Is Trump Trying to Get Us into War to Get Reelected?

[columbus]

I do not think he is trying to get into a war at all. He just isnt acting weak in the face of Iran's actions. Beside the attack on the Embassy which is US soil is the act of war. So Iran already declared it.

Americans are notorious for this sort of myopia.
We started a war against Iran back in the 70s, and it's continued ever since.

This isn't the beginning of anything.
Tom

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Are you sure it's all other nations or are you just playing loosey goosey?

Let's see...Trump has during his term in office offended all of our allies, unilaterally backed out of numerous international agreements and treaties, started a trade war aimed primarily at China and our allies, endorsed Putin and Russian policies, as well as expressing admiration not for the leaders of other democracies, but dictators (while at the same time threatening them with military and economic attacks)...so, yeah, I think it's all nations...one day he can be a friend, the next a foe, with no rhyme or reason...

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Americans are notorious for this sort of myopia.
We started a war against Iran back in the 70s, and it's continued ever since.

This isn't the beginning of anything.
Tom

Actually, it was the 50s, when the CIA organized a coup to put the Shah in power. The Shah was overthrown in the late 70s...and then Reagan and company subverted the Constitution by privately negotiating with the Iranian hostage-takers to prolong the standoff until he was in office, then entered into the arms-for-hostage deal that became known as Iran-Contra...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

According to our Commander in Chief Donald Trump, he ordered the killing of Qassim Soleimani in order to 'stop a war' with Iran

In other words, he lied again.

 

[ChristineM]

As you know from having studied history, just about the oldest trick that politicians use to rally people around them is the trick of going to war -- especially if they can make it look like the war was the other guy's fault.

With that in mind...

Is Trump trying to provoke Iran into attacking us so he can get us into a war that will rally enough voters to his side in time for him to get reelected?

If so, (1) why do you think so, and (2) why do you think his method of getting us into a war will help him get reelected, as opposed to help him get thrown out of office? Basically, why do you think enough American's to reelect Trump are dumb enough to fall for the oldest trick in the book of politics?

If not, (1) why do you put it past Trump to intentionally provoke Iran into attacking us, and (2) why do you think he has picked this particular minute in history to provoke Iran?




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i wouldn't put any dispicable action past trump

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[columbus]

Actually, it was the 50s, when the CIA organized a coup to put the Shah in power. The Shah was overthrown in the late 70s...and then Reagan and company subverted the Constitution by privately negotiating with the Iranian hostage-takers to prolong the standoff until he was in office, then entered into the arms-for-hostage deal that became known as Iran-Contra...

Oh, I understand that.

But the real conflict started in the late 70s. The Iranian people wanted to take their country back from the USA puppet, Shah Pahlavi. The CIA(under G H W Bush) pulled out the stops trying to prevent that. Torture, assassination, disappearing people were all methods employed.
Unsurprisingly, both the Iranian people and the new government hated the USA. And what we called an "embassy" was actually a center for violent opposition to the new government.

Then, when Bush got into the White House, as Reagan's VP, he launched a brutal proxy war against Iran. About a million deaths.

That's where Saddam Hussein got his WMDs, we gave them to him to use on Iran.

Then, in 2001, Bush put Iran on a hit list called the Axis of Evil. North Korea, Iran, Iraq. Then started invading. NK had a nuclear program. We left them alone. Iraq did not. We publicly executed Hussein, after killing his kids, and blew up Iraq.
Iran learned the lesson from that. Get a nuke or the USA will take you out.

And that's why they're planning to get one. Obama tried to end that cycle of violence. Trump promised to keep it going.
And he is.
Tom

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Oh, I understand that.

But the real conflict started in the late 70s. The Iranian people wanted to take their country back from the USA puppet, Shah Pahlavi. The CIA(under G H W Bush) pulled out the stops trying to prevent that. Torture, assassination, disappearing people were all methods employed.
Unsurprisingly, both the Iranian people and the new government hated the USA. And what we called an "embassy" was actually a center for violent opposition to the new government.

Then, when Bush got into the White House, as Reagan's VP, he launched a brutal proxy war against Iran. About a million deaths.

That's where Saddam Hussein got his WMDs, we gave them to him to use on Iran.

Then, in 2001, Bush put Iran on a hit list called the Axis of Evil. North Korea, Iran, Iraq. Then started invading. NK had a nuclear program. We left them alone. Iraq did not. We publicly executed Hussein, after killing his kids, and blew up Iraq.
Iran learned the lesson from that. Get a nuke or the USA will take you out.

