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Why Jesus is a God

TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
1. likewise but
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.




2. Untrue literally.

Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Joh 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Joh 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
Joh 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
Joh 16:31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?




3. Untrue he prepared his only begotten son himself as the Father of Nations had prepared his only begotten son himself being a shadow of things to come.

Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.



4. Works and Will of The Father that dwell within him because he does them.

Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.



5. Which is of the God and Father of our lord in origination and us being offspring of God have no excuse. But how can ye believe?

Col 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?



6. I have not noticed such language or word usage. If you read verse 13 it is his dear son and our lord that is the image or representation of the invisible God; Not Lord God the only true God and God and Father of our lord. Our God never literally died

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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You are just quoting a bunch of verses with little explanation of the points you are trying to make.

Explain how since God is invisible, he is the image. You can't see something that is invisible. So in what way is he the image?
Note: There is a big difference in being made in the image of God and actually being the image of God.

John 6:45 Right - they are being taught of God because he was God. That is why if they have heard and learned of the Father they came to him.

John 6:46 Right - He which is of God, he hath seen the Father. (If you have seen me you have seen the Father. John 14:9 ) DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT HE SAID, THAT WHEN THEY SAW HIM THEY WERE SEEING THE FATHER??
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Only 1 throne in Revelation 3:21.........
My reading comprehension shows two (2) thrones.
' me in my throne ' is one throne.
' my Father in His throne ' is another throne.
Jesus has his one throne and his Father has His own throne.
One throne plus one throne equals two thrones to me.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Explain how since God is invisible, he is the image. You can't see something that is invisible. So in what way is he the image?
Note: There is a big difference in being made in the image of God and actually being the image of God.
John 6:46 Right - He which is of God, he hath seen the Father. (If you have seen me you have seen the Father. John 14:9 ) DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT HE SAID, THAT WHEN THEY SAW HIM THEY WERE SEEING THE FATHER??
Sometimes we can see or discern with the mind's eye.
John 14:9 is in connection to how united Jesus was with his Father
At John 12:44-45 Jesus already stated to believe Not on me (Jesus) but on Him that sent me.
So, in that sense then the one who sees Jesus sees Him that sent Jesus.(Jesus did Not send himself)
If we continue reading to John 14:28 Jesus is clear that his Father is greater than I (Jesus) .
Previously, at John 10:29 Jesus is clear that his Father is greater than ALL.
So, when Jesus says at John 10:30 'I and the Father are one' they are one in the sense of John 17:11,21-23.
Jesus was Not praying that his followers also be God but that they were all one in unity, belief, agreement, goal, etc.

Since God is a Spirit Being we do Not see the invisible, so in what way is Jesus the image is in the fact that Jesus reflected his Father's qualities such as: love, justice, wisdom and mercy.
We too can reflect such qualities or attributes to various degrees.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I have posted Colossians 1:15 many times. It can't be as you are saying - a reflection as a mirror. God is invisible, so the image in the mirror would be invisible............
If he was not God, how did he create everything as Colossians 1:16 says? When we know that it was YHWH who created all things. And YHWH said he was alone and by himself? Isaiah 44:24

Interesting to say that someone who is invisible would Not be reflected in a mirror.
Jesus was Not reflecting what could be physically seen, but spiritual things reflected.
Jesus was fully mirroring his Father's qualities ( A chip off the Old Block ) .
Jesus was reflecting God's spiritual qualities or attributes such as: love, justice mercy and wisdom., etc.
Kind of like the fruitage of God's spirit is Not literal fruit, but as found listed at Galatians 5:22-23.
They are Not physical qualities to be cultivated but 'spiritual' qualities or attributes.

How did Jesus create everything is because Jesus is part of the 'us' of Genesis 1:26.
Jesus gives all the credit to his Father at Revelation 4:11.
His Father was never ' first born ' of every creature or creation. - Colossians 1:15 B.
Scripture teaches God is from everlasting (Meaning No beginning ) at Psalms 90:2.
Whereas, pre-human Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God - Revelation 3:12.
So, only God was ' before ' the beginning, and Jesus was Not ' before ' the beginning as his Father was.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
1. likewise but
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.







2. Untrue literally.
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Joh 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Joh 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
Joh 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
Joh 16:31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?




3. Untrue he prepared his only begotten son himself as the Father of Nations had prepared his only begotten son himself being a shadow of things to come.

Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.



4. Works and Will of The Father that dwell within him because he does them.

Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.



5. Which is of the God and Father of our lord in origination and us being offspring of God have no excuse. But how can ye believe?

Col 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?



6. I have not noticed such language or word usage. If you read verse 13 it is his dear son and our lord that is the image or representation of the invisible God; Not Lord God the only true God and God and Father of our lord. Our God never literally died

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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John 7:38 is in connection to John 4:10: John 4:14 that who ever drinks of the ' spiritual ' water from Jesus will be in him a 'well of water' springing up into everlasting life', - so drink up my friend ! (Exodus 17:6)
So, that figurative ' belly ' (John 7:38) is just showing us just how very deep inside of us that spiritual water can be.
 

