So, are the rupa dhammas real?Yes, but when there is no speculation it is not wrong the only explanation of realization that physical world is not the real truth of existence
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So, are the rupa dhammas real?Yes, but when there is no speculation it is not wrong the only explanation of realization that physical world is not the real truth of existence
As long someone has not yet let go of the 5 fetters/hindrances they will experience this existence as a human being as real yes, they experience what is known as conventional truth. when the 5 hindrances are broken they will no longer be bound to this physical realm, and they see that (physical realm) is not the ultimate truth.So, are the rupa dhammas real?
To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.
How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?
Christine, please note that I am not a 'universal consciousness' man. Yes, there are views like this in Hinduism as also in Buddhism. Physical world may have some reality behind it, but what we perceive is absolute falsehood. This was very well understood even 3,000 years ago in the time of RigVeda and Buddha.What i am struggling with here is the claim that the physical world is not real, only our consciousness and perception is real
To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.
How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?
Christine, please note that I am not a 'universal consciousness' man. Yes, there are views like this in Hinduism as also in Buddhism. Physical world may have some reality behind it, but what we perceive is absolute falsehood. This was very well understood even 3,000 years ago in the time of RigVeda and Buddha.
As for the kind of reality behind the observed phenomena, it cannot be eternal. That would be like the eternality of God and we will not be able to give no explanation. So, the only option is to accept that the reality is a phased thing, sometimes existing sometimes not existing, and arising out of 'absolute nothing'. RigVeda said (and I suppose you might be familiar with that line from what is known as the 'Hindu Creation hymn', because I have quoted it many times in the forum):
"Sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent."
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.
Yes, they are what they are regardless of whether there is an observer or not. Even at places where there are no observers (Moon, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Sun), these rules are followed since they are the same all over the universe, inherent properties.ARE WHAT THEY ARE REGARDLESS WHETHER ANYONE IS THERE TO PERCEIVE IT OR NOT.
What do you mean? God made consciousness with terrible images, do you mean?Blame God for that. Design fault.
Yeah, the 'physical world' is real but the question is 'how much real?'
Hah, does not work. Because you, me, the slap, the pain, none of these is a reality in true sense. It is just not possible to ground those who believe in 'maya' (Hinduism) and 'anatta' (Buddhism - non-substantiativeness)."Can I have you permission to strike you hard in the face?"
Well, we have virtual particles and 'multiverse' theories.Accepting reality is not real is not an option. Science is specific on its laws and the law of conservation of energy/matter denies that reality can then cannot exist.
Sorry. I don't understand, and what you are saying is only boggling my mind. It feels like my neurons are going crazy. So it's okay.Clinging to the physical experiences is making you "see suffering" as a result of not being able to see the cause of the negativity in the world. Do Amanaki see what happens in the physical world? Yes, but not clinging to it make it possible to see that there is not one single cause to all the negativity, Suffering in the physical world is a result of past action that human clinging to. when a human can let go of everything from past experiences or the wish for something in the future and only live in the moment, suffering for this person stops.
Will it still be others suffering? yes until they can let go too. Suffering is a mental experience because we do not like what is experienced. when liking/disliking has been let go of. suffering ends
Yeah, if the universe and humans were created by any God, then it was a very defective design.What do you mean? God made consciousness with terrible images, do you mean?
What do you mean by "how much real"? Do you mean the physical world is real, but not all of it is? Which aspect of it is not real, do you think?
To make it more easy to understand, Cosmos (universe, Earth and so on) is impermanence, and when human being look at it with physical eyes, they do not see what is behind the existence of Cosmos, What we experience as reality or life in a body, disappear if you take away the experience of a self/ego. the only thing keeping human being within this physical realm is the clinging to a self/ego. When this has been let go of, one "see" or become able to experience the nonphysical realms.Sorry. I don't understand, and what you are saying is only boggling my mind. It feels like my neurons are going crazy. So it's okay.
I accept that you think the world is not real. I do. Cool.
How so?Yeah, if the universe and humans were created by any God, then it was a very defective design.
In other words... you don't know. Okay.Shades of reality. Is it wholly real? Or partly real? Or not real at all.
Sounds like a crazy perspective theory.To make it more easy to understand, Cosmos (universe, Earth and so on) is impermanence, and when human being look at it with physical eyes, they do not see what is behind the existence of Cosmos, What we experience as reality or life in a body, disappear if you take away the experience of a self/ego. the only thing keeping human being within this physical realm is the clinging to a self/ego. When this has been let go of, one "see" or become able to experience the nonphysical realms.
There is only 4 realm of existence lower than human existence.
There is no such thing as physical as imagined by people.
Can you clarify your claim? Either I understand your claim, and I do not agree, or I do not understand your claim and I am unable to agree or disagree.
The world is the reality of the lower sensesTo (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.
How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?
The world is the Reality of the lower senses
Freedom is the Reality of the higher Senses