And that's why they're planning to get one. Obama tried to end that cycle of violence. Trump promised to keep it going.
And he is.
Tom

Bush 1 may have launched a secret war against Iran, but he was also eyeballs deep in Iran-Contra dealings with Iran. Not that it balances out, but just goes to show that politics makes strange bedfellows...and Iran has no reason to play nice with the US...

 

[Salvador]

Americans are notorious for this sort of myopia.
We started a war against Iran back in the 70s, and it's continued ever since.

This isn't the beginning of anything.
Tom

American support for the Shah of Iran ended nearly four decades ago, perhaps it's now time for the Iranian people to finally get over this hatred towards America. ....

 

[columbus]

American support for the Shah of Iran ended nearly four decades ago, perhaps it's now time for the Iranian people to finally get over this hatred towards America. ....

But we launched a proxy war, with a million deaths.
We've had economic sanctions on them ever since they won that war.
We put them on a very short hit list, call "The Axis of Evil".

Obama tried to make some peace, Republicans sabotaged that. Then Trump started the saber rattling again.

Tom

 

[Shad]

Americans are notorious for this sort of myopia.
We started a war against Iran back in the 70s, and it's continued ever since.

Nope Iran did that via the attack upon the embassy which is US soil in the 70s.

 

[columbus]

Nope Iran did that via the attack upon the embassy which is US soil in the 70s.

How is a military operation against a foreign government an "embassy"?
Tom

 

[Shad]

How is a military operation against a foreign government an "embassy"?
Tom

Hostage crisis of the US embassy in the 70s. An embassy is sovereign soil. Ergo that is an act of war itself.

 

[columbus]

Hostage crisis of the US embassy in the 70s. An embassy is sovereign soil. Ergo that is an act of war itself.

It wasn't an embassy.
It was a military operations center. One dedicated to overthrowing the government, which was the Revolutionary Guard, like it or not.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Bush 1 may have launched a secret war against Iran, but he was also eyeballs deep in Iran-Contra dealings with Iran. Not that it balances out, but just goes to show that politics makes strange bedfellows...and Iran has no reason to play nice with the US...

And Bush 1 was only the latest player in that tactic of continual attacks on Iran.

 

[Shad]

It wasn't an embassy.

Yes it was.

It was a military operations center.

No it wasn't

One dedicated to overthrowing the government, which was the Revolutionary Guard, like it or not.
Tom

Iran acted first

 

[columbus]

Yes it was.



No it wasn't



Iran acted first

Iranians took their country back from the USA.

Bush, the CIA, and the USA have been attacking the Iranians and their government ever since. Americans prefer not to know that, because it would crimp their self-righteous saber rattling. But it's true, and everybody else(especially the Iranians) do know about it.
Tom

 

[metis]

In other words, he lied again.

What's new???

Also, I cannot believe in anything that Trump says on why the airstrike was called, even if some things turned out to be true, as he is like the "boy who cried 'wolf!'" so many times, so why would anyone in their right mind take him at his word?

 

[Shad]

Iranians took their country back from the USA.

No not really. It just changed the source of it's authoritarianism

Bush, the CIA, and the USA have been attacking the Iranians and their government ever since. Americans prefer not to know that, because it would crimp their self-righteous saber rattling. But it's true, and everybody else(especially the Iranians) do know about it.
Tom

The Embassy crisis predates them by decades.

I am sorry to hear of your loss. Were the general and you close?

 

[Revoltingest]

The Embassy crisis predates them by decades.

You forget the 1953 coup wherein we took over Iran by installing the Shah.
What has Iran done to Ameristan to even remotely compare in scope of attack?

I am sorry to hear of your loss. Were the general and you close?

Uh oh.....you know that the poster you insulted might retaliate in kind.

Spoiler: He might say something like this....

Why do you hate the general so much...did he spurn your advances?

 

[Shad]

You forget the 1953 coup wherein we took over Iran by installing the Shah.

The Islamic government is not a continuation of that government.

What has Iran done to Ameristan to even remotely compare in scope of attack?

Nationalization of foreign companies' assets has consequences.

Uh oh.....you know that he might retaliate in kind.

Won't work as the guy is a terrorist compared to whining about a terrorist getting killed.