Iymus

Active Member
John 7:38 is in connection to John 4:10: John 4:14 that who ever drinks of the ' spiritual ' water from Jesus will be in him a 'well of water' springing up into everlasting life', - so drink up my friend ! (Exodus 17:6)
So, that figurative ' belly ' (John 7:38) is just showing us just how very deep inside of us that spiritual water can be.

1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

1. "John 7:38" is in connection to every verse that speaks of him. Not exclusively to every verse that you can use to imply and personally interpret that Jesus is Lord God and the only true God.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Jesus is Not LORD God - Psalms 110
Nathanael believed Jesus is Son - John 1:49
Peter, as spokesman for the 12, believed Jesus is Son - John 6:69
Jesus believed he is Son at John 10:36
Martha believed Jesus is son at John 11:27
John believed Jesus is Son at John 20:31
Even the devils know who Jesus is according to Luke 4:41.
 

Iymus

Active Member
Jesus is Not LORD God - Psalms 110

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

1. Proves that The Lord our God known as The Lord or only Lord God is distinct and separate from David's lord who is our lord. And we are lord of our wives according to 1 Cor 11:3.

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

1Ti 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

2Co 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Even the devils know who Jesus is according to Luke 4:41.

2. Only Begotten Son of God and not God himself

Luk 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

The devils and the only begotten son also know that faith without the works of God our Father is dead.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.


3. Lord of Heaven and Earth is our God himself not a lesser lord or head.

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Joh 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

4.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
 
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cataway

Well-Known Member
I have posted Colossians 1:15 many times. It can't be as you are saying - a reflection as a mirror. God is invisible, so the image in the mirror would be invisible. The answer is God was dwelling in that body, so that body was the image God took on. When you looked at him you would be seeing God manifest in the flesh. That is why he said if you have seen me you have seen the Father.

How could he exist before he was born? Galatians 4:4 says he was made of a woman, made under the law. God was the one that has always existed. When the time was right, God took on flesh and shed his blood for mankind.

What you don't seem to see, is that it is not dealing with two people, but the eternal Spirit and the flesh. The Father is the eternal Spirit and the Son is the flesh, but it is not two different persons. God called the flesh he took on the Son, and so people think it was another person.

Answer this for me. Who was the first and the last? Isaiah 44:6 (YHWH says he is.) vs. Revelation 22:12-13 (You can't have two, that are both the first and the last, unless they are one and the same.)

If he was not God, how did he create everything as Colossians 1:16 says? When we know that it was YHWH who created all things. And YHWH said he was alone and by himself? Isaiah 44:24
if I under stand you correctly ,you didn't know that Jesus was the first and the last thing that the most high God made completely by him self ?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
if I under stand you correctly ,you didn't know that Jesus was the first and the last thing that the most high God made completely by him self ?
Yes, Jesus was the beginning of the creation by God as per Revelation 3:14 B
And ' after ' God created His only-begotten heavenly Son then ALL things come through Jesus as per Colossians 1:16.
This is why pre-human Jesus is part of the 'us' of Genesis 1:26
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
It does.

God/Creator is christ's father.
Christ/Savior is the creator's son

The son doing his creator's will by itself differentiates the son from the father.



He always put his father/creator above him. He's the medium "between" creator and man.

There we go:

It's like if you, Muffled, had a child and you were trying to tell that child about his grandfather/your father George since the latter passed away...

So you want your child to know about their grandfather George. You tell them stories and even tell them about what George told you say about family traditions you would like to see pass down to your family's next generations.

You are the medium between the child and their grandfather.

Either they can see you as their grandfather because that's the only way they know about George is through you.

Or they can see you and their grandfather separately (father and son) but still acknowledge both as equally important.

Biblically, it's the latter but unless christians want to replace 21st morals, laws, and so forth with BC, I'm sure you can appreciate one over another without needing to mix the two so they can be both at the same time (de ja vu).



That's why god/creator and jesus/son are not the same. It would be an insult if they were.



Depends on your interpretation of it. Believers would interpreted based on their own personal understandings. Non-believers read it as is and move on.



It may be simple but not biblical, if going by that rather than church history.

I believe a difference in relationship is not a difference in essence.

I believe it is not like that at all and the Bible does not support that concept.

I believe God is never insulted by being Himself.

I believe I interpret by the guidance of the Holy Spirit and you interpret by you flawed mind.

I believe it is Biblical and one can't go by the phony Christianity to say whether it works or not. Of course phony belief doesn't work.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
if I under stand you correctly ,you didn't know that Jesus was the first and the last thing that the most high God made completely by him self ?

I believe we will be recreated in the Resurrection so perhaps that is the last.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member

I believe a difference in relationship is not a difference in essence.

-Instead of essence, I'd say relationship. A tri-nity not a unity.

