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Question for those who know ancient Greek

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by LightofTruth, Dec 2, 2019 at 2:17 PM.

  1. LightofTruth

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    In Greek, the word Tartarus refers to a place. It would therefore be a noun. It was understood as a place lower than Hades. But my question is, how would I say being cast into Tartarus as a verb?
     
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    this might be what you are looking for

    Strong's G5020
     
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    Tartarus is a very misunderstood and mistranslated word....

    "TARTARUS......

    A prisonlike, abased condition into which God cast disobedient angels in Noah’s day.

    This word is found but once in the inspired Scriptures, at 2 Peter 2:4. The apostle writes: “God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.” The expression “throwing them into Tartarus” is from the Greek verb tar·ta·roʹo and so includes within itself the word “Tartarus.”

    A parallel text is found at Jude 6: “And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.” Showing when it was that these angels “forsook their own proper dwelling place,” Peter speaks of “the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days, while the ark was being constructed.” (1 Peter 3:19, 20) This directly links the matter to the account at Genesis 6:1-4 concerning “the sons of the true God” who abandoned their heavenly abode to cohabit with women in pre-Flood times and produced children by them, such offspring being designated as Nephilim.

    From these texts it is evident that Tartarus is a condition rather than a particular location, inasmuch as Peter, on the one hand, speaks of these disobedient spirits as being in “pits of dense darkness,” while Paul speaks of them as being in “heavenly places” from which they exercise a rule of darkness as wicked spirit forces. (Peter 2:4; Ephesians 6:10-12) The dense darkness similarly is not literally a lack of light but results from their being cut off from illumination by God as renegades and outcasts from his family, with only a dark outlook as to their eternal destiny.

    Tartarus is, therefore, not the same as the Hebrew Sheol or the Greek Hades, both of which refer to the common earthly grave of mankind. This is evident from the fact that, while the apostle Peter shows that Jesus Christ preached to these “spirits in prison,” he also shows that Jesus did so, not during the three days while buried in Hades (Sheol), but after his resurrection out of Hades.—1 Peter 3:18-20."


    Tartarus — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
     
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    You want Tartarus to be a verb itself? :confused:
     
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    To be more specific, how is a noun expressed as a verb?

    For example, the earth is a place
    In 2 Peter 2:4 it is a verb. That's why additional words were added in English. "cast them into".
     
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    Do you have any evidence that Tartarus is a condition rather than a place?
    All the evidence outside of Scripture refers to it as a place not a condition.

    The reason JW's refer to Tartaus as a condition is because they claim that angels became demons. However, the Scripture NEVER associates angels with demons. Nor does it associate Satan as an angel.
     
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    That's a verb. But Tartarus is in Greek a place. It's a place considered to be lower than hades(the grave).

    So, if Tartarus is a place then it's not a verb.However, if I wanted to say "cast them down into Tartaus as a verb in Greek I would use the word ταρταρόω tartaroō?
     
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    Many commentators understand the "son of God" in Genesis 6 to be men and not angels of God in heaven.

    The sons of God had their own habitation on the earth just as others who did not follow God's way had their own location on earth.
    When the son's of God left their own habitation to seek after the women of men, it was the final straw. God knew that His sons would be influenced away from Him by the disobedient ones, just as Solomon was.

    So God brought the flood a wiped out all life except Noah and his family.

    The men who died in the flood were swallowed up by the water and cast into an abyss of a grave. They died and are still there today awaiting judgment day.

    Now, lets look at what Peter says about the "spirits in prison".

    1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
    1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
    1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

    Peter says that Christ was there "by the Spirit" when Noah, who is said to be a preacher of righteousness, was preaching while the ark was in building. So, the same spirit that was in Christ was in Noah during the time the ark was being prepared and Noah was preaching to men to be saved.

    The only ones left alive were Noah and his family. And those spirits who are now in the prison house of the grave are waiting for judgment day when they will be raised from the abyss(Tartarus) they were swallowed up in to be judged.
     
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    It certainly appears that way. It's a shortened form of kata-tartaroo.
     
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    "Jude 6: “And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.” Showing when it was that these angelsforsook their own proper dwelling place,” Peter speaks of the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days, while the ark was being constructed.” (1 Peter 3:19, 20) This directly links the matter to the account at Genesis 6:1-4 concerning “the sons of the true God” who abandoned their heavenly abode to cohabit with women in pre-Flood times and produced children by them, such offspring being designated as Nephilim."

    Why speak of men taking women in marriage as if it were an unusual occurrence? It was how the human race was produced up until that time. There is nothing in the Bible to support your assumptions.

    The Bible itself indicates that angels are faithful to their God, whereas demons are the fallen disobedient angels who joined satan in his rebellion....the ones who abused their free will and God-given abilities to satisfy lust as humans on earth. Why do you think God took such drastic measures to rid the world of them? The Nephilim, as their human offspring, he destroyed because they were mortals, but their angelic fathers were left with nowhere to go as God flooded the whole earth so that they had to dematerialize or die with their human flesh. Tartarus is the spiritually debased condition of being in spiritual darkness...in prison-like bonds. Those "spirits in prison" received a judgment call after Jesus' resurrection.
    But God was not finished with them just yet....they will spend 1,000 years in prison whist God fixes all the mess they caused down here. Then they will be released for a little while to test those who have never had their faith tested.....only then will God destroy them all.



    But if you use other scripture, you will see that these "sons of God" were materialized angels, not descendants of Adam or any other humans that some people want to invent before Adam's creation...

    Where will I find any of that in scripture?
    Adam was the first man and all who descended from him were the inheritors of his sin (imperfection leading to aging, sickness and death) These "sons of God" were angels who left the spirit realm (their own natural habitation) to materialize and to enjoy the pleasures of the flesh, which was a completely unnatural thing for them to do. Sin corrupts both humans and angels.

    The Bible says that other spirit beings, like the three materialized angels who visited Abraham at Mamre, and Gabriel who brought the news of Jesus arrival to Mary, were used to bring messages to God's human servants on earth. They were human in every respect.

    The offspring of the angels were the 'Nephilim', who were gigantic bullies bent on violence and immorality. They influenced the whole world at that time so that only Noah and his family were found as righteous ones...the Nephilim perished in the flood because they had no right to exist....those who ignored Noah were warned but failed to heed his warning.

    The Nephilim were not sons of Adam and therefore not in line for the redemption made possible by the coming seed.


    Let's look at that scripture in modern English, shall we?

    "For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water."

    No that is not what the scripture is saying......it is saying that after he was resurrected, Jesus went to preach to those "spirits in prison" who were formerly disobedient when the ark was being constructed....not that Christ was there in Noah when it was being built.

    Why do you have a problem angels and demons? The Bible is pretty clear about who the demons are. If Jesus and his apostles could expel them, and they spoke on occasion, then they must have been entities who inhabited human bodies. That is what demon possession is. Once the demons could no longer materialize, they had to wreak havoc by entering the bodies of humans....or even animals. (Luke 8:26-34)

    The demons were going to be very active on earth in the last days because of being evicted from heaven.

    Revelation 12:7-12...
    "And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

    “Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! 11 And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. 12 On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.


    Explain this one please....the dragon is satan the devil and he has his angels.....there was a war in heaven...with whom?
    Michael evicted satan out of heaven, so can you tell me how he could do that if there is no flesh in heaven to experience lust of the flesh?

    Can you not see the marked increase in wickedness on the earth especially in the last half a century. Evil used to be subtle....now it is seen in all facets of human life. They even crave excessive violence and immorality in their entertainment.
    This is satan's last hurrah before God confines him and his angels in the abyss. (Revelation 20:1-3)
     
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