MonkeyFire
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Energy is neither created nor destroyed. If you wish to be forever you need an eternal past.
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Why does religion and the world leaders lie to us ?
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Energy is neither created nor destroyed. If you wish to be forever you need an eternal past.
Imagination is only strong if there is applied knowledge being used in the imaginings.
Wisdom is applying logic to the diversity of information , building a conclusive and precise imaginings .
Spartan
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Nope, you're wrong on all counts.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Nope. That's liberal hogwash. Here's evidence for Peter's authorship of both epistles:
Introduction to 1 & 2 Peter | Evidence Unseen
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
What verse does Peter identify himself as Peter.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Why don't you read it and find out?
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Ah, so he doesn't.
Thank you.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Human beings do lie. No mistaking that. But mostly human beings just make mistakes. Jesus made lots of mistakes. And even by gospel accounts he wasn't a perfect person -- he was a naughty little boy when he was twelve, and tried to squirm his way out of it too (that's a good place to begin). I'm just saying, if you expect people to be perfect, you are always going to be disappointed. Perhaps it's your expectations that need to be adjusted?
There is another thread in here about spiritual wisdom. I shared a youtube link that taught me that part of wisdom is having realistic expectations about people. The wise are never surprised how foolish human beings can be, how the virtuous, intelligent, and mature can exist side by side with the evil, stupid, and childish. They kind of "budget" for sinfulness, irrationality, and just plain old silliness.
Anything can be an attachment, including one's ill-informed beliefs that need to be let go of. Human emotions are human emotions. They aren't attachments. What we do with them is what makes them that. It's what we do with anything at all, that makes it an attachment, or not.
I've even heard some very literalist Buddhists go so far in this misconception about anger, as to obsess that if they have even one angry thought, that will cause them to have to be reincarnated another 1000 lifetimes! This fearful notion is more damaging than harboring anger, as it represses that anger with fear, which in my book is many times more dangerous to our progress than anger alone.
Repressed anger is still anger, but held in place with fear, being afraid to acknowledge its presence, which only amplifies and compounds its negative energies with guilt and shame and fear. If anger is not acknowledged and worked through, it will have deleterious consequences to our health and spiritual progress. That is very much true.
Anger is simply trying to reclaim power that was either taken away, or forfeit by us through fear, shame, and guilt. It can lead to saying no to being a victim and taking action towards positive directions. And those positive directions, lead to enlightenment. While anger is a negative, it can be used for good.
Anger is there in all of us for a purpose. It becomes a strong motivating force when tempered with good will and intention to take positive actions. Countless examples of this abound as people rise up in anger towards human injustice, which leads to the peaceable empowerment of both oneself and others.
Rather than taking that anger and breaking things destructively because you got passed by for a promotion, for instance, you use that anger to get yourself motivated to improve your skill set, which brings about self-confidence, which is a positive. Anger can be made to serve good, directed towards constructive actions, at which point, it is let go of. There is no need to apply the gas pedal so hard anymore in order to avoid danger.
Simply calling it a "bad" thing by labelling it an attachment, in my book, is unhealthy because it leads to repression of anger. Think of it like holding in your bowel movement until you become seriously ill because you think poop smells bad. Good bowel management is like knowing when and where to go do this, versus just holding it all in until it comes out in horribly inappropriate ways.
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The reason I speak (often ) about letting go of our attachments is because it is a hindrance to the spiritual growth within if we keep attaching to human things and emotions. all there is around us is there for a reason so no need to get angry because in a moment the situation has passed, it is in the past and no longer a part of us. So if someone speaks badly about us, just let it go and I pass away. I have had my share of anger and know it does not lead to any good. so I hope one day to let it fully go. But I can not ask of others to do exactly as I doAnything can be an attachment, including one's ill-informed beliefs that need to be let go of. Human emotions are human emotions. They aren't attachments. What we do with them is what makes them that. It's what we do with anything at all, that makes it an attachment, or not.
I've even heard some very literalist Buddhists go so far in this misconception about anger, as to obsess that if they have even one angry thought, that will cause them to have to be reincarnated another 1000 lifetimes! This fearful notion is more damaging than harboring anger, as it represses that anger with fear, which in my book is many times more dangerous to our progress than anger alone.