I believe it is not like that at all and the Bible does not support that concept. I believe God is never insulted by being Himself.

-It's like if I were your child and I wanted to know about my grandfather, would you want me to acknowledge you as my father and my grandfather separately or do you want me to call you (my father) your father's name?

-I mean, if it's okay with you that you are both grandfather and father to me, that's your preference. Just, biblical, it doesn't read that way. It's a relationship between father and son.

--That does not mean they are not sync.

I believe I interpret by the guidance of the Holy Spirit and you interpret by you flawed mind.

-That's an insult.

-You interpret subjectively and based on your experiences; I interpret it as written without bias.

-It's not flawed just I understand both sides and read biblically it says one.

-I don't know if you take the other side into consideration or just ignore it. If you just ignore it, then you'd be calling something false you don't understand anything about.

-But if you going to call my view flawed, than its more of a debate; and, I don't care for debates

I believe it is Biblical and one can't go by the phony Christianity to say whether it works or not. Of course phony belief doesn't work.

-Well, I do not see it so negatively.

-What is wrong with calling jesus the son and the creator the father instead of them being the same?

-How is the creator wrong for making a human to die for people?

-I'm not getting why it is false to think differently than you

-I'm not asking you to agree, just understand and acknowledge it without insulting me in the process
 
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TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
My reading comprehension shows two (2) thrones.
' me in my throne ' is one throne.
' my Father in His throne ' is another throne.
Jesus has his one throne and his Father has His own throne.
One throne plus one throne equals two thrones to me.

Read the verse carefully - his throne is the Father's throne. If you have two thrones, and a different person that is God sitting on each throne, you have more than one God.
 

TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
Yes, Jesus was the beginning of the creation by God as per Revelation 3:14 B
And ' after ' God created His only-begotten heavenly Son then ALL things come through Jesus as per Colossians 1:16.
This is why pre-human Jesus is part of the 'us' of Genesis 1:26

Scripture disagrees with you. Isaiah 44:24 YHWH said he made all things. He said he was alone and by himself.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Read the verse carefully - his throne is the Father's throne. If you have two thrones, and a different person that is God sitting on each throne, you have more than one God.
Thank you for your reply.
I comprehend the 'me in my throne' as that throne belonging to Jesus at Revelation 3:21/
...and by Jesus saying 'my Father in His throne' is Jesus being at his Father's right hand or favored position.
Jesus says at Matthew 19:28 the Son of man (aka Jesus) shall sit in the throne of his (Jesus') glory (Not his Father's glory )
To people like those of Luke 22:28-30 at Matthew 19:28 also lets us know there are 12 thrones......
So, to me there is One God and one Lord (Jesus ) - Psalms 110, 1 Corinthians 8:6
Any comments about verse 6 ___________
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Scripture disagrees with you. Isaiah 44:24 YHWH said he made all things. He said he was alone and by himself.
Again, thank you for your reply.
I find at Isaiah 44:24-28 'I am the LORD (YHWH) that makes all things' .
This is in agreement with Jesus' words found at Revelation 4:11 giving all credit to his God.
This is because pre-human Jesus was made (created) by his God as pre Revelation 3:14 B.
The God of Jesus ' stretches forth the heavens and spreads abroad the Earth by Himself.
Hebrew Bible says ' firmed the Earth by My own accord ' .
I made a margin note between Amos 3:7 with Matthew 11:27
Apparently, because Jesus says all things are delivered unto Jesus of his Father......
Any comments _________
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I believe a difference in relationship is not a difference in essence.

-Instead of essence, I'd say relationship. A tri-nity not a unity.

I believe it is not like that at all and the Bible does not support that concept. I believe God is never insulted by being Himself.

-It's like if I were your child and I wanted to know about my grandfather, would you want me to acknowledge you as my father and my grandfather separately or do you want me to call you (my father) your father's name?

-I mean, if it's okay with you that you are both grandfather and father to me, that's your preference. Just, biblical, it doesn't read that way. It's a relationship between father and son.

--That does not mean they are not sync.

I believe I interpret by the guidance of the Holy Spirit and you interpret by you flawed mind.

-That's an insult.

-You interpret subjectively and based on your experiences; I interpret it as written without bias.

-It's not flawed just I understand both sides and read biblically it says one.

-I don't know if you take the other side into consideration or just ignore it. If you just ignore it, then you'd be calling something false you don't understand anything about.

-But if you going to call my view flawed, than its more of a debate; and, I don't care for debates

I believe it is Biblical and one can't go by the phony Christianity to say whether it works or not. Of course phony belief doesn't work.

-Well, I do not see it so negatively.

-What is wrong with calling jesus the son and the creator the father instead of them being the same?

-How is the creator wrong for making a human to die for people?

-I'm not getting why it is false to think differently than you

-I'm not asking you to agree, just understand and acknowledge it without insulting me in the process

-Instead of essence, I'd say relationship. A tri-nity not a unity.

I believe God is one in each member of the trinity.
 
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