If you believe in love, you believe in God

[MonkeyFire]

And the relevance of that is ?

Christians can be evil and go to hell.

 

[1213]

Hmmm... so God is a human emotion produced in our brains that motivates us to find mates and other companionship?

Why think love is emotion? In Bible love is not an emotion. It seems to me that many people mix love to like. Like and love are not the same. Love is more like caring without conditions.

 

[sciatica]

And what do either of those have to do with God? Once again, poetry and art are human endeavors, not supernatural beings.



Poetry, literature, and art are definitely important aspects of human life. But they are neither 'true' nor supernatural.

And what do either of those have to do with God? Once again, poetry and art are human endeavors, not supernatural beings.



Poetry, literature, and art are definitely important aspects of human life. But they are neither 'true' nor supernatural.

The best art has an ineffable quality. The mystery of God.
I can see by your style of communication , you dont get it. And interestingly this is why many dont believe in God. They dont have the eyes of an artist. So really we are speaking different languages.
So no amount of argument or debate is going to change anyone. Faith is experiential not deductive or linear.
It requires fresh eyes.

 

[sciatica]

Scientists want to put God under a microscope. Study Him. Analyse Him. Then write their report and give their verdict. They are almost slaves to process.
God exists outside their narrow paradigm.

 

[ChristineM]

Christians can be evil and go to hell.

Cool, you would never realise that when speaking to most christians

 

[MonkeyFire]

Cool, you would never realise that when speaking to most christians

They're sadistic God mongers

 

[ChristineM]

They're sadistic God mongers

Still christian though.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Scientists want to put God under a microscope. Study Him. Analyse Him. Then write their report and give their verdict. They are almost slaves to process.
God exists outside their narrow paradigm.

Proving the existence of God is not the same as believing in God, and YHWH is explicit.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Still christian though.

They're anti-christians. God warned us of false believers.

Matt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

 

[ChristineM]

They're anti-christians.

Nope, definitely christian.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

Ha, I can write, and think, circles, ellipses, and oblate cycloids
around you any time.
And I could buy everything you own and donate it to Goodwill.
Plus you is ugly.

well.....one out of three aint bad I guess..
you got the "ugly" part right anyway.....lol

 

[Windwalker]

Scientists want to put God under a microscope. Study Him. Analyse Him. Then write their report and give their verdict.

I think what is more accurate is to say that the general unwashed masses who find religion troublesome, want science to have something to say to this area. That's of course, a major fallacy that real scientists know isn't doing real science. But it's popular to expect science to know everything, considering how successful they are with the things they can do. The church failed as the absolute authority for them, so now they look to science to tell them the truth of everything, if not now, then surely in the future they will be able to. Goes the line of thinking.

In reality, for the skeptic as well as the believer with their silly apologetics trying to "prove God", are imaging God in the same way. As a Yeti type, supernatural creature. I've always said, the surest way to kill God, is to reduce it to an object for study like an ET, or something, laid out in a lab with tubes in it. Yet this is precisely how the "True believer" and the atheist, generally speaking, tend to view God. All arguments for or against, see God as an entity, a being, a creature, etc., all of which see God as external to themselves.

In reality, God is considered Infinite. Every time I have challenged this view of God as a creature, an entity, or "a being" of some sort, wholly outside one's self, I get no answer to this challenge: If God is Infinite, that is without any boundaries or limitations, then how can it be outside of you, or outside of creation itself? Are their holes in this Infinite God, like a block of Swiss cheese? If so, then God cannot be Infinite at all. There are places where God is not. God is not God, but a god, like Bigfoot, only more elusive.

 

[Audie]

well.....one out of three aint bad I guess..
you got the "ugly" part right anyway.....lol

Sorry ah, but, no, I got the circles, ellipses,
and the oblate cycloids correct.

The "ugly" part is subjective. If it
were a fact, we'd have the subjunctive.

 

[Audie]

I think what is more accurate is to say that the general unwashed masses who find religion troublesome, want science to have something to say to this area. That's of course, a major fallacy that real scientists know isn't doing real science. But it's popular to expect science to know everything, considering how successful they are with the things they can do. The church failed as the absolute authority for them, so now they look to science to tell them the truth of everything, if not now, then surely in the future they will be able to. Goes the line of thinking.