Repressed anger is still anger, but held in place with fear, being afraid to acknowledge its presence, which only amplifies and compounds its negative energies with guilt and shame and fear. If anger is not acknowledged and worked through, it will have deleterious consequences to our health and spiritual progress. That is very much true.
Anger is simply trying to reclaim power that was either taken away, or forfeit by us through fear, shame, and guilt. It can lead to saying no to being a victim and taking action towards positive directions. And those positive directions, lead to enlightenment. While anger is a negative, it can be used for good.
Anger is there in all of us for a purpose. It becomes a strong motivating force when tempered with good will and intention to take positive actions. Countless examples of this abound as people rise up in anger towards human injustice, which leads to the peaceable empowerment of both oneself and others.
Rather than taking that anger and breaking things destructively because you got passed by for a promotion, for instance, you use that anger to get yourself motivated to improve your skill set, which brings about self-confidence, which is a positive. Anger can be made to serve good, directed towards constructive actions, at which point, it is let go of. There is no need to apply the gas pedal so hard anymore in order to avoid danger.
Simply calling it a "bad" thing by labelling it an attachment, in my book, is unhealthy because it leads to repression of anger. Think of it like holding in your bowel movement until you become seriously ill because you think poop smells bad. Good bowel management is like knowing when and where to go do this, versus just holding it all in until it comes out in horribly inappropriate ways.
I have no problem with the injunction to let go of attachments. I completely agree with doing that. However, what you are calling attachment is not attachment. It is acknowledging our normal human psychological and emotional construction which evolution has provided us for our survival. As we learn to grow into maturity, we learn to work with our bodies, not deny them. Denialism, is itself a form of attachment. It is attached to an idea that being human is bad, and that only escaping our human nature will bring us peace. That is unhealthy, and does not lead to spiritual transformation at all. True spirituality is an integration of all the parts of us, but in harmonious and healthy ways. We don't deny our bodies. We awaken them. Once awakened, we realize they serve us, rather than are our enemies, which you make them out to be, it appears.
I have also even heard some Buddhists call love an attachment. That is not only unwise, it is unreal. It is a delusion and a form of attachment itself. Now please note I said "some", not all. It's no different in Buddhism than it is in Christianity where people take Wisdom teachings, literalize them, turn them into attachments, and teach others their incorrect, unenlightened misunderstandings of higher teachings. It's not specific to religion, but to how people lacking context literalize these things and distort their meanings. The Buddha became enlightened after he ate food, not while he was starving himself to death.
Attachments come about when we look to these things as the ultimate source of our happiness. So yes, we can be attached to the natural, normal and healthy things too. But saying those things is what is attachment, is form of self-deception. It what we do with them, where the attachment lies. Not with the thing itself. To imagine if you can "get rid of anger" is the key to your awakening, is still attachment. You assume that only if this thing were changed, then you can be free. Rather, we seek to be Free itself, and then everything is manageable and nothing is "unclean" in itself. Anger, can be transformed into "fierce compassion", for instance. If you think anger is a sin, or an "attachment", tell that to mama bear protecting her cubs.
I have no problem with learning healthy anger management. But to make anger the enemy, versus your personal lack of control with it as the actual problem, is a form of subtle self-deception, a "near enemy". You make it about the anger itself, rather than how you deal with natural, normal, and healthy human emotions. Anger exists for an evolutionary purpose, just like our bones, just like our lungs, just like our feet. It's not a mistake. What we do with it, how we hold it, makes it that. To call sex evil for instance, as many spiritual escape artists try to say, externalizes what is actually a shortcoming of avoiding facing the truth about ourselves and our own personal attachments with normal things.all there is around us is there for a reason so no need to get angry because in a moment the situation has passed, it is in the past and no longer a part of us. So if someone speaks badly about us, just let it go and I pass away. I have had my share of anger and know it does not lead to any good. so I hope one day to let it fully go. But I can not ask of others to do exactly as I do
To make any of these things the enemy, empowers them in our lives by energizing them with negative attachments from our minds. Facing the truth of ourselves and our responsibility with what has been given us by nature, is what actually sets us free, experience teaches me. Making these things the enemy, is a near-enemy form of attachment.
