3rdAngel
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Nowhere in ANY of those verses does it say that the same man Jesus is going to return.
They shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds does not refer to Jesus.
and, BEHOLD, ONE LIKE THE SON OF MAN CAME WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN, AND CAME TO THE ANCIENT OF DAYS,
Jesus never promised to return, not once.
Seems like you disagree with Jesus or Jesus lied.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Christians believe the same physical body of Jesus returning because that is the Church teaching, but that is never going to happen. Physical bodies do not ascend into the clouds and they do not live in heaven because heaven is a purely spiritual world. The soul of Jesus is in heaven in a spiritual body and there He will stay, at the right hand of God.
Acts 1:10-11 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
The disciples were staring up into the sky. The two men dressed in white (angels) came along and asked why they were staring up into the sky. The two men then wondered why the disciples were staring up into the sky and said that the same Jesus who was taken up to heaven will return as he went to heaven. It does not say that the disciple saw a body go up.
It was the Christ Spirit that ascended, not a body, which is why the angels wondered why the disciples were staring into the sky, since there was nothing to look at. That makes sense since angels can see spirits. Descending from heaven upon the clouds means that the spirit of Jesus, the Christ Spirit, will be made manifest from the heaven of the will of God and will appear in the form of a human being who had the Christ Spirit. Though delivered from the womb of Mary, the soul of Jesus that has always existed descended from heaven, by the will of God.
Goodness my friend you have to deny a lot of scriptures to claim that even in the very post you are quoting from.
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Matthew 16:27 For THE SON OF MAN SHALL COME IN THE GLORY OF HIS FATHER WITH HIS ANGELS; AND THEN HE SHALL REWARD EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS.
Matthew 24:30-31 And THEN SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: AND THEN SHALL ALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH MOURN, AND SHALL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY. [31] And HE SHALL SEND HIS ANGELS WITH A GREAT SOUND OF A TRUMPET, AND THEY SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER.
Mark 13:26-27 And THEN SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS WITH GREAT POWER AND GLORY. [27] And THEN SHALL HE SEND HIS ANGELS AND SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM THE UTTERMOST PART OF THE EARTH to the uttermost part of heaven.
Acts 1:9-11 [9], And when he had spoken these things, WHILE THEY BEHELD, HE WAS TAKEN UP; AND A CLOUD RECEIVED HIM OUT OF THEIR SIGHT. [10], And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; [11], Which also said, YOU MEN OF GALILEE, WHY STAND YOU GAZING UP INTO HEAVEN? THIS SAME JESUS, WHICH IS TAKEN UP FROM YOU INTO HEAVEN, SHALL SO COME IN LIKE MANNER AS YOU HAVE SEEN HIM GO INTO HEAVEN.
2 Thessalonians 1:6-9 [6], Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; [7], And to you who are troubled rest with us, WHEN THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS, [8], IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD, AND THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST: [9], Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, AND FROM THE GLORY OF HIS POWER
2 Thessalonians 2:8, And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy WITH THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING
Revelation 22:12 And, BEHOLD, I COME QUICKLY; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
1 Thessalonians 2 4:15-17 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the COMING OF THE LORD shall not prevent [precede] them which are asleep. FOR THE LORD HIMSELF SHALL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN WITH A SHOUT, WITH THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL, AND WITH THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Yep someones going to be in for a shock at the second coming and the end of all things. I will leave that between you and God.
Thanks for the discussion.