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Your family in Hell whilst you're in Heaven?
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Terry Sampson
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Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
Altfish
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I don't know your family, but I assume they are good people. People who if they believed in your god would get into heaven.
This is where the whole heaven and hell thing falls apart, a mass murderer who repents on his deathbed and accepts JC gets into heaven, But you well behaved family who are atheists don't
Yes, Heaven and Hell are man made inventions used to control the masses.
WhyIsThatSo
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My question is how you can even claim to be a Christian, when it's obvious that you have NEVER heard the "gospel" (good news) .
The "gospel" (good news) is a certain message, that a certain "messenger" came to this world to proclaim to all those who can
"hear" (understand) what it means. But no one will "hear" it until they are ready to .
Until then you will just keep coming back here after you die (reincarnation), until you acquire enough knowledge and can "hear".
The "gospel" (good news) is a message that was sent to us by our "Father". It says this place is not where we belong, and that there is another place where everything is perfect. The place we came from long, long ago, before we were "enticed" here by a "god" who thinks (arrogantly and mistakenly) that he is the ultimate source of all creation.
Actually this physical creation (universe) is his. That's WHY this place is so messed up. Because he is not perfect like the Father.
And he is not perfect like we are. We are children of the Father. So out of envy and jealousy he keeps us here "asleep" (spiritually), until we wake up.
This "gospel" (good news) was brought to us by a man that lived about 2000 years ago. I'm sure you have heard of him even if you can't
"hear" what he says. The message he taught was the "kingdom of God" ( the other place where our true home and Father are ).
Of course, they killed the messenger, like they always do. BUT THEY CAN NEVER KILL THE MESSAGE
Terry Sampson
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If so, they're not working too well and haven't for a very long time.
Nimos
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Depends how you look at it. It is said that there are no suffering in heaven. So at least as I see, God would have to remove the memory of your family while they are in hell to not cause you to suffer. Im not really sure how else he would do it, but are open for suggestions?
This obviously lead to the question, what the purpose of this life is anyway, if you can't remember anything from it, as it would be pretty confusing only being able to remember the good things, So really not sure, how its suppose to work.
A far more interesting question and not sure if you have already asked yourself this or not.
But do you think that your family deserve to go to hell, simply for not believing in God?
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Heyo
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According to Christian philosophy you are a dual being, body and soul. Your body obviously stays and rots in the physical real, at least until the "resurrection in the flesh". That means that only your soul goes to heaven. Do you know what a soul is? Especially, do you know if your memories are connected to your brain (physical body) or your soul? I don't the bible that well but I have never heard that question answered. Most likely you wouldn't remember your family in heaven, according to scripture.
I don't believe anyone deserves to go to Hell for not believing in God
But I'm concerned that the rules say that God thinks otherwise
Altfish
Veteran Member
Only because since they were invented education has come on leaps and bounds
Erebus
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A few questions for you to consider:
Do you believe that God is merciful?
Do you believe that God loves us all?
Do you believe that God is good?
If you answered yes to any of those questions then I would argue that eternal Hell is completely out of character for such a being. I don't believe a god like that would allow eternal suffering to exist at all, let alone condemn people to it.
Nimos
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2 Corinthians 6:14-15
14 Stop becoming unevenly yoked with unbelievers. What partnership can righteousness have with lawlessness? What fellowship can light have with darkness?
15 What harmony exists between the Messiah and Beliar, or what do a believer and an unbeliever have in common?
John 3:18
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God's unique Son.
Revelation 21:8
8 But people who are cowardly, unfaithful, detestable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars will find themselves in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death."
One can at least argue that unbelievers or unfaithful are not being compared with those that we normally consider the best people out there. Especially Revelation is rather clear that God do not like them and that they should burn in what I guess could be referred to as hell.
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lostwanderingsoul
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None of these verses uses the word tortured. If you are burned up, then last punishment last forever. Satan is a spirit ans will not die but humans are not the same. Humans can be destroyed.
lostwanderingsoul
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Maybe he wants non Christians to give their ideas. This cannot be done in the Christian DIR
Cooky
Veteran Member
If that's your opinion, that the soul can be destroyed, then that's your opinion.
...It's not scriptural though.
lostwanderingsoul
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The carnal man cannot know or understand the things of God. You have to have a change of heart.
Writing from a Christian perspective or a perspective of ' Christendom ' ( so-called Christian )
So-called hell fire ( a religion of fear/ fright ) scare tactics used by false clergy to try to control the Flock of God.
After all, who would want to worship a vengeful God who burns sinners forever in flames ___________
The 'Bible's hell' teaches it is simply mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead.
For example: Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14.
Thus, in the Bible we find No such place of everlasting torture as false clergy erroneously teach.
What we do find is that after everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up ' (meaning resurrected out of hell/ grave )
then, emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated biblical hell / grave.
Sure, some of the ' saved/delivered/rescued ' are resurrected to heaven.
Those resurrected ones are like the people of Luke 22:28-30; Daniel 7:18; Revelation 20:6; 2:10; 5:9-10.
Whereas, the majority of mankind (John 3:13) can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection on Earth.
This takes place during Jesus' coming 1,000-year reign over Earth.
This is also why the ' future tense' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection....
So, what a person does 'after' they are resurrected will determine everlasting life on Earth or not.
As far as the wicked are concerned, as Psalms 92:7 says the wicked will be ' destroyed forever.'
We are given the choice, Not between bliss and pain, but to repent if we don't want to ' perish ' (be destroyed) - 2 Peter 3:9.
Cooky
Veteran Member
I do wonder why you say, ' it's not scriptural though '_______________
I find it is scriptural because Jesus is clear at Matthew 10:28 to be afraid of Him who is able to 'destroy' both soul and body in hell (Gehenna) .
This would also be why gospel writer Luke would write at Acts of the Apostles 3:23 that the soul can be destroyed.
The wicked are destined for -> eternal destruction - Psalms 92:7 (Douay 91:8-9)
lostwanderingsoul
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Mark 9:48 If you burn some garbage and do not throw water on it, the fire is not quenched. But when the garbage is all burned up, the fire goes out because there is nothing left to burn. The garbage is not being punished, it is being destroyed. Same with the wicked.
Terry Sampson
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The questions that he asked are specific to Christianity. The ideas that non-Christians offer will range from meaningless to irrelevant to counter-constructive.