What is the physical world?

[Spirit of Light]

They were given by Yahavah Elohim (Creator Divine Beings), this isn't El Elyon (God Most High).

I'm Zion Elohim (David's Flock Divine Beings), which means I'm from the same Source (El), and am another aspect of the Divine, which would give me authority to speak on it.

Like it says in the scriptures out of Zion shall come my Law (Isaiah 2:3), that Zion shall be the bringer of the Good News, as their Divine Being, and King (Isaiah 52:7).

The Commandments have been written out by a human being (Moses), who had very limited knowledge on quantum physics, compared to me who was there at their creation.

No Elohim would ever take the role of El, as it is idolatry.... The Source is ultimately all knowing, with 100% knowledge on everything, I'm just a servant of it who has been guided to know these things.

Ultimately if one existed before the Source was coded, is something one debates with ourself about, and isn't something one can discuss when we're only on basics.

In my opinion.

There is no sign that you are who you speak of, Wisdom level of the one you mention would be a lot higher then the wisdom you speak with i RF.
Maybe you think you are the one you speak of.

If you are who you say, you should be able to speak with Amanaki in telepathy, feel free to do so. and it will be answered

 

[wizanda]

Wisdom level of the one you mention would be a lot higher then the wisdom you speak with i RF.

What you're not getting is the Messiah is ever youthful like David was, and Yeshua points out to be as a child.

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the young goat; The calf, the young lion, and the fattened calf together; and a little child will lead them.

If you are who you say, you should be able to speak with Amanaki in telepathy, feel free to do so. and it will be answered

We've already done this, and already found you're generally looking for being accusative, before study, and meditating deeply on what is being said