I hope you take the time to read and consider these things.
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Audie
Veteran Member
I have no problem with the injunction to let go of attachments. I completely agree with doing that. However, what you are calling attachment is not attachment. It is acknowledging our normal human psychological and emotional construction which evolution has provided us for our survival. As we learn to grow into maturity, we learn to work with our bodies, not deny them. Denialism, is itself a form of attachment. It is attached to an idea that being human is bad, and that only escaping our human nature will bring us peace. That is unhealthy, and does not lead to spiritual transformation at all. True spirituality is an integration of all the parts of us, but in harmonious and healthy ways. We don't deny our bodies. We awaken them. Once awakened, we realize they serve us, rather than are our enemies, which you make them out to be, it appears.
I have also even heard some Buddhists call love an attachment. That is not only unwise, it is unreal. It is a delusion and a form of attachment itself. Now please note I said "some", not all. It's no different in Buddhism than it is in Christianity where people take Wisdom teachings, literalize them, turn them into attachments, and teach others their incorrect, unenlightened misunderstandings of higher teachings. It's not specific to religion, but to how people lacking context literalize these things and distort their meanings. The Buddha became enlightened after he ate food, not while he was starving himself to death.
Attachments come about when we look to these things as the ultimate source of our happiness. So yes, we can be attached to the natural, normal and healthy things too. But saying those things is what is attachment, is form of self-deception. It what we do with them, where the attachment lies. Not with the thing itself. To imagine if you can "get rid of anger" is the key to your awakening, is still attachment. You assume that only if this thing were changed, then you can be free. Rather, we seek to be Free itself, and then everything is manageable and nothing is "unclean" in itself. Anger, can be transformed into "fierce compassion", for instance. If you think anger is a sin, or an "attachment", tell that to mama bear protecting her cubs.
I have no problem with learning healthy anger management. But to make anger the enemy, versus your personal lack of control with it as the actual problem, is a form of subtle self-deception, a "near enemy". You make it about the anger itself, rather than how you deal with natural, normal, and healthy human emotions. Anger exists for an evolutionary purpose, just like our bones, just like our lungs, just like our feet. It's not a mistake. What we do with it, how we hold it, makes it that. To call sex evil for instance, as many spiritual escape artists try to say, externalizes what is actually a shortcoming of avoiding facing the truth about ourselves and our own personal attachments with normal things.
To make any of these things the enemy, empowers them in our lives by energizing them with negative attachments from our minds. Facing the truth of ourselves and our responsibility with what has been given us by nature, is what actually sets us free, experience teaches me. Making these things the enemy, is a near-enemy form of attachment.
I hope you take the time to read and consider these things.
Those who would be wise may have a great obstacle
they cannot let go of - their aphorisms.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Stay in the dark then.
Audie
Veteran Member
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
I personally find it amusing how you are so adamant on showing everyone the "light" but then tuck tail and run when asked about specific colors.
Given your posting history, it is easy to see you made a claim that you can not support and are now tucking your tail hoping to distract from the fact.
MonkeyFire
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Imagination and knowledge are both great.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Flush.
Your legacy is kicking all the evidences provided you to the curb. No wonder no one except your like-minded Christ-deniers wants to bother with you.
Spartan
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Yes, the spiritual hearts of dedicated Christ deniers.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
More grandstanding instead of supporting your claim?
Why is it that no one is the least bit surprised?
Then you whine about how I am supposedly "kicking all the evidences provided you to the curb"?
How can I possibly "kick the evidence provided to the curb" when you have not presented the evidence to kick?
Spartan
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Flush. I've presented tons of evidences in these threads and I'm not aware of one iota of it that has ever been well received by the antichrist crowd. So go do a thorough review of the threads - and the evidences presented. But don't give me anymore of your revisionist theology that Christ isn't risen because that's based in ignorance of the historical facts and not worth responding to.