Evolution My ToE

[YoursTrue]

When you make your final judgement, please let me know. And pass it on to God for me, since it doesn't sound like it is looking to good for me in your eyes.

It's amazing, you say you are a Christian but have provided no basis for that idea, instead you show you don't believe Jesus.

 

[YoursTrue]

It is my understanding that God can do what He chooses to do and doesn't need my approval or that I even be aware. What I cannot do is provide evidence to argue my beliefs as facts. My belief in Christ cannot be demonstrated by bringing the dead to life in an experiment of my own design and I am not going to explain that to someone as if I can demonstrate it. I can explain that I believe. I can even try to explain why. But I cannot show them my beliefs are facts. A person of another religion can be the believingest believer of their faith too, but in demonstrating, we share the same boat. Other Christians are there with me on the lanai deck of that boat.

I am quite sure many profess belief but really negate that claim by saying that Jesus believed an allegory but spoke it as if it were true. And of course, you claim you believe in Christ, but so far I haven't seen you say you believe the lineage as written about him. How could you believe in the gospel accounts of his lineage if you think the account of Adam and Eve are myths? I mean what makes you think you are a Christian? So far silence on your part about that. The only answer I glean from you is that you just like what you think you like about Jesus but deny the truth of what he said. Ok. I understand, thanks for the conversation.

 

[3rdAngel]

as the scriptures say, there's good fruit and rotten fruit. There's a lot in the Bible about sin but now I wonder if you think there is sin anyway and what it says about Christ and sin. The Bible doesn't say bonobos or the LCA sinned, does it? Have a good night.

I'm just wondering what parts of the Bible you believe, like distinct things such as God's voice being heard from heaven. After all, again wondering what parts of the Bible you believe since there is a genealogy listed about Jesus, for one thing.

What I find amazing is all these people professing Christianity yet they do not believe the scriptures which is the only thing that determines what a Christian is. I have met quite a few here like that. Good luck trying to get answers to your answers to your questions. Been there and done that. As the scriptures teach, by their fruits you shall know them.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It's amazing, you say you are a Christian but have provided no basis for that idea, instead you show you don't believe Jesus.

Is it possible that you are not reading my posts? It would seem so, if you have come to this conclusion.

Ah well, you must be a true Christian. How can I argue with your judgement of me. You even said you weren't judging me to boot. How can I argue with that?

Let me see. I believe in the Bible, but not with a literal view or elevating it to an idol following the admonishment from doing so in the Commandments. I believe in Jesus. I accepted Jesus as my Saviour likely before you were born. I do not lie to myself or accept interpretations and doctrine of man without question. I guess if you say none of that means I am a Christian, then what am I to do? I suppose I could pray, but I won't get any answers from you true Christians that way.

it is a good thing you mentioned you were not judging me, since my observation of the evidence would lead to a different conclusion.

Please tell me what it takes to be Christian, so I can judge others too.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What I find amazing is all these people professing Christianity yet they do not believe the scriptures which is the only thing that determines what a Christian is. I have met quite a few here like that. Good luck trying to get answers to your answers to your questions. Been there and done that. As the scriptures teach, by their fruits you shall know them.

What I find amazing is that you haven't professed your position as the new messiah.

I have given better answers than anything you provided for my questions.

Prove what you say is a fact and not just your personal belief in your own interpretation. Prove that you have the authority to judge other Christians in God's name using your personal interpretation of shut up and move along. I already am aware of the "love" you share.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I am quite sure many profess belief but really negate that claim by saying that Jesus believed an allegory but spoke it as if it were true. And of course, you claim you believe in Christ, but so far I haven't seen you say you believe the lineage as written about him. How could you believe in the gospel accounts of his lineage if you think the account of Adam and Eve are myths? I mean what makes you think you are a Christian? So far silence on your part about that. The only answer I glean from you is that you just like what you think you like about Jesus but deny the truth of what he said. Ok. I understand, thanks for the conversation.

