More guns is obviously the answer...

[Left Coast]

If a gun is not at the ready at all times, then it is worthless.

If you 'feel' safe due to the governments protection of you....you live in a false sense of security. If you feel safe because of your neighborhood....you live in a false sense of security.

If you feel safe because of having a loaded gun on your hip...you live in a false sense of security.

Officer, 3 civilians dead after massive gun battle breaks out in New Jersey

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

If you feel safe because of having a loaded gun on your hip...you live in a false sense of security.

Officer, 3 civilians dead after massive gun battle breaks out in New Jersey

No, I don't. As I have said, just because you have the gun doesn't mean you are going to make it. It gives you a chance. A chance you wouldn't have if you didn't have it.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Revoltingest]

If you feel safe because of having a loaded gun on your hip...you live in a false sense of security.

Officer, 3 civilians dead after massive gun battle breaks out in New Jersey

Ya know, offering an example consistent with guns being evil
can be countered with examples of guns used in self defense.
Dueling anecdotes won't convince the opposition.

 

[Left Coast]

No, I don't. As I have said, just because you have the gun doesn't mean you are going to make it. It gives you a chance. A chance you wouldn't have if you didn't have it.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Subjectively, I can understand why people feel that way. Objectively, I haven't seen the stats bear that out.

 

[Left Coast]

Ya know, offering an example consistent with guns being evil
can be countered with examples of guns used in self defense.
Dueling anecdotes won't convince the opposition.

I don't think guns are evil. I was simply pointing out that having a gun doesn't ensure one's safety. I had just read the breaking stories about that NJ shooting and it seemed relevant.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Subjectively, I can understand why people feel that way. Objectively, I haven't seen the stats bear that out.

Stats?

If you don't want a gun...fine. I will have a gun. I am not forcing you to have a gun. Would you force me to not have a gun?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Left Coast]

Stats?

Yes, stats. Typically we try to use them when making public policy.

If you don't want a gun...fine. I will have a gun. I am not forcing you to have a gun. Would you force me to not have a gun?

Good-Ole-Rebel

Depends on context. Who are you? Do you have a criminal record? Have you had any training on use of the gun? Where do you want to carry this gun?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Yes, stats. Typically we try to use them when making public policy.



Depends on context. Who are you? Do you have a criminal record? Have you had any training on use of the gun? Where do you want to carry this gun?

What stats are there to tell you that you have a better chance with a gun than without it to get out of a deadly situation? Usually 'stats' are not needed to determine common sense.

All your questions concern legal ownership of a gun. Are you willing to let me have a gun legally?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Left Coast]

What stats are there to tell you that you have a better chance with a gun than without it to get out of a deadly situation? Usually 'stats' are not needed to determine common sense.

If I recall correctly, the FBI releases stats on active shooter situations and their resolutions. What percent of them are resolved by a good guy (civilian) with a gun?

Does being a gun owner make you statistically more safe or less safe?

Often "common sense" assumptions end up not being the case when you actually measure them.

All your questions concern legal ownership of a gun. Are you willing to let me have a gun legally?

That's a very oddly phrased statement and question. The law is not the same everywhere. I don't think the questions I asked are univerally relevant to legal ownership, depending where we're talking about. If you pass a background check and complete a safety training course, I'm fine with you owning a gun.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

If I recall correctly, the FBI releases stats on active shooter situations and their resolutions. What percent of them are resolved by a good guy (civilian) with a gun?

Does being a gun owner make you statistically more safe or less safe?

Often "common sense" assumptions end up not being the case when you actually measure them.



That's a very oddly phrased statement and question. The law is not the same everywhere. I don't think the questions I asked are univerally relevant to legal ownership, depending where we're talking about. If you pass a background check and complete a safety training course, I'm fine with you owning a gun.

Federal law is the same over the 50 states. Do you agree? What? The law doesn't require me to complete a safety training course to own a gun.

So you want me to meet your demands of ownership of a gun. But go ask another person and you will get another idea of the demands of ownership of a gun. Whose do you obey?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Left Coast]

Federal law is the same over the 50 states. Do you agree? What? The law doesn't require me to complete a safety training course to own a gun.

You're aware there are state-specific gun laws in addition to federal ones, right?

So you want me to meet your demands of ownership of a gun.

Don't ask the question if you don't want the answer?

But go ask another person and you will get another idea of the demands of ownership of a gun.

Welcome to democracy.

