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Yes, I'm in Information Technology... are you in Telecom?IT as in Information Technology? I work in a closely allied field. I have my own forte and I am the odd woman out in my workplace. Nobody has a clue about what I do.
Yes, that is more concise.I think your belief can be improved upon to be more consistent with reality, by slightly altering it:
I believe it is because their religions teach that it is the only true religion so they cannot accept progressive revelation.
No, you never implied that.I am on the record, here on RF consistently saying precisely that.
If I have ever implied "my way or the highway", I certainly apologize. That is not ever my intention.
The point of this forum is religious discussion and debate. If you start a thread saying, "Bob is a Prophet of God," people are very obviously going to ask you what the heck your evidence for that claim is. If you're not interested in making such a demonstration, then at least don't post in the Debates section. Stick to the Baha'i DIR section so you can just talk about your beliefs with people who already agree with you.
Yes, what about his life, exactly? I already addressed why you can't point to his teachings, as that would be circular.
Wait, they display all the attributes of God, perfectly? This is the typical Abrahamic, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent God, yes? I'd love to see the evidence that Baha'u'llah was any one of those, let alone all three. And isn't God eternal? But Baha'u'llah died, didn't he?
I highlighted the key section of the passage here. So Prophets don't necessarily display all God's attributes - but we're supposed to believe they have them, even if they show no evidence of it.
So which of God's attributes did Baha'u'llah display, and how so, specifically?
The teaching that we are "spiritual beings" is also a claim. So yes, again, his teachings are claims.
Waaaaaaayyyyy too long and too many rabbit trails to delve into all that. Hit me with your best prophecy, and I'm happy to discuss it.
No, GIS Cartographer.Yes, I'm in Information Technology... are you in Telecom?
Awesome... literally... that is BIG data.No, GIS Cartographer.
The IT guys are our friends.
I think that when my spouse says he loves me.
And when someone says the universe came from nothing and for no reason whatsoever
And when people say there is no God.
And that my country is the best one to live in.
It's pretty cool...Awesome... literally... that is BIG data.
You know, I think what you're really asking me is, what is Baha'u'llah's biography.
It would be unrealistic of me to try and write Baha'u'llah's whole biography on this forum, that would be "waaaaaaayyyyy too long".
I can give you an introduction biography of Baha'u'llah: Bahá’u’lláh | What Bahá’ís Believe
The Life of Bahá’u’lláh | What Bahá’ís Believe
But you're going to have to take it from there if you want to. Like I said Baha'u'llah's biography is actually kind of huge.
The reason why I personally recognize Baha'u'llah is because of His teachings of progressive revelation and planetary unity. Other Baha'is may have different reasons for recognizing Baha'u'llah.
I really don't want to go around in circles here, what kind of evidence / demonstration of Prophethood are you looking for exactly, because I literally keep telling you.
And to be honest with you, a believer really don't have to know every single thing about the revelation of God to recognize His Manifestation, they can just know the basics so to speak.
So when you say the word "demonstration" what are you really looking for?
And we need the Baha'u'llah to tell us that? Or we're supposed to believe that the Baha'ullah is the physical manifestation of a divine revelation just because he said that humans are one family and earth is our home? You're gonna have to give me something better than that to keep me interested. How about this: Was Baha'u'llah an Einsteinian Relativist or an Anti-relativist?
He said he had not come to teach but to awaken. From one of his messages:What did Meher Baba teach humanity in this time and age?
Some people ask why is there multiple religions in the world, which God is true the christians God or the Islamic Allah?
But what if I told you that divine revelation is progressive, that truth is not absolute but relative.
That Prophets / Messengers known as Manifestations of God has been sent in every age in human history and evolution to guide humanity in the right spiritual path, that the holy Bible and holy Qur'an was divine education that was suited for the time and age in which it was revealed in. And that we have a current Prophet / Messenger / Manifestation of God, and current divine scriptures / education for this time and age that we live in right now.
