So What Happened To All The Changes, Tribulations, And Woe Jesus Had Promised?

[3rdAngel]

You need to look at the newer translations of the Bible. Almost all of them say end of an age.
The Spirit of Christ did return at the end of the age and ushered in a new age in 1844.

No need. I prayerfully look at many translations considering both context of original languages used in both the old and new testament scriptures (Hebrew and Greek)

 

[3rdAngel]

It already happened.

Well if one does not believe the bible and God's Word perhaps . For me I choose to believe God's Word and you have been shown the supporting scriptures so no need to paste them here again. Your only repeating yourself and ignoring the scriptures in the previous posts shared with you. So your only denying God's Word not mine so your argument is with God not me.

 

[sooda]

Well if one does not believe the bible and God's Word perhaps . For me I choose to believe God's Word and you have been shown the supporting scriptures so no need to paste them here again. Your only repeating yourself and ignoring the scriptures in the previous posts shared with you. So your only denying God's Word not mine so your argument is with God not me.

Its all right there.. Futurism is pretty new. Do you know where it came from?

 

[sooda]

No need. I prayerfully look at many translations considering both context of original languages used in both the old and new testament scriptures (Hebrew and Greek)

You read Koine Greek and Hebrew?

 

[Trailblazer]

Well if one does not believe the bible and God's Word perhaps . For me I choose to believe God's Word and you have been shown the supporting scriptures so no need to paste them here again. Your only repeating yourself and ignoring the scriptures in the previous posts shared with you. So your only denying God's Word not mine so your argument is with God not me.

It is YOUR interpretation of God's Word. Why can't you understand that?
It there is only one interpretation of God's Word why do you think there are so many sects of Christianity and so many disagreements among Christians?
They are all reading from the SAME Bible.
Why do you think are you right and the other Christians are are wrong?

 

[Trailblazer]

No need. I prayerfully look at many translations considering both context of original languages used in both the old and new testament scriptures (Hebrew and Greek)

So what? Then you interpret what you read and assign meanings to the words on the page.
All the other Christians study just like you do, but they do not agree with everything you believe, so what does that tell you?

It tells anyone with logical abilities that there is more than ONE WAY to interpret the Bible.
In other words, the same verses in the Bible can have more than one meaning and given they can all have various meanings, they can tell a completely different story, depending upon how you interpret them.

 

[3rdAngel]

It is YOUR interpretation of God's Word. Why can't you understand that?
It there is only one interpretation of God's Word why do you think there are so many sects of Christianity and so many disagreements among Christians?
They are all reading from the SAME Bible.
Why do you think are you right and the other Christians are are wrong?

No! I let the scriptures of God's Word interpret themselves applying context line upon line here a little there a little. A correct understanding though of God's Word, does not come by the ways of the world or by using the correct study methods alone. The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God and it was the worldly wise of God's people ISRAEL that put JESUS on the cross and crucified him. We can only know Gods Word as we seek him for an understanding of it and believe and follow his Word and claim his promises *John 14:26; John 16:13; John 17:17; John 7:17; John 8:31-36; Hebrews 8:11. There is a test in God's Word to know if someone is from God or not according to the scriptures. Do you know what it is?

 

[3rdAngel]

So what? Then you interpret what you read and assign meanings to the words on the page.
All the other Christians study just like you do, but they do not agree with everything you believe, so what does that tell you? It tells anyone with logical abilities that there is more than ONE WAY to interpret the Bible. In other words, the same verses in the Bible can have more than one meaning and given they can all have various meanings, they can tell a completely different story, depending upon how you interpret them.

It tells me that the signs of MATTHEW 24 are coming true in our very time and that there is many false prophets and false Christs gone out into the world to deceive if possible God's very elect.

 

[Trailblazer]

No! I let the scriptures of God's Word interpret themselves applying context line upon line here a little there a little. A correct understanding though of God's Word, does not come by the ways of the world or by using the correct study methods alone. The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God and it was the worldly wise of God's people ISRAEL that put JESUS on the cross and crucified him. We can only know Gods Word as we seek him for an understanding of it and believe and follow his Word and claim his promises *John 14:26; John 16:13; John 17:17; John 7:17; John 8:31-36; Hebrews 8:11. There is a test in God's Word to know if someone is from God or not according to the scriptures. Do you know what it is?

No, words do not interpret themselves. People read them and interpret them as they read them.
If words interpreted themselves then everyone would agree what the words mean. Do you use logic at all?

