Absolute Certainty

[Polymath257]

I meant hypothetically speaking it could be wrong.
But I am 100% certain, not that these kinds of exact percentages matter.

Once again, precisely. If you could be wrong, and you acknowledge you could be wrong, then you *cannot* be absolutely certain. There is always that possibility of being wrong.

if it is 'highly unlikely' that you are wrong, then it is still *possible* you are wrong, which means you are NOT 100% certain. You would be very slightly less than 100% certain.

 

[Trailblazer]

From my terminology, any possibility of being wrong, if acknowledged, implies some degree of uncertainty. And there is *always* the possibility of being wrong (even in that statement?).

Do you really think I am going to say I think there is no possibility I am wrong on a public forum?
To my husband yes, and he to me.

 

[Trailblazer]

In which case, you don't have *absolute* certainty.

Hypothetically speaking and on a logical basis, anyone can be wrong unless they have absolute proof, and nobody has that so anyone could be wrong.
But that does not mean I do not have absolute certainty.

 

[Trailblazer]

Once again, precisely. If you could be wrong, and you acknowledge you could be wrong, then you *cannot* be absolutely certain. There is always that possibility of being wrong.

if it is 'highly unlikely' that you are wrong, then it is still *possible* you are wrong, which means you are NOT 100% certain. You would be very slightly less than 100% certain.

Okay, maybe less than 100%, say 99.999999999999999%

 

[Polymath257]

Okay, maybe less than 100%, say 99.999999999999999%

Exactly. Which means the certainty is NOT 100%. It is not absolute. Just very close to such.

 

[Polymath257]

Hypothetically speaking and on a logical basis, anyone can be wrong unless they have absolute proof, and nobody has that so anyone could be wrong.
But that does not mean I do not have absolute certainty.

In that case, it is clear that what you mean by the phrase 'absolute certainty' is different than what I mean by that phrase.

 

[Trailblazer]

Exactly. Which means the certainty is NOT 100%. It is not absolute. Just very close to such.

Nothing is absolute, except God.

But as we say in government work, it's close enough for government work.

 

[Trailblazer]

In that case, it is clear that what you mean by the phrase 'absolute certainty' is different than what I mean by that phrase.

It probably is different. it is certitude. Certitude is the state of being certain or confident.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Nothing is absolute, except God.

Citation needed: Evidence missing 401.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Do you think we can have Absolute Certainty?

No, because we don't know everthing about anything.

 

[YoursTrue]

I can offer that I follow and apply the Absolute Certainty in my life for all people.

I see life is more than self, even though life in some aspects has aspects of self that have to be fulfilled.

Thus every thought, every prayer every action becomes a longing to do it for the good of ALL, a world citizen on one planet where all are as brothers and sisters.

In that way I see that Absolute Certainty will eventually embrace all people and all people can have that certainty, in a world where nothing short of that foundation in unity, can save us from the cancer of materialistic tenancies.

Regards Tony

Interesting, cause to reflect. I appreciate your thought that life is more than self, but -- some people are considered selfish, not self-less. If someone prays to win a war, that is not necessarily for the good of all, is it? At least not in my mind. As far as Absolute Certainty, Jesus prayed to his heavenly Father, "Let your kingdom come," as part of the famous prayer often quoted but not always understood.
Also, I might add that the book of Revelation shows materialism and false religion being taken down.
The Rider of the white horse in Revelation as described will win, of that I am Absolutely Certain. And, since Life is created by the One who created it, He will move to blot out all causes of wickedness, hurtfulness and sorrow. But it will come from a heavenly source and will be determined and effective. Humans will not participate in any war like that. They will not need to.
Thank you.

 

[YoursTrue]

In which case, you don't have *absolute* certainty.

At a certain point (in life), a person has to make a decision. That is clear insofar as the Isrealites in the wilderness and other places in the Bible. Whether they followed Moses or Korah. And God made it certain that it was Moses they should be following. I know it seems astounding, but -- based on the odds I am saying that is my "absolute certainty." As described.

 

[Polymath257]

At a certain point (in life), a person has to make a decision. That is clear insofar as the Isrealites in the wilderness and other places in the Bible. Whether they followed Moses or Korah. And God made it certain that it was Moses they should be following. I know it seems astounding, but -- based on the odds I am saying that is my "absolute certainty." As described.

Making a decision as a matter of policy is not the same as being absolutely certain.

 

[viole]

This is a discussion about Absolute Certainty.

First I will give what I see are Absolute Certainty.

100% Certain of God - Unknowable.
100% God sends Messengers.
100% Certain those Messengers are all we can know of God.
100% Certain that if you believe in one of those Messengers, one has found a source of Truth.
100% Certain that we are in true form, we are Spirit.
100% Certain that creation is a Relative Certainty.
100% Certain that all people have this knowledge within.
100% Certain, that we will mess up that Certainty.

