LightofTruth
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In Greek, the word Tartarus refers to a place. It would therefore be a noun. It was understood as a place lower than Hades. But my question is, how would I say being cast into Tartarus as a verb?
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Do not claim knowing old or new Greek, but it may be of help?In Greek, the word Tartarus refers to a place. It would therefore be a noun. It was understood as a place lower than Hades. But my question is, how would I say being cast into Tartarus as a verb?
this might be what you are looking forIn Greek, the word Tartarus refers to a place. It would therefore be a noun. It was understood as a place lower than Hades. But my question is, how would I say being cast into Tartarus as a verb?
You want Tartarus to be a verb itself?In Greek, the word Tartarus refers to a place. It would therefore be a noun. It was understood as a place lower than Hades. But my question is, how would I say being cast into Tartarus as a verb?
In 2 Peter 2:4 it is a verb. That's why additional words were added in English. "cast them into".You want Tartarus to be a verb itself?
Do you have any evidence that Tartarus is a condition rather than a place?Tartarus is a very misunderstood and mistranslated word....
"TARTARUS......
A prisonlike, abased condition into which God cast disobedient angels in Noah’s day.
This word is found but once in the inspired Scriptures, at 2 Peter 2:4. The apostle writes: “God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.” The expression “throwing them into Tartarus” is from the Greek verb tar·ta·roʹo and so includes within itself the word “Tartarus.”
A parallel text is found at Jude 6: “And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.” Showing when it was that these angels “forsook their own proper dwelling place,” Peter speaks of “the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days, while the ark was being constructed.” (1 Peter 3:19, 20) This directly links the matter to the account at Genesis 6:1-4 concerning “the sons of the true God” who abandoned their heavenly abode to cohabit with women in pre-Flood times and produced children by them, such offspring being designated as Nephilim.
From these texts it is evident that Tartarus is a condition rather than a particular location, inasmuch as Peter, on the one hand, speaks of these disobedient spirits as being in “pits of dense darkness,” while Paul speaks of them as being in “heavenly places” from which they exercise a rule of darkness as wicked spirit forces. (Peter 2:4; Ephesians 6:10-12) The dense darkness similarly is not literally a lack of light but results from their being cut off from illumination by God as renegades and outcasts from his family, with only a dark outlook as to their eternal destiny.
Tartarus is, therefore, not the same as the Hebrew Sheol or the Greek Hades, both of which refer to the common earthly grave of mankind. This is evident from the fact that, while the apostle Peter shows that Jesus Christ preached to these “spirits in prison,” he also shows that Jesus did so, not during the three days while buried in Hades (Sheol), but after his resurrection out of Hades.—1 Peter 3:18-20."
Tartarus — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
That's a verb. But Tartarus is in Greek a place. It's a place considered to be lower than hades(the grave).
Many commentators understand the "son of God" in Genesis 6 to be men and not angels of God in heaven.Tartarus is a very misunderstood and mistranslated word....
"TARTARUS......
A prisonlike, abased condition into which God cast disobedient angels in Noah’s day.
This word is found but once in the inspired Scriptures, at 2 Peter 2:4. The apostle writes: “God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.” The expression “throwing them into Tartarus” is from the Greek verb tar·ta·roʹo and so includes within itself the word “Tartarus.”
A parallel text is found at Jude 6: “And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.” Showing when it was that these angels “forsook their own proper dwelling place,” Peter speaks of “the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days, while the ark was being constructed.” (1 Peter 3:19, 20) This directly links the matter to the account at Genesis 6:1-4 concerning “the sons of the true God” who abandoned their heavenly abode to cohabit with women in pre-Flood times and produced children by them, such offspring being designated as Nephilim.
From these texts it is evident that Tartarus is a condition rather than a particular location, inasmuch as Peter, on the one hand, speaks of these disobedient spirits as being in “pits of dense darkness,” while Paul speaks of them as being in “heavenly places” from which they exercise a rule of darkness as wicked spirit forces. (Peter 2:4; Ephesians 6:10-12) The dense darkness similarly is not literally a lack of light but results from their being cut off from illumination by God as renegades and outcasts from his family, with only a dark outlook as to their eternal destiny.
Tartarus is, therefore, not the same as the Hebrew Sheol or the Greek Hades, both of which refer to the common earthly grave of mankind. This is evident from the fact that, while the apostle Peter shows that Jesus Christ preached to these “spirits in prison,” he also shows that Jesus did so, not during the three days while buried in Hades (Sheol), but after his resurrection out of Hades.—1 Peter 3:18-20."
Tartarus — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
It certainly appears that way. It's a shortened form of kata-tartaroo.That's a verb. But Tartarus is in Greek a place. It's a place considered to be lower than hades(the grave).
So, if Tartarus is a place then it's not a verb.However, if I wanted to say "cast them down into Tartaus as a verb in Greek I would use the word ταρταρόω tartaroō?
Do you have any evidence that Tartarus is a condition rather than a place?
All the evidence outside of Scripture refers to it as a place not a condition.
The reason JW's refer to Tartaus as a condition is because they claim that angels became demons. However, the Scripture NEVER associates angels with demons. Nor does it associate Satan as an angel.
Many commentators understand the "son of God" in Genesis 6 to be men and not angels of God in heaven.
The sons of God had their own habitation on the earth just as others who did not follow God's way had their own location on earth.
When the son's of God left their own habitation to seek after the women of men, it was the final straw. God knew that His sons would be influenced away from Him by the disobedient ones, just as Solomon was.
So God brought the flood a wiped out all life except Noah and his family.
The men who died in the flood were swallowed up by the water and cast into an abyss of a grave. They died and are still there today awaiting judgment day.
Now, lets look at what Peter says about the "spirits in prison".
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Peter says that Christ was there "by the Spirit" when Noah, who is said to be a preacher of righteousness, was preaching while the ark was in building. So, the same spirit that was in Christ was in Noah during the time the ark was being prepared and Noah was preaching to men to be saved.
The only ones left alive were Noah and his family. And those spirits who are now in the prison house of the grave are waiting for judgment day when they will be raised from the abyss(Tartarus) they were swallowed up in to be judged.
tartaro (ταρταρω in greek)In Greek, the word Tartarus refers to a place. It would therefore be a noun. It was understood as a place lower than Hades. But my question is, how would I say being cast into Tartarus as a verb?