What if how we understand God was, of necessity, highly dependent on who we are individually?
I think it is important to understand that, not everyone fits the same glove so to speak. So even I don't doubt that the Baha'u'llah hold the truth for those who follow him, as others have said, you will find that many people will disagree with your OP, But that is natural. they want to protect their own beliefs and understanding of their religion or worldview.Some people ask why is there multiple religions in the world, which God is true the christians God or the Islamic Allah?
But what if I told you that divine revelation is progressive, that truth is not absolute but relative.
That Prophets / Messengers known as Manifestations of God has been sent in every age in human history and evolution to guide humanity in the right spiritual path, that the holy Bible and holy Qur'an was divine education that was suited for the time and age in which it was revealed in. And that we have a current Prophet / Messenger / Manifestation of God, and current divine scriptures / education for this time and age that we live in right now.
I think it is important to understand that, not everyone fits the same glove so to speak. So even I don't doubt that the Baha'u'llah hold the truth for those who follow him, as others have said, you will find that many people will disagree with your OP, But that is natural. they want to protect their own beliefs and understanding of their religion or worldview.
But one thing I do agree with you on is that each time of human history do have an enlighten master of some sort, who will be teaching a true path toward some kind of enlightenment or salvation.
Well, truth is everywhere yes. But when we have a teacher or master we cultivate their teaching so we become the teaching our self. so where i maybe disagree with Baha`i teaching is to take form anything that fit us and try to fit it in to a belief. because if we take something from Buddha Sakyamuni, a little bit from Muhammad, a little from Jesus. and we try to mix this together. we will experience that even they all were speaking truth and was teaching a true path. it was on different levels of wisdom. so as a follower it will be difficult to grasp the very highest truth if two masters say something that sounds to not fit together. But when we look at it separately we can see that yes both speak the truth. but one spoke from a higher level of wisdom, and then the other master will not be able to see that same truth."they want to protect their own beliefs and understanding of their religion or worldview".
That's basically tribalism which is the problem that the world have right now.
We have to learn to find truths where ever they are.
Maybe an even better question is -- Is it believable that God would speak once for all time and never speak again?Is progressive revelation believable?
I think I believe more in progressive inspiration than revelation. God continuously inspires humans with truth in accordance with their capacity.Some people ask why is there multiple religions in the world, which God is true the christians God or the Islamic Allah?
But what if I told you that divine revelation is progressive, that truth is not absolute but relative.
That Prophets / Messengers known as Manifestations of God has been sent in every age in human history and evolution to guide humanity in the right spiritual path, that the holy Bible and holy Qur'an was divine education that was suited for the time and age in which it was revealed in. And that we have a current Prophet / Messenger / Manifestation of God, and current divine scriptures / education for this time and age that we live in right now.
Well, that is exactly what I was thinking too...
The Torah says, "No intermediaries between people and God" ( This is in the 10 commandments )
The New Testament says "Jesus is the intermediary/gate" (John 4:16 and others I think )
The Qur'an returns back to what The Torah says, "No intermediaries between people and God." ( clearly defined in the Qur'an as Shirk, i think )
That's not progressive, that's regressive: No intermediary >>> Intermediary >>> No Intermediary. Perhaps The Torah stands alone, and is not part of the progression? If so, then taking the Torah out of the chain of revelation seems to make it progressive again. It would just be: Intermediary >>> No Intermediary. That seems like progress to me. But going back and forth from "No intermediary" to "Intermediary" then back again to "No Intermediary"... that's not progressive. Not if the Torah is included.
The same could be said of Jesus's revelation. It seems to me that "progressive" is a good description if Jesus's revelation is not part of the chain. That's an option , too, IMHO, if the revelation is to be understood as "progress". But as long as Jesus's revelation is in the middle, It just doesn't seem progressive to me. Something in the chain, either Jesus' revelation, or the Torah, does not fit into the model of "progressive revelation" as I am imagining it.
But that's just a guess. It's just how I picture it in my head. I'm not trying to be difficult.