Well that is a good start.

What about you, what are your Absolute Certainties?

Do your Certainties find any agreement in Mine?

Do you think we can have Absolute Certainty?

Regards Tony

i am absolutely certain that we cannot reach any absolute certainty.

ciao

- viole

 

[TransmutingSoul]

No, because we don't know everthing about anything.

There are indeed a lot of things we can not have absolute certainty about.

There are some we can. What is most Absolute Certain, is this body we are in will die and disperse and at times disperse as not intended.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Interesting, cause to reflect. I appreciate your thought that life is more than self, but -- some people are considered selfish, not self-less. If someone prays to win a war, that is not necessarily for the good of all, is it? At least not in my mind. As far as Absolute Certainty, Jesus prayed to his heavenly Father, "Let your kingdom come," as part of the famous prayer often quoted but not always understood.
Also, I might add that the book of Revelation shows materialism and false religion being taken down.
The Rider of the white horse in Revelation as described will win, of that I am Absolutely Certain. And, since Life is created by the One who created it, He will move to blot out all causes of wickedness, hurtfulness and sorrow. But it will come from a heavenly source and will be determined and effective. Humans will not participate in any war like that. They will not need to.
Thank you.

Thank you for the reply.

Agreed It is not selfish we are looking for, it is God within, with virtue and law we are looking for. In that way we can find and reflect Christ, the Image we are made in.

My Absolute Certainty is given by accepting the promise of Jesus the Christ has been fulfilled and that all knowledge has been released.

The book of Revelation is amazing and when we find out a lot of it also tells of the Revelation of Muhammad, prior to the promise of the end of ages, we start to appreciate how world embracing Christ really is.

The war is with our own selves, it always has been and it always will be.

I wish you always well and happy and clarity and strength in Christ.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Once again, precisely. If you could be wrong, and you acknowledge you could be wrong, then you *cannot* be absolutely certain. There is always that possibility of being wrong.

if it is 'highly unlikely' that you are wrong, then it is still *possible* you are wrong, which means you are NOT 100% certain. You would be very slightly less than 100% certain.

Hypothetically speaking and on a logical basis, anyone can be wrong unless they have absolute proof, and nobody has that so anyone could be wrong.
But that does not mean I do not have absolute certainty.

Okay, maybe less than 100%, say 99.999999999999999%

This is where absolute certainty unfolds.

It matters not if the whole world called you a fool for taking a stance on an aspect of absolute certainty, no matter what that certainty remains, it will drop no percentage, it will remain 100%

In Faith this is proved by those in the time of a Messenger, that faced the life or death decision of do I recant, or do I have absolute certainty to face all that these degenerates are just about to do to my body?

Absolute certainty allows them to accept that fate, any less than absolute certainty renders that decision impossible.

Regards Tony

 

[YoursTrue]

How do you know you have those? Could that evidence be wrong?

Well, I guess if a person knows he has a body and mind, he knows he exists. But then I guess some people exist but don't know they are existing.

 

[YoursTrue]

Thank you for the reply.

Agreed It is not selfish we are looking for, it is God within, with virtue and law we are looking for. In that way we can find and reflect Christ, the Image we are made in.

My Absolute Certainty is given by accepting the promise of Jesus the Christ has been fulfilled and that all knowledge has been released.

The book of Revelation is amazing and when we find out a lot of it also tells of the Revelation of Muhammad, prior to the promise of the end of ages, we start to appreciate how world embracing Christ really is.

The war is with our own selves, it always has been and it always will be.

I wish you always well and happy and clarity and strength in Christ.

Regards Tony

Thank you. I am sure we have our differences, especially in that all knowledge has been released. There is more to come. Things we do not know now. Jesus Christ said that the good news would be preached in all the inhabited earth, and then ... Let us see what Jesus said at Matthew 24:14:
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
The end is coming -- and then there are to be new heavens and a new earth. Quite different than it is now. Because righteousness is to be there throughout. (Revelation 21:1-5)

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Thank you. I am sure we have our differences, especially in that all knowledge has been released. There is more to come. Things we do not know now. Jesus Christ said that the good news would be preached in all the inhabited earth, and then ... Let us see what Jesus said at Matthew 24:14:
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
The end is coming -- and then there are to be new heavens and a new earth. Quite different than it is now. Because righteousness is to be there throughout. (Revelation 21:1-5)

That Prophecy was quoted as being fulfilled in the early to mid 1800's.A Web search can confirm how and why people thought this.

The end of the old world of things gave birth to the new world order which now is unfolding.

All knowledge being released does not mean that we automatically have the capacity to embrace it.

Big topic though. All the best.

Regards Tony