So What Happened To All The Changes, Tribulations, And Woe Jesus Had Promised?

[ecco]

Try these passages on for size…

“Regard thou the one true God as One Who is apart from, and immeasurably exalted above, all created things. The whole universe reflecteth His glory, while He is Himself independent of, and transcendeth His creatures. This is the true meaning of Divine unity. He Who is the Eternal Truth is the one Power Who exerciseth undisputed sovereignty over the world of being, Whose image is reflected in the mirror of the entire creation. All existence is dependent upon Him, and from Him is derived the source of the sustenance of all things. This is what is meant by Divine unity; this is its fundamental principle.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 167

Really? That's supposed to be convincing?

He Who is the Eternal Truth is the one Power Who exerciseth undisputed sovereignty over the world of being​

Perhaps you can identify something, anything, that shows that He is exercising any sovereignty over anything.

Whose image is reflected in the mirror of the entire creation
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Yadda, yadda, yadda. That sounds like Creationist nonsense:

How do you know God created everything?
Because everything exists!​

All existence is dependent upon Him, and from Him is derived the source of the sustenance of all things.
​

More yadda, yadda, yadda. This is no different than any religious myths:
In the beginning, God...

 

[Trailblazer]

Can't you see for yourself how nonsensical these writings really are?

No, because unlike you I understand what they mean.

 

[Trailblazer]

So you accept that Jesus spoke the words attributed to him in the sermon on the mount. That's over 2200 words.
Did you ever stop to think...
Did you ever ask yourself...

How did Matthew accurately record that very long speech?

Did you ever stop to think...obviously not
Did you ever ask yourself...obviously not

I never said that the words in the Gospels were the exact words of Jesus, and in fact I told you I do not believe that they are.

From Letters Written on Behalf of the Guardian:

When 'Abdu'l-Bahá states we believe what is in the Bible, He means in substance. Not that we believe every word of it to be taken literally or that every word is the authentic saying of the Prophet.
(11 February 1944 to an individual believer)

...we cannot be sure how much or how little of the four Gospels are accurate and include the words of Christ and His undiluted teachings, all we can be sure of, as Bahá'ís, is that what has been quoted by Bahá'u'lláh and the Master must be absolutely authentic. As many times passages in the Gospel of St. John are quoted we may assume that it is his Gospel and much of it accurate.
(23 January 1944 to an individual believer)

From letters written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice:

The Bahá'ís believe that God's Revelation is under His care and protection and that the essence, or essential elements, of what His Manifestations intended to convey has been recorded and preserved in Their Holy Books. However, as the sayings of the ancient Prophets were written down some time later, we cannot categorically state, as we do in the case of the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, that the words and phrases attributed to Them are Their exact words
(9 August 1984 to an individual believer)

The Bible

 

[Trailblazer]

Again, if all gods are imaginary there cannot be any true God.

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You need to understand what you write.

No, you need to understand what I mean by what I write...

If there is only One God, so people who believe there are many gods have a false belief.
If those people believed in the One God, they would not believe in many gods because only three logical possibilities exist and they are mutually exclusive:

1. One God
2. Many gods
3. No God or gods

 

[Trailblazer]

Instead of asking where I found it why couldn't you? Just Google:
Bahai "Tis from Our rapture that the clouds of "

Because it was easier to ask you.
FYI, I am not much for that mystical stuff.

 

[Trailblazer]

Really? That's supposed to be convincing?

He Who is the Eternal Truth is the one Power Who exerciseth undisputed sovereignty over the world of being​

Perhaps you can identify something, anything, that shows that He is exercising any sovereignty over anything.

Whose image is reflected in the mirror of the entire creation
​

Yadda, yadda, yadda. That sounds like Creationist nonsense:

How do you know God created everything?
Because everything exists!​

All existence is dependent upon Him, and from Him is derived the source of the sustenance of all things.
​

More yadda, yadda, yadda. This is no different than any religious myths:
In the beginning, God...

I never said it is supposed to be convincing... You either believe it or you don't, God is not something that can be proven.
No, it is no different than the other Abrahamic religious beliefs about God, it is just stated a bit differently.

 

[sooda]

Sorry I have no idea what your talking about . It sounds to me that you simply do not believe the scriptures

The scriptures were never intended to be taken literally.

 

[Trailblazer]

The scriptures were never intended to be taken literally.

Certainly not all of them were intended that way.

