subjective belief*.

Example: The belief in witches and the end result of burning them on the stake.
In short:
Unreal beliefs can have real effects.
I have now explained and informed you of how the subjective works sometimes. Now please explain, how that is not, how the universe works in part. You can't. You can claim it is wrong, but that is not science.

That is where we end and how some people do it. That has nothing to do with religion in particular. That happens within politics and morality a lot.

And none of that has a thing to do with the price of tea in China.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

And none of that has a thing to do with the price of tea in China.

Love how you used a reasoned argument.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

God is anything you want he/she/it to be it seems. You'll have to do better than all the other religious beliefs to convince someone who has been a sceptic for the larger part of his life, and I'm not even interested anyway. And my concept of evil is there too.

I don't have any "concept".....I'm just stating what it (evil)...IS

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

Utter nonsense. Matter isn't even a well defined term and energy is a property of things.

Matter is some subset of what we might call "stuff" but what subset is context dependant. Energy isn't stuff at all, it's a property of stuff. So matter is never the end product of energy.

When people relate matter and energy they are generally getting confused about E=mc^2, which is about mass and energy, not matter and energy. Mass is another property of stuff.

you are confused

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Love how you used a reasoned argument.

You provided nothing to argue against in your last post, as it didn't relate in any inteligible way to the post you responded to.

If you want to talk about your..frankly uninteresting..fascination with how you see subjective reality, feel free to start another thread about it.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

False. You can still choose to do something, but that doesn't mean it has a purpose.


Also false. You can determine you have no purpose and still continue to live.


You haven't successfully answered my question - just made a bunch of further baseless claims.

As stated......you prove your falsehood as to your "purpose" for living,
by continuing to do so.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

You provided nothing to argue against in your last post, as it didn't relate in any inteligible way to the post you responded to.

If you want to talk about your..frankly uninteresting..fascination with how you see subjective reality, feel free to start another thread about it.

I will take that as a "I don't know".

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

I will take that as a "I don't know".

I wasn't responding to you. Go fly around and talk to disembodied entities or something.

Edit: sorry, but I can't take you seriously anymore.

 

[ratiocinator]

you are confused

Funny. You being ignorant of science is rather obvious - as is your propensity for making absurd and baseless assertions. If you want to correct your basic ignorance of science in this respect:-

Matter and Energy: A False Dichotomy

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You provided nothing to argue against in your last post, as it didn't relate in any inteligible way to the post you responded to.

If you want to talk about your..frankly uninteresting..fascination with how you see subjective reality, feel free to start another thread about it.

Well, all of reality is a combination of the subjective and objective.
So how do religion for the "supernatural" parts apparently work?

It is a set of subjective beliefs, which are subjective, but usually claim to be objective.*
These beliefs then lead to further actions/behaviors.
Sometimes these actions/behaviors involve other humans.
The effect on other humans can observed.

That is the short version.

The example I use is the beliefs in witches, which has led to humans being killed for being "witches".

You can do the same with souls, Heaven/Hell and so on. Also for some forms of communism fit, because the claims to objectivity don't work. It is subjective.
In the broad same of these claims within religion, woo-woo, CTs, some forms of politics and morality end the same place.
It is subjective, but claimed to be objective.

*Not all religions do supernatural. Some religions are natural and humanistic.

Now in general some religious people have a point. For non-reductive emergent properties science "runs" into problems, because it likes to reduce them down to the objective. It can't be done for some aspects of the mind. The mind is connected to the brain, but can't be reduced down to only processes in the brain.

Regards
Mikkel

 

[ratiocinator]

The mind is connected to the brain, but can't be reduced down to only processes in the brain.

How do you know?

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

Funny. You being ignorant of science is rather obvious - as is your propensity for making absurd and baseless assertions. If you want to correct your basic ignorance of science in this respect:-

Matter and Energy: A False Dichotomy

As stated, you are confused.
And no wonder, when you choose to believe lies
instead of investigating on your own.

Oh, and the earth is flat...….according to the "science" of that day,
remember that one ?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Well, all of reality is a combination of the subjective and objective.
So how do religion for the "supernatural" parts apparently work?

It is a set of subjective beliefs, which are subjective, but usually claim to be objective.*
These beliefs then lead to further actions/behaviors.
Sometimes these actions/behaviors involve other humans.
The effect on other humans can observed.

That is the short version.

The example I use is the beliefs in witches, which has led to humans being killed for being "witches".

You can do the same with souls, Heaven/Hell and so on. Also for some forms of communism fit, because the claims to objectivity don't work. It is subjective.
In the broad same of these claims within religion, woo-woo, CTs, some forms of politics and morality end the same place.
It is subjective, but claimed to be objective.

*Not all religions do supernatural. Some religions are natural and humanistic.

Yes yes, and Wittgenstein rolls over in his grave. We get it.

Now in general some religious people have a point. For non-reductive emergent properties science "runs" into problems, because it likes to reduce them down to the objective. It can't be done for some aspects of the mind. The mind is connected to the brain, but can't be reduced down to only processes in the brain.

Regards
Mikkel

Nobody said the mind is the brain processes, Mikkel. What I would assert is that there is no good reason based on evidence to suspect there is any other cause for mind than brain.

If you think you can take a break from your waffelly language game for a moment to assert one, I'd be all ears.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

...
Nobody said the mind is the brain processes, Mikkel. What I would assert is that there is no good reason based on evidence to suspect there is any other cause for mind than brain.

...

Yes, caused by, but can't be reduced to for all aspects of the human condition and experience.
If we agree to that, it is over. If not we will continue.