Whose do you obey?

Those of my country and state, obviously.

 

[oldbadger]

You can put labels on a type of gun all you want. It will still kill you. An AR-15 is simply a semi-automatic. Is that what you want banned? You want all semi-automatic rifles and pistols and shotguns banned? How about pump shotguns? How about a double barrel shot gun? 'Assault rifle' is just a buzz phrase to strike fear in the hearts of liberals. Any gun is an assault gun if you use it to assault someone.

You can use a shotgun for sport, vermin control, home defense, competition, and war. So?

Good-Ole-Rebel

You don't get to put words in my mouth....

I said rifles such as AR-15s.

But they all need to be insured against 3rd party risks.
Or is it that you don't insure your vehicles for the road..?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

You're aware there are state-specific gun laws in addition to federal ones, right?



Don't ask the question if you don't want the answer?



Welcome to democracy.



Those of my country and state, obviously.

Sorry, but you brought up the Federal law. See post #(129). So, again, I ask you, does the Federal law require me to complete a safety training course to own a gun?

Oh....I do want an answer! Do I meet your demands of ownership of a gun or the law's?

Indeed, I welcome you to republican form of government. Which is why I get to own a gun.

So, I get to obey the laws of my country and state. Correct?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[oldbadger]

Yeah you never know if some idiot would be dumb enough to not clear a weapon before examining it.

He got beamed in, or didn't you know they can do that

Nope retired, and my only family (not counting my sibling who is a deputy sheriff) is just me and the wife who is has her own weapon and has gone through almost the same training as me and practices at least twice a month(unless it's too cold, wet, or snowy).
Just for ****s and giggles what kind of extra security for the family are you talking about?

Just told you they beamed in.

There we go...... you clearly have no idea about the common sense of simple home security and intruder deterrents. If you did then you'd be able to answer my question.

Now you sleep well tonite, cuddling up to your guns.....

 

[oldbadger]

No nothing more than an opinion.

OMG! Don't tell me that you have not taken out all-risks insurance for 3rd party public liability for all of your guns? That's just totally irresponsible imo.

How will you pay for loss of life, or hospital and sick leave for an injured person after an accident? An injured victim could make claim on everything you have.......... that's a bit weird, not to have insurance cover.

And what happens if your unprotected home gets burgled while you are out and guns get stolen?

Serious training is needed here.

 

[oldbadger]

You must be in the insurance and home security business. You answered none of my questions which shows your statements are BS.

Good-Ole-Rebel

I answered them all.
Common sense legislation would demand that all guns and users are covered by insurance for 3rd party risks. And gun being carried without an insurance cover could be seized and the carrier fined.

Mandatory level of home security with an approved gun safe, Approved training for gun keeping and use, examinations, licensing.

It's all there.

And all semi-auto rifles banned.

EASY. And iof you are not insured then it is an irresponsible position to be in. You couldn't pay costs for a death or an injury.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

You don't get to put words in my mouth....

I said rifles such as AR-15s.

But they all need to be insured against 3rd party risks.
Or is it that you don't insure your vehicles for the road..?

No, you didn't say 'rifles'. Perhaps I missed it. Show me where?'

No thanks. I'm not interested in your insurance.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

I answered them all.
Common sense legislation would demand that all guns and users are covered by insurance for 3rd party risks. And gun being carried without an insurance cover could be seized and the carrier fined.

Mandatory level of home security with an approved gun safe, Approved training for gun keeping and use, examinations, licensing.

It's all there.

And all semi-auto rifles banned.

EASY. And iof you are not insured then it is an irresponsible position to be in. You couldn't pay costs for a death or an injury.

All that is there is your BS insurance pitch.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[oldbadger]

No, you didn't say 'rifles'. Perhaps I missed it. Show me where?'

Of course I did!
Let me explain to you what an AR-15 is:- That stands for Assault-Rifle 15 rounds.
I thought you would know that abbreviation.

No thanks. I'm not interested in your insurance.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Dreadful irresponsibility, imo.
The law should make it mandatory.

If a friend or relative of yours was injured or killed in a gun accident and there was no provision for payments and costs you'd be shrieking out a different story.
Or what if you got shot in an accident? We'd never hear the last of it.

 

[oldbadger]

All that is there is your BS insurance pitch.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Nope.
You missed the sentence:-
Mandatory level of home security with an approved gun safe, Approved training for gun keeping and use, examinations, licensing.