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Are you worried about the Coronavirus outbreak

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Everyone took the word "worry" in my post as "worry about self".

It's the only kind of worry a lot of people are familiar with. :D

As you said look how cities are locking down, check the stock market falling over 1000 points today, companies getting in a bind, etc. Here comes the worry I was referring to.

I'm waiting to see what's going to happen once this virus makes it's way into the third world. Like a Canadian official observed recently (bad quote from memory)"Nobody does a lockdown like China. If they can't contain it we're all screwed".

Well, they haven't been able to contain it. What happens when it shows up somewhere with a weak healthcare system and an incompetent government?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
It's the only kind of worry a lot of people are familiar with. :D



I'm waiting to see what's going to happen once this virus makes it's way into the third world. Like a Canadian official observed recently (bad quote from memory)"Nobody does a lockdown like China. If they can't contain it we're all screwed".

Well, they haven't been able to contain it. What happens when it shows up somewhere with a weak healthcare system and an incompetent government?

Very true. When it gets embedded into a third world country on top of their poor health care, poor nutrition, poor water, poor hygiene, etc,,, it's going to explode at a rate that we can't imagine.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
It's the only kind of worry a lot of people are familiar with. :D



I'm waiting to see what's going to happen once this virus makes it's way into the third world. Like a Canadian official observed recently (bad quote from memory)"Nobody does a lockdown like China. If they can't contain it we're all screwed".

Well, they haven't been able to contain it. What happens when it shows up somewhere with a weak healthcare system and an incompetent government?

On a positive note..

All 16 of Vietnam's coronavirus sufferers cured
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member


Thanks for that, @We Never Know,. A few quotes from your first link:

“It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen in this country any more but a question of when this will happen,” said Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.


The secretary of health and human services delivered an equally sobering message on Tuesday. The secretary, Alex M. Azar II, told a Senate committee, “This is an unprecedented, potentially severe health challenge globally.”

And what I've been trying to tell people for weeks now:
Americans should be ready for a significant disruption to their daily lives.

“We are asking the American public to prepare for the expectation that this might be bad,” Dr. Messonnier said

I don't think most people realize how much easier and cheaper it would be to stock up on food and a few necessities now than it will be if things play out here the way they have in the worst affected places in China ( probably the same could be said for Iran, S. Korea, and Italy too now, although there aren't any reports of shortages in these countries yet).
 
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Yazata

Active Member
Yes, I'm worried.

For one, I don't believe all the talk about this being no worse than the flu. The behavior of the countries concerned just isn't consistent with that. You don't lock down 50 million people just for a new strain of flu. You don't see the disruptions of world travel, the Chinese cities with empty streets, the quarantine camps, the military roadlocks...

So I'm inclined to suspect that the Chinese government knows that this is a lot worse than they are saying. Their biggest priority is preserving social stability and the survival of their regime. So they will do anything possible to prevent panic and civil disorder.

Thus, I don't really trust the official numbers. Rumors out of China are that number of cases is perhaps 10x what we are being told, that people are dying in the streets, and that crematories are running non-stop.

I suspect that the fatality rate is much higher than the official 2% or whatever. We don't really know how long the disease typically lasts once somebody gets it. Seemingly more than a month. So presumably most of those infected in the early days of the epidemic are still ill. We don't really know what their long-term prognosis is.

If we divide the (reported) number of deaths by the (reported) number of cases, we get the widely reported 2% number. But if we divide (reported) number of deaths by the number of cases whose final outcome we know (deaths + recoveries) we get fatality rates ranging upwards of 10% to as much as 90%. (Depending on the numbers available, which I don't believe are reliable, though my guess would be towards the low end of that range. That would be consistent with SARS, which was harder to catch.) Of course if many of the survivors only survive with the help of hospital intensive care (according to the CDC, up to 1/3 of all hospitalized patients will need intensive care ventilation), rates will go up as hospitals are swamped and more people just die at home.

So I don't know what to think, but my gut tells me that it's a lot worse than the media are telling us.

Of course a persuasive counter-argument is that the behavior of most world leaders (outside China) isn't consistent with their believing in the doomsday scenarios. I think that most of them still seemingly trust the WHO numbers which essentially are the official Chinese numbers.

So the tip-off will be when some countries start to go into crisis mode similar to wartime, and when the leadership class around the world starts disappearing into secure guarded facilities. Then economic collapse, empty stores shelves, no more public services, martial law...

For a very realistic portrayal of what I worry might happen, watch the movie Contagion. We are already seeing it starting in China.

 
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Yazata

Active Member
I don't think most people realize how much easier and cheaper it would be to stock up on food and a few necessities now than it will be if things play out here the way they have in the worst affected places in China ( probably the same could be said for Iran, S. Korea, and Italy too now, although there aren't any reports of shortages in these countries yet).

I've started buying frozen and canned food in slightly larger quantities than normally. Nothing like panic buying. If nothing serious happens, I'll still be able to use it.

So if the **** really does hit the fan (I live in Silicon Valley which is overrun by people with China connections so the disease is likely to strike here early) I'll stay at home and avoid physical contact with others, spending more time on the internet I guess. Hopefully it continues working. Power and internet are still up in Wuhan.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Should we in the US be worried just because our infamous, no nothing leader has fired, dismantled the Pandemic chain of command, or put in charge equally no nothings?
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
You don't lock down 50 million people just for a new strain of flu.

