“Was there a quid pro quo? The answer is yes”

[Polymath257]

They really only decide whether there is sufficient reason to come to trial. The Senate decides whether to remove the President from office or not. I don't think removal is likely.

The House is like the DA. They bring a case to trial, if there is no conviction folks question why the DA brought the case to trial in the first place.

Really? Do people wonder why Clinton was impeached even though he was acquitted?

 

[Nakosis]

Really? Do people wonder why Clinton was impeached even though he was acquitted?

Do you feel Clinton should have been impeached?

 

[Shad]

I thought it would be fun to let you argue it out with the people involved...



Trump disagrees...

Trump: “He (the President) just said, ‘I WANT NOTHING! I WANT NOTHING! I WANT NO QUID PRO QUO! TELL PRESIDENT ZELENSKY TO DO THE RIGHT THING!’ Later, Ambassador Sondland said that I told him, ‘Good, go tell the truth!’ This Witch Hunt must end NOW. So bad for our Country!”

You didn't read this did you?

Since the whistleblower was saying there was a quid pro quo...again Trump disagrees...

WH provided no evidence nor do we know who it is. Annoymous source say "what"

Trump: I think that whistleblower gave a lot of false information and you have to see who the whistleblower is. Once I released the transcript, which was almost immediately, the whistleblower's report was very wrong because as you know the whistleblower covered mostly my transcript, my call with the President of Ukraine,

This means nothing

Holmes: "Sondland told Trump that Zelensky 'loves your ***,' " ... "I then heard President Trump ask, 'So, he's gonna do the investigation?' Ambassador Sondland replied that 'he's gonna do it,' adding that President Zelensky will do 'anything you ask him to.'"

Hearsay

Sondland: "Based on the President's direction we were faced with a choice. We could abandon the goal of a White House meeting for President [Volodymyr] Zelenskiy ... or we could do as President Trump directed and talk to Mr. Giuliani to address the president's concerns."

Nothing burger.

Sondland: He wasn't even specific about what he wanted us to talk to Giuliani about. He just kept saying: Talk to Rudy. Talk to Rudy.

Nothing burger

Guliani: "If this guy is a whistle-blower, then I’m a whistle-blower too,” ... “You should be happy for your country that I uncovered this [Biden corruption]." brackets mine

Nothing burger.

 

[sealchan]

You didn't read this did you?



WH provided no evidence nor do we know who it is. Annoymous source say "what"



This means nothing





Hearsay





Nothing burger.



Nothing burger



Nothing burger.

You say its okay...Trump vehemently denies!

Anything that anyone who isn't Trump...their words are nothing burgers.

I think we are done.

 

[ecco]

You have to wonder why Trump seems to surround himself with people who turn on him. Is he so blind to bad character? Or is his character to much for other's to tolerate?

I'll go with "his character to much for other's to tolerate"

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Gordon Sondland Is about to testify before the impeachment inquiry in a few minutes. And he is going to say there was a quid pro quo.

The evidence of several impeachable offenses is empirical and obvious. And none of it matters, because the Senate will never vote to impeach Derpy Donny.

 

[Watchmen]

The whistleblower initially told of how Trump tried to start an illegal investigation of Biden.

The phone call transcript for one thing subtantiates the initial report.

The transcript does nothing of the sort. Is that the evidence that has everyone riled up?

 

[Watchmen]

The evidence of several impeachable offenses is empirical and obvious. And none of it matters, because the Senate will never vote to impeach Derpy Donny.

Care to list the evidence?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So your contention is that crime can't even be investigated if it's committed by a political opponent.

Uh, no.

Try reading my post again. You might notice the whole part about "using foreign aid as a bargaining chip".

Or maybe not, considering you've mentally blocked it from every post and apparently every news article on the issue.

This is funny since we really have only one party in Washington. The party of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich. No doubt Trump likes this system but he isn't playing by the rules of the left wing or the right wing. So they are out to get him.

For doing something potentially illegal and unconstitutional?

Those villains!

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Uh, no.

Try reading my post again. You might notice the whole part about "using foreign aid as a bargaining chip".

Or maybe not, considering you've mentally blocked it from every post and apparently every news article on the issue.


For doing something potentially illegal and unconstitutional?

Those villains!

And what about the nerve of that Vindman guy? Becoming a war hero and serving with distinction for years all just to make Trump look bad? So unfair!

 

[Shad]

You say its okay...Trump vehemently denies!

Denies what?

Anything that anyone who isn't Trump...their words are nothing burgers.

They have assumption. Assumptions do not make facts.

I think we are done.

Bring more than assumptions next time

 

[Jose Fly]

Gee....in what other context do we see people waving away inconvenient information as "assumptions"? I wonder......*cough*...creationism....*cough*.....