So you do claim to know what others believe in their hearts and what God knows about them.

Amazing. I cannot. You true Christians are living miracles.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I am quite sure many profess belief but really negate that claim by saying that Jesus believed an allegory but spoke it as if it were true. And of course, you claim you believe in Christ, but so far I haven't seen you say you believe the lineage as written about him. How could you believe in the gospel accounts of his lineage if you think the account of Adam and Eve are myths? I mean what makes you think you are a Christian? So far silence on your part about that. The only answer I glean from you is that you just like what you think you like about Jesus but deny the truth of what he said. Ok. I understand, thanks for the conversation.

I do not think you understand. It is not even clear that you read all of what I posted. I am sure I do not meet your measure of Christianity, but I am not as true a Christian as you must be and did not know I had to pass your judgement.

 

[3rdAngel]

I am quite sure many profess belief but really negate that claim by saying that Jesus believed an allegory but spoke it as if it were true. And of course, you claim you believe in Christ, but so far I haven't seen you say you believe the lineage as written about him. How could you believe in the gospel accounts of his lineage if you think the account of Adam and Eve are myths? I mean what makes you think you are a Christian? So far silence on your part about that. The only answer I glean from you is that you just like what you think you like about Jesus but deny the truth of what he said. Ok. I understand, thanks for the conversation.

Well this is the problem. I believe many of these "professed Christians" run with athiest groups that do not believe the scriptures and attack the scriptures and when asked if they believe the scriptures you will never get a direct answer. Yet we know that for a "christian" we are saved by faith in God's Word. The same people seek to teach against this very same word when it is only through the Word of God that we have salvation. I believe the scriptures teach without faith it is impossible to please God and whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Now if faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. How can you have faith when there is no Word. I believe this is the fruit of "unbelievers" not "christians" according to the scriptures. Do away with the scriptures they say and profess "christianity". Yet it is by their fruits we are told you will know them. That is those who are "chrisitian" and those who are not.

Thanks for trying to help.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What I find amazing is all these people professing Christianity yet they do not believe the scriptures which is the only thing that determines what a Christian is. I have met quite a few here like that. Good luck trying to get answers to your answers to your questions. Been there and done that. As the scriptures teach, by their fruits you shall know them.

By your fruits, I have come to know you. The fruit does not match the hype. That you had to come over to this thread from spite is poor fruit.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Well this is the problem many of these "professed Christians" run with athiest groups that do not believe the scriptures and when asked if they believe the scriptures you will never get a direct answer. Yet we know that for a "christian" we are saved by faith in God's Word. The same people seek to teach against this very same word when it is only through the Word of God that we have salvation. I believe the scriptures teach without faith it is impossible to please God and whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Now if faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. How can you have faith when there is no Word. This is the fruit of unbelievers. Do away with the scriptures and profess "christianity". By their fruits you will know them.

Thanks for trying to help.

I don't have the benefit of mindlessly accepting your interpretation as God's word on earth lord. Do you require some sort of sacrifice or should I just throw out logic and reason and believe your personal opinion and assumptions without question? Do you have a ring to kiss or am I supposed to kiss something else?

Should I just consider your opinion as infallible? That is what you are saying isn't it? That your opinion of scripture is better than any other opinion and that observations should be ignored when they cannot be explained in the context of scripture? That you know more about other religions than the people that live and learned them? Your message is so true and humble?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Well this is the problem. I believe many of these "professed Christians" run with athiest groups that do not believe the scriptures and attack the scriptures and when asked if they believe the scriptures you will never get a direct answer. Yet we know that for a "christian" we are saved by faith in God's Word. The same people seek to teach against this very same word when it is only through the Word of God that we have salvation. I believe the scriptures teach without faith it is impossible to please God and whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Now if faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. How can you have faith when there is no Word. I believe this is the fruit of "unbelievers" not "christians" according to the scriptures. Do away with the scriptures they say and profess "christianity". Yet it is by their fruits we are told you will know them. That is those who are "chrisitian" and those who are not.

