What is the physical world?

[crossfire]

Yes, but when there is no speculation it is not wrong the only explanation of realization that physical world is not the real truth of existence

So, are the rupa dhammas real?

 

[Spirit of Light]

So, are the rupa dhammas real?

As long someone has not yet let go of the 5 fetters/hindrances they will experience this existence as a human being as real yes, they experience what is known as conventional truth. when the 5 hindrances are broken they will no longer be bound to this physical realm, and they see that (physical realm) is not the ultimate truth.

 

[Pudding]

What is the physical world?
The physical world is illusion. The physical world is not real.
The spiritual world is also illusion. The spiritual world is not real.

The invisible purple garden is real, because the invisible purple garden is permanence and solid.

Please don't ask me to provide evidence to prove the invisible purple garden is real, because i cannot prove it is real to anyone. It's my personal experience that lead me to believe it's real. I cannot help anyone to find the truth that invisible purple garden is real, everyone have to find the truth by themselves. And if people cannot see the truth, that means they're gardenlly blind./s

 

[viole]

To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.

How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?

I get very clear and spiritual awareness of the physical realm, and its synergy with my spiritual mind, after drinking 10 shots of things like Vodka, belonging to the same realm.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Aupmanyav]

What i am struggling with here is the claim that the physical world is not real, only our consciousness and perception is real

Christine, please note that I am not a 'universal consciousness' man. Yes, there are views like this in Hinduism as also in Buddhism. Physical world may have some reality behind it, but what we perceive is absolute falsehood. This was very well understood even 3,000 years ago in the time of RigVeda and Buddha.

As for the kind of reality behind the observed phenomena, it cannot be eternal. That would be like the eternality of God and we will not be able to give any explanation. So, the only option is to accept that the reality is a phased thing, sometimes existing sometimes not existing, and arising out of 'absolute nothing'. RigVeda said (and I suppose you might be familiar with that line from what is known as the 'Hindu Creation hymn', because I have quoted it many times in the forum):

"Sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent."
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.

 

[sealchan]

To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.

How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?

The physical world is as we subjectively perceive it AND it is as its objective nature makes it. The objective reality of our physicality gives rise to our subjective, conscious experience of that reality.

It is as if reality is perpetually and sometimes awkwardly dancing with itself.

 

[ChristineM]

Christine, please note that I am not a 'universal consciousness' man. Yes, there are views like this in Hinduism as also in Buddhism. Physical world may have some reality behind it, but what we perceive is absolute falsehood. This was very well understood even 3,000 years ago in the time of RigVeda and Buddha.

As for the kind of reality behind the observed phenomena, it cannot be eternal. That would be like the eternality of God and we will not be able to give no explanation. So, the only option is to accept that the reality is a phased thing, sometimes existing sometimes not existing, and arising out of 'absolute nothing'. RigVeda said (and I suppose you might be familiar with that line from what is known as the 'Hindu Creation hymn', because I have quoted it many times in the forum):

"Sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent."
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.

Accepting reality is not real is not an option. Science is specific on its laws and the law of conservation of energy/matter denies that reality can then cannot exist.

 

[Aupmanyav]

ARE WHAT THEY ARE REGARDLESS WHETHER ANYONE IS THERE TO PERCEIVE IT OR NOT.

Yes, they are what they are regardless of whether there is an observer or not. Even at places where there are no observers (Moon, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Sun), these rules are followed since they are the same all over the universe, inherent properties.

 

[nPeace]

Blame God for that. Design fault.
Yeah, the 'physical world' is real but the question is 'how much real?'

What do you mean? God made consciousness with terrible images, do you mean?
What do you mean by "how much real"? Do you mean the physical world is real, but not all of it is? Which aspect of it is not real, do you think?

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Can I have you permission to strike you hard in the face?"

Hah, does not work. Because you, me, the slap, the pain, none of these is a reality in true sense. It is just not possible to ground those who believe in 'maya' (Hinduism) and 'anatta' (Buddhism - non-substantiativeness).

Accepting reality is not real is not an option. Science is specific on its laws and the law of conservation of energy/matter denies that reality can then cannot exist.