 

[sealchan]

Gee....in what other context do we see people waving away inconvenient information as "assumptions"? I wonder......*cough*...creationism....*cough*.....

No coincidence that a great many such popular forms of willful ignorance converge around Trump adulation...

evangelical protestant literalists
Evangelical approval of Trump remains high, but other religious groups are less supportive
Record Few Americans Believe Bible Is Literal Word of God

climate change deniers,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/13/trumps-climate-change-denial-is-political-loser/

 

[Salvador]

If you listen to the testimony you will realize that this is not what happened. The corrupt entity in this case was Trump.

Hillary Clinton's election campaign likely received financial support from the Biden family where Hunter Biden obtained millions of dollars from the corrupt Ukrainian energy company Burisma who has been funded by the formerly corrupt Ukrainian government whom the U.S government financial assisted when Joe Biden was Vice President; Ukraine in this round about way might have meddled in the U.S. Presidential election, which should be rightfully investigated by Ukraine. Hence, our P.O.T.U.S. Donald J. Trump had every right to kindly ask the Ukrainian President to investigate possible Ukrainian interference in the 2016 U.S. Presidential election. The corrupt entities here might actually be Ukraine and possibly Mr. Hunter Biden along with his father Joe Biden.

 

[Salvador]

True but irrelevant since the strings were for an investigation of Biden's son. And that is the crux here.

Please let's agree that any possible Ukrainian-Biden interference in the 2016 U.S. Presidential campaign should be investigated. As I'd just mentioned in my previous post, "Hillary Clinton's election campaign likely received financial support from the Biden family where Hunter Biden obtained millions of dollars from the corrupt Ukrainian energy company Burisma who has been funded by the formerly corrupt Ukrainian government whom the U.S government financial assisted when Joe Biden was Vice President; Ukraine in this round about way might have meddled in the U.S. Presidential election, which should be rightfully investigated by Ukraine. Hence, our P.O.T.U.S. Donald J. Trump had every right to kindly ask the Ukrainian President to investigate possible Ukrainian interference in the 2016 U.S. Presidential election. The corrupt entities here might actually be Ukraine and possibly Mr. Hunter Biden along with his father Joe Biden."

 

[cladking]

Those villains!

Then it would seem you must support the hostile take over of the country and Congress by the military industrial complex. It is a fait accompli anyway so we should all wave our banners and cheer.

 

[cladking]

When did it become so corrupt that a president asking a foreign country to announce an investigation into a political rival is considered acceptable?

If it was politically motivated it was wrong and he should lose the support of an educated citizenry. It it weren't then it wasn't even wrong.

Perhaps the Ukraine didn't support an investigation because they knew that it would show how corrupt their own country is. Perhaps they made sure this became news because they wanted Hillary all along. Obviously the first thing Hillary would have done was open up a war with Russia which the Ukraine would have won.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The transcript does nothing of the sort. Is that the evidence that has everyone riled up?

Okay, so you did not read it.

Let me explain to you, asking for an improper investigation of a political opponent is illegal. But you are done on your knees like so many other Trumpettes. Remember not to speak with your mouth full. Oh wait, according to reports that will not be a problem. Carry on.

And of course the claims of the whistleblower have been confirmed by witness after witness.

 

[Watchmen]

Okay, so you did not read it.

Let me explain to you, asking for an improper investigation of a political opponent is illegal. But you are done on your knees like so many other Trumpettes. Remember not to speak with your mouth full. Oh wait, according to reports that will not be a problem. Carry on.

And of course the claims of the whistleblower have been confirmed by witness after witness.

I read it the day it came out, and it doesn’t say what you claim. What part was “improper?”

And I’m an independent. I vote for the best candidate, regardless of party. Always have. Always will.

Your assumptions are telling. And your personal attacks disgusting. Such a loser.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I read it the day it came out, and it doesn’t say what you claim. What part was “improper?”

And I’m an independent. I vote for the best candidate, regardless of party. Always have. Always will.

Your assumptions are telling. And your personal attacks disgusting. Such a loser.

A politician cannot ask for an illegal investigation of a political rival. It is rather amazing that you do not realize this. That is why Republicans on his staff reacted to this.

Just a reminder, not all Republicans are boot licking immoral lackeys.

And what personal attacks? Helpful advice is not an attack.

Your claims about your supposed politics is belief by your unquestioned support for one of the worst Presidents in the history of the U.S.. Please watch the hypocrisy on personal attacks.

Here this might help you understand the transcript that you did not understand:

Trump-Ukraine controversy: With or without quid pro quo, it was wrong

And as we have heard from various witnesses, there was a quid pro quo despite Trump's denials. What Trump did was wrong and illegal. The only valid question is whether it rose to the severity of being worthy of impeachment.