In reality, for the skeptic as well as the believer with their silly apologetics trying to "prove God", are imaging God in the same way. As a Yeti type, supernatural creature. I've always said, the surest way to kill God, is to reduce it to an object for study like an ET, or something, laid out in a lab with tubes in it. Yet this is precisely how the "True believer" and the atheist, generally speaking, tend to view God. All arguments for or against, see God as an entity, a being, a creature, etc., all of which see God as external to themselves.

In reality, God is considered Infinite. Every time I have challenged this view of God as a creature, an entity, or "a being" of some sort, wholly outside one's self, I get no answer to this challenge: If God is Infinite, that is without any boundaries or limitations, then how can it be outside of you, or outside of creation itself? Are their holes in this Infinite God, like a block of Swiss cheese? If so, then God cannot be Infinite at all. There are places where God is not. God is not God, but a god, like Bigfoot, only more elusive.

Depends on who is doing the considering
Some of us consider him the opposite of infinite.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

Sorry ah, but, no, I got the circles, ellipses,
and the oblate cycloids correct.

The "ugly" part is subjective. If it
were a fact, we'd have the subjunctive.

No.....the ugly part is indicative (trust me)..
and you stated the subjunctive mood with your original post.

and , can I count this as a "circle" ?

 

[SigurdReginson]

I think what is more accurate is to say that the general unwashed masses who find religion troublesome, want science to have something to say to this area. That's of course, a major fallacy that real scientists know isn't doing real science. But it's popular to expect science to know everything, considering how successful they are with the things they can do. The church failed as the absolute authority for them, so now they look to science to tell them the truth of everything, if not now, then surely in the future they will be able to. Goes the line of thinking.

In reality, for the skeptic as well as the believer with their silly apologetics trying to "prove God", are imaging God in the same way. As a Yeti type, supernatural creature. I've always said, the surest way to kill God, is to reduce it to an object for study like an ET, or something, laid out in a lab with tubes in it. Yet this is precisely how the "True believer" and the atheist, generally speaking, tend to view God. All arguments for or against, see God as an entity, a being, a creature, etc., all of which see God as external to themselves.

In reality, God is considered Infinite. Every time I have challenged this view of God as a creature, an entity, or "a being" of some sort, wholly outside one's self, I get no answer to this challenge: If God is Infinite, that is without any boundaries or limitations, then how can it be outside of you, or outside of creation itself? Are their holes in this Infinite God, like a block of Swiss cheese? If so, then God cannot be Infinite at all. There are places where God is not. God is not God, but a god, like Bigfoot, only more elusive.

Hmmm. What separates this god from the human imagination? Anyone can say what qualities a god has if it were to exist, which is all well and good, but why should anyone take those ideas of god seriously? What places this god outside of the human imagination, and into the real world? Seems to have as much in common with any other god concept, from primitive bronze age anthropomorphized gods to the aetherial, vaguely deistic gods of today.

I struggle to see the value in believing in it.

 

[Audie]

No.....the ugly part is indicative (trust me)..
and you stated the subjunctive mood with your original post.

and , can I count this as a "circle" ?

I wonder why so few Americans care about their
language enough to try to use it properly.

 

[Windwalker]

Depends on who is doing the considering
Some of us consider him the opposite of infinite.

But how do you define that "him" you just cited, in order to claim that "him" is non-existent? You have to start somewhere. You have a gender pronoun applied to it, so clearly there is an idea in your mind. Generally him, means a person other than yourself, and one of male gender. So that's two ideas already, both make God an external entity from yourself. Where did you get those ideas from?

 

[Audie]

Hmmm. What separates this god from the human imagination? Anyone can say what qualities a god has if it were to exist, which is all well and good, but why should anyone take those ideas of god seriously? What places this god outside of the human imagination, and into the real world? Seems to have as much in common with any other god concept, from primitive bronze age anthropomorphized gods to the aetherial, vaguely deistic gods of today.

I struggle to see the value in believing in it.

Ha. Why dont you quit struggling?

 

[Audie]

But how do you define that "him" you just cited, in order to claim that "him" is non-existent? You have to start somewhere. You have a gender pronoun applied to it, so clearly there is an idea in your mind. Generally him, means a person other than yourself, and one of male gender. So that's two ideas already, both make God an external entity from yourself. Where did you get those ideas from?

Come now. I am just using you guys' lingos as a matter of
custom and convenience.

A theist prob. is overthinking things.

Howsabout I just say this here supernatural monster you guys
keep talking about dont exist, being the opposite of infinite.