Thanks for trying to help.

Would it be amusing to find that an examination of his beliefs does not measure up to yours?

I am a Christian and have been one for decades. I will remain one. Prove that you know I am not. Please provide proof of how you know and that God has given me into your judgement.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Belief based so called origin science are demonic fables

Here comes the conspiracy "argument".
Wonderful.

Employing Last Thursdayism "logic" wasn't enough already... No, one must also accuse the scientific community of being involved in some worldwide "satanic" conspiracy as well.

It's almost like you do your outmost very best to make sure your overall credibility is as low as it can possibly get.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Wait til you get a load of the BS 3rdangel shovels....

It is too bad that it is not useful fertilizer for growing good fruit.

 

[McBell]

He does more for Milton's Satan before 8 am than all the legions of Hell get done all day.

Though I would love to see how long before they start going at each other with verses.
The egos will clash sooner or later and it is always entertaining to see two egomaniacs go at it.
Especially over their versions of the Bible.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Though I would love to see how long before they start going at each other with verses.
The egos will clash sooner or later and it is always entertaining to see two egomaniacs go at it.
Especially over their versions of the Bible.

I have wondered that too. Egos that size do not leave much room for crowding. I am always curious to see if there is room for practicing what is preached or is it just about finding everyone else unfit.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

He does more for Milton's Satan before 8 am than all the legions of Hell get done all day.

I rather enjoyed Dante more. There were an inordinately large number of Italians in Hell, but Satan was treated as the greatest prisoner and not some king on earth.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The fact that man and most animals could not leave fossil remains in the former nature supports creation as decribed in the bible and the fossil record.

The evidence is ratios of isotopes basically, as well as a number of other things that all premise upon nature being the same always. The evidence alone is not dating anything for the far past. Only your beliefs foisted and imposed onto evidence makes things seem old inside your head.
False. If by magical you mean rapid and not seen today in nature, then this is supported by bible evidence. We know when creation was and when the flood was approx. The evolving that did happen had to be rapid.
Correct. And evolution in the past was not only rapid but probably occurred without any descent, that is, to the living creatures. So your attempts to claim common ancestry are shown to also rest on your one trick pony same nature in the past belief.

Except that they have.
Human Fossils

You have to deny reality at every turn, it seems.

 

[dad]

Here comes the conspiracy "argument".
Wonderful.

Not like I would expect you to be able to confirm or deny inspiration.

Employing Last Thursdayism "logic" wasn't enough already..

That reminds me, one trick of evos (and Satan) is to accuse others of what they themselves are guilty of.
It may be hard to face, but you have failed repeatedly to support the same nature in the past that you fanatically insist on using in modeling the past. That makes any claims based on this a denial of anything beyond the recent past.
Shoe, meet foot.

. No, one must also accuse the scientific community of being involved in some worldwide "satanic" conspiracy as well.

Try to get a grip. What posters have suggested is that most scientists in origins fields would not be knowingly involved. (like useful idiots). Like actors, they more or less just memorize the lines given to them. I happen to know the writer.

It's almost like you do your outmost very best to make sure your overall credibility is as low as it can possibly get.

Your problem with choosing to believe lies on your end. Since you do not believe God, Scripture, the apostles, or prophets or history, or Believers, I would be quite concerned if you believed me.

 

[dad]

Do you think that God wants you to suppress any knowledge you can demonstrate as valid?

Any 'knowledge' that opposes, and exalts itself over God, yes. Of course. Resist evil. Be not overcome of evil. Lean not to your own understanding.

 

[dad]

Except that they have.
Human Fossils

You have to deny reality at every turn, it seems.

? Why would I deny post flood man? Of course we evolved a lot adapting to the new nature and world! (that being said, science can't tell a post flood human from a monkey/ape skull!)

There could have been little 'Lucys' mucking around the garden of Eden, and chatting with Adam.