 

[sooda]

Sorry I have no idea what your talking about . It sounds to me that you simply do not believe the scriptures

Most Protestants don't know about Cyrus Scofield Samuel and Untermyer or how they hijacked Protestantism in 1917... He also created the Dallas Theological Seminary and the Moody Institute...That's why we have so many evangelicals and fundamentalists. It was a political move to promote Christian Zionism.

 

[3rdAngel]

Most Protestants don't know about Cyrus Scofield Samuel and Untermyer or how they hijacked Protestantism in 1917... He also created the Dallas Theological Seminary and the Moody Institute...That's why we have so many evangelicals and fundamentalists. It was a political move to promote Christian Zionism.

I guess you are entitled to your view. I have not had much to do with both Cyrus Scofield Samuel and Untermyer so their view is not important to me. I seek JESUS for a knowledge of His truth through his Word and study the scriptures for myself. I am sorry I do not accept or believe your claim that these people hijacked Protestantism. Not everyone follows the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Many prayerfully study the scriptures for themselves claiming the promises in God's Word asking God to be their guide and teacher.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Most Protestants don't know about Cyrus Scofield Samuel and Untermyer or how they hijacked Protestantism in 1917... He also created the Dallas Theological Seminary and the Moody Institute...That's why we have so many evangelicals and fundamentalists. It was a political move to promote Christian Zionism.

Why do you keep telling these lies about Scofield. He did not start Dallas Theological Seminary.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Sorry I have no idea what your talking about . It sounds to me that you simply do not believe the scriptures

Good and wise insight.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[ecco]

No, because unlike you I understand what they mean.

Uh huh.
Now please show us you understand the meaning of this...

Verily I say, the human soul is, in its essence, one of the signs of God, a mystery among His mysteries. It is one of the mighty signs of the Almighty, the harbinger that proclaimeth the reality of all the worlds of God. Within it lieth concealed that which the world is now utterly incapable of apprehending. Ponder in thine heart the revelation of the Soul of God that pervadeth all His Laws, and contrast it with that base and appetitive nature that hath rebelled against Him, that forbiddeth men to turn unto the Lord of Names, and impelleth them to walk after their lusts and wickedness. Such a soul hath, in truth, wandered far in the path of error.…​

 

[ecco]

I never said that the words in the Gospels were the exact words of Jesus, and in fact I told you I do not believe that they are.

It seemed to me that you wrote that you accept ALL His quoted words except regarding the resurrection...

I do not reject ALL His quoted words as storytelling, only the stories like the resurrection.

Now you are saying you do what all religious people do. You pick and choose, pick and choose. You have no rational reason for accepting what you do and do not accept other than it meets your needs at the time.

Do you do the same with the writings of your Baluluah or do you accept all of them as God's Absolute Truth?

 

[ecco]

No, you need to understand what I mean by what I write...

Duh! If you don't write clearly, you expect me to understand it anyway. Really?


Another case in point...

If there is only One God, so people who believe there are many gods have a false belief.
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"If, so" is meaningless sentence structure. I guess you mean:

If there is only One God, people who believe there are many gods have a false belief.
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But why should I have to guess?

 

[ecco]

All gods (plural) are imaginary because there is only one true God.

only three logical possibilities exist and they are mutually exclusive:

1. One God
2. Many gods
3. No God or gods

OK.

But you keep trying to ignore what you wrote earlier...

All gods (plural) are imaginary because there is only one true God.

Can you not see how illogical that statement is?

In your three logical mutually exclusive possibilities, where do the imaginary gods you referenced fall?

• One God - If it's imaginary it couldn't be one god.
• Many Gods - If it's imaginary it couldn't be one of many gods.
• No God or gods - Yep, that's the only fit.

So, if all gods are imaginary, there are no gods.
If there are no gods, how can there be a True God?

It's really sad that I had to address your illogical posting twice. I hope this extended clarification helps.

 

[ecco]

FYI, I am not much for that mystical stuff.

That "mystical stuff"? That's the writings of your Baluluah.

 

[ecco]

I never said it is supposed to be convincing... You either believe it or you don't, God is not something that can be proven.
No, it is no different than the other Abrahamic religious beliefs about God, it is just stated a bit differently.

In other words, your Baluluah writings are just as much meaningless yadda, yadda, yadda as Matthew or David Koresh or Joseph Smith.

I agree.

 

[sooda]

Why do you keep telling these lies about Scofield. He did not start Dallas Theological Seminary.

Good-Ole-Rebel

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[ecco]

The scriptures were never intended to be taken literally.

Sure they were. When Matthew wrote the over 2000 word sermon on the mount and attributed it to Jesus, he fully expected his audience to accept that Jesus actually spoke those words.

Why do you believe differently?