Well, we have virtual particles and 'multiverse' theories.
Universe - Wikipedia

 

[nPeace]

Clinging to the physical experiences is making you "see suffering" as a result of not being able to see the cause of the negativity in the world. Do Amanaki see what happens in the physical world? Yes, but not clinging to it make it possible to see that there is not one single cause to all the negativity, Suffering in the physical world is a result of past action that human clinging to. when a human can let go of everything from past experiences or the wish for something in the future and only live in the moment, suffering for this person stops.
Will it still be others suffering? yes until they can let go too. Suffering is a mental experience because we do not like what is experienced. when liking/disliking has been let go of. suffering ends

Sorry. I don't understand, and what you are saying is only boggling my mind. It feels like my neurons are going crazy. So it's okay.
I accept that you think the world is not real. I do. Cool.

 

[Aupmanyav]

What do you mean? God made consciousness with terrible images, do you mean?
What do you mean by "how much real"? Do you mean the physical world is real, but not all of it is? Which aspect of it is not real, do you think?

Yeah, if the universe and humans were created by any God, then it was a very defective design.
Shades of reality. Is it wholly real? Or partly real? Or not real at all.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Sorry. I don't understand, and what you are saying is only boggling my mind. It feels like my neurons are going crazy. So it's okay.
I accept that you think the world is not real. I do. Cool.

To make it more easy to understand, Cosmos (universe, Earth and so on) is impermanence, and when human being look at it with physical eyes, they do not see what is behind the existence of Cosmos, What we experience as reality or life in a body, disappear if you take away the experience of a self/ego. the only thing keeping human being within this physical realm is the clinging to a self/ego. When this has been let go of, one "see" or become able to experience the nonphysical realms.


There is only 4 realm of existence lower than human existence.

 

[nPeace]

Yeah, if the universe and humans were created by any God, then it was a very defective design.

How so?

Shades of reality. Is it wholly real? Or partly real? Or not real at all.

In other words... you don't know. Okay.

 

[nPeace]

To make it more easy to understand, Cosmos (universe, Earth and so on) is impermanence, and when human being look at it with physical eyes, they do not see what is behind the existence of Cosmos, What we experience as reality or life in a body, disappear if you take away the experience of a self/ego. the only thing keeping human being within this physical realm is the clinging to a self/ego. When this has been let go of, one "see" or become able to experience the nonphysical realms.


There is only 4 realm of existence lower than human existence.

Sounds like a crazy perspective theory.
So if four persons are looking at a grisly scene, and two turn away, those two are not holding on to their ego, so the scene is no longer real, but to the other two it is... and when it comes out in the media, that's from all those who refuse to let go of their ego. So everyone should just blind themselves.
Sorry, No. This is crazy, and the more you try to explain it, the more mind-boggling it become. So please don't try explaining it to me. Please. I'm good. Thank you.
You don't want me to end up in a mental asylum, do you.

 

[Link]

The world is program of living ideas brought to life by the mind of God and emanated from him from highest to lowest. There is no such thing as physical as imagined by people. Only Spiritual idea type existence exists.

 

[Terry Sampson]

There is no such thing as physical as imagined by people.

Can you clarify your claim? Either I understand your claim, and I do not agree, or I do not understand your claim and I am unable to agree or disagree.

 

[Link]

Can you clarify your claim? Either I understand your claim, and I do not agree, or I do not understand your claim and I am unable to agree or disagree.

What we imagine by physical is opposite to an idea type existence. We see ourselves which is an idea type existence, and we imagine something physical to form non-animate objects or our body. This is all impossible. For one, idea type existence is defined exactly the opposite type of existence as physical in that they are two different ways of existing, and can't have any interaction.

The only type of existence we can witness really is idea type existence, because we are that. Everything else we negate that from and imagine exists somehow (physical type), is impossible.

 

[stvdv]

To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.

How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?

The world is the reality of the lower senses
Freedom is the Reality of the higher Senses

 

[Link]

The world is the Reality of the lower senses
Freedom is the Reality of the higher Senses

Well said, except lowers senses can't tell you anything about reality, it's but an experience. It's our mind that says what we are touching is physical, and that is a belief. A belief dark forces try to make us have, but it is impossible.