Unless it’s a practice run. Something like a fire drill.
I’m not saying it is, or assuming it is, but that would answer your point.
Everybody knows that a truly deadly pandemic is an ever present possibility, possibly an inevitability, whether natural or designed and tactical.

A propos to that - globally, hundreds of thousands of people die from flu every year.

So why is there global panic in 2020 ?
 
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Shad

Veteran Member
Coronavirus outbreak edges closer to pandemic

Coronavirus Cases 77,816
Deaths: 2,360
Countries infected: 32
Recovered: 21,038
Currently Infected Patients: 54,418
In Mild Condition: 42,879
In serious/critical condition: 11,539

Coronavirus Update (Live): 77,816 Cases and 2,360 Deaths from COVID-19 Wuhan China Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

I am not in Canada as the government has setup quarantines for anyone coming from a place near China let alone just China. The quarantine is on an isolated island off the west coast which has a military base. Chances of people getting out is low as transportation is via air or boat.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Thanks for that, @We Never Know,. A few quotes from your first link:






And what I've been trying to tell people for weeks now:


I don't think most people realize how much easier and cheaper it would be to stock up on food and a few necessities now than it will be if things play out here the way they have in the worst affected places in China ( probably the same could be said for Iran, S. Korea, and Italy too now, although there aren't any reports of shortages in these countries yet).

Yep. If people wait until they see sparks before they prepare for fire, odds are they will get burned.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Unless it’s a practice run. Something like a fire drill.
I’m not saying it is, or assuming it is, but that would answer your point.
Everybody knows that a truly deadly pandemic is an ever present possibility, possibly an inevitability, whether natural or designed and tactical.

A propos to that - globally, hundreds of thousands of people die from flu every year.

So why is there global panic in 2020 ?

IMO the panic arose because
-it was a new strain
-they didn't know how to treat it
-its deadly
-it spread rather quickly
-its in many countries
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
IMO the panic arose because
-it was a new strain
-they didn't know how to treat it
-its deadly
-it spread rather quickly
-its in many countries

That is all true of influenza.

-There are new strains regularly.
-We have minimally effective vaccines, so we don’t yet know how to treat flu.
-Flu is deadly. Mainly to the old, the very young, and the infirm. Just like Covid-19.
-Flu spreads quickly.
-Flu is everywhere.

What’s the difference ?
Seriously...what is the difference ?

So, again...

A propos to that - globally, hundreds of thousands of people die from flu every year.

So why is there global panic in 2020 ?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
That is all true of influenza.

-There are new strains regularly.
-We have minimally effective vaccines, so we don’t yet know how to treat flu.
-Flu is deadly. Mainly to the old, the very young, and the infirm. Just like Covid-19.
-Flu spreads quickly.
-Flu is everywhere.

What’s the difference ?
Seriously...what is the difference ?

So, again...

Do you ever try using Google?

https://www-hopkinsmedicine-org.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&amp=true&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=15827351351309&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu


Differences: COVID-19 and the Flu

Cause
COVID-19: Caused by one virus, the novel 2019 coronavirus, now called severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, or SARS-CoV-2.

Flu: Caused by any of several different types and strains of influenza viruses.

Transmission
While both the flu and COVID-19 may be transmitted in similar ways (see the Similarities section above), there is also a possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route, meaning that tiny droplets remaining in the air could cause disease in others even after the ill person is no longer near.

Antiviral Medications
COVID-19: Antiviral medications are currently being tested to see if they can address symptoms.

Flu: Antiviral medications can address symptoms and sometimes shorten the duration of the illness.

Vaccine
COVID-19: No vaccine is available at this time, though it is in progress.

Flu: A vaccine is available and effective to prevent some of the most dangerous types or to reduce the severity of the flu.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
No mate, I’m a total dumbf***.

Have you ever tried replying without being an insulting **** ?

Lol.

I replied to your question the first time with an IMO answer. You again asked the same question.

I then googled it for you, posted it with a link which you could have done for yourself just as easily as I did.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
No, I'm not worried about it... yet. Even if it hits this area, other than taking recommended precautions, worrying about it won't change it.

Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matthew 6:34

The unwise man is awake all night,
and ponders everything over;
when morning comes he is weary in mind,
and all is a burden as ever.
Hávamál 23
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
Lol.

I replied to your question the first time with an IMO answer. You again asked the same question.

I then googled it for you, posted it with a link which you could have done for yourself just as easily as I did.

I answered you in a very civil way, with dot points to correspond to yours.

I’ve googled plenty. Probably more than the average punter.
Even ‘experts’ disagree about a lot of things. You can cherry pick ‘experts’ on any subject.

If you begin a reply with an arrogant put down, expect to be reminded that you are being an arrogant ****.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I answered you in a very civil way, with dot points to correspond to yours.

I’ve googled plenty. Probably more than the average punter.
Even ‘experts’ disagree about a lot of things. You can cherry pick ‘experts’ on any subject.

If you begin a reply with an arrogant put down, expect to be reminded that you are being an arrogant ****.

Not going to bicker with you. From now on if and when you ask anything, I will kindly reply with "Google" as the answer. Have a good day.
 
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