ALL Christians think they have a correct understanding but that is impossible because their understandings are different..
Other Christians also say "We can only know Gods Word as we seek him for an understanding of it and believe and follow his Word and claim his promises" but they have DIFFERENT interpretations of the SAME words.

If there is a test in the scriptures, to know if someone is from God or not you would be interpreting it to mean what you believe it means.
You really do not understand what I mean, do you?

 

[Trailblazer]

It tells me that the signs of MATTHEW 24 are coming true in our very time and that there is many false prophets and false Christs gone out into the world to deceive if possible God's very elect.

If other Christians do not agree with your interpretation it is not because of a false prophet. It is because they interpreted the verses differently because they think differently than you do. Can't you even imagine that someone would interpret the same verses differently than you do? Can't you even imagine you could be wrong? Are you infallible? Only God is infallible.

 

[ecco]

Pretty easy one to answer. MATTHEW 24:34 "This generation" is talking about the last generation before JESUS returns in answer to the question being asked in the context of MATTHEW 24:3 but your too busy trying to find fault you could not see it.

Placing his disciples within the tribulations decidedly establishes the generation Jesus was talking about: the generation existing at that time.

The mental gymnastics fundamentalists like 3rdAngel go through to try to manipulate written scripture to be in accord with their beliefs is amazing indeed.

It's also very nonsensical. These folks believe the writings in the Bible are inspired by God. One would think that God's writings are very clear and accept them at face value. But, no. If they don't say what you want them to say, just twist and turn and hope no one notices.

 

[ecco]

There will be no second coming of the same man Jesus. Jesus never promised to return, not once in the entire NT.
The second coming refers to the return of the Spirit of Christ, not to the physical body of Jesus dropping down from heaven on the clouds. That false belief came about from misinterpreting scripture.

And here we have another interpretation of the same God-inspired scripture. If it is God-inspired and since it is so vague, it is another example of God not doing a very good ob.

 

[ecco]

The Lord used a multitude of spiritual references especially in The parables is it possible that the generation he was speaking of was the spiritual generation?

And yet another interpretation!

 

[Alone]

I don't like to consider it a interpretation more like just a possibility, obviously this is a hard scripture to interpret!

 

[ecco]

You should probably study some first century history.

I do. I study the bible.

Here we see another excellent example of the mindset of fundamentalists. They believe the Bible is History and they need look nowhere else.

It shows a desperate need for everything to be simplistic.

Science? Read the Bible.
History? Read the Bible.
There is white and there is black.
There is good and there is evil.
-Simple-


However, the real world is far more complex and complicated.

 

[ecco]

You need to look at the newer translations of the Bible. Almost all of them say end of an age.
The Spirit of Christ did return at the end of the age and ushered in a new age in 1844.

If you are saying Ballulah is the returning Spirit of Christ then wasn't Mohammed also a returning Spirit of Christ?

 

[ecco]

Why do you think are you right and the other Christians are are wrong?

Why do you think are you right and the other Christians are wrong?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

If you are saying Ballulah is the returning Spirit of Christ then wasn't Mohammed also a returning Spirit of Christ?

Yes and foretold in the scriptures

Regards Tony

 

[3rdAngel]

The mental gymnastics fundamentalists like 3rdAngel go through to try to manipulate written scripture to be in accord with their beliefs is amazing indeed. It's also very nonsensical. These folks believe the writings in the Bible are inspired by God. One would think that God's writings are very clear and accept them at face value. But, no. If they don't say what you want them to say, just twist and turn and hope no one notices.

The natural man receives not not the things of receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He takes the wise in their own craftiness and again, The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. Some things are too hard to understand according to the scriptures of the fool that says in his heart there is no God *Psalms 14:1

 

[3rdAngel]

Here we see another excellent example of the mindset of fundamentalists. They believe the Bible is History and they need look nowhere else.

It shows a desperate need for everything to be simplistic.

Science? Read the Bible.
History? Read the Bible.
There is white and there is black.
There is good and there is evil.
-Simple-


However, the real world is far more complex and complicated.

There is biblical history pertaining to the bible which was the discussion and context to what we were talking about and history written outside of the bible although the one outside of the bible can be biased based on the writter of that history written or re-written by people with agendas. I read history, science, good and evil in context to the bible not outside of it. You do otherwise because your trying to understand things you do not know about. According to the scriptures the fool says in his heart there is no God. The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He takes the wise in their own craftiness and again, The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. According to the scriptures all your preaching is vanity and foolishness. Trying to claim that you have all the answers but you do not because you have closed your eyes and ears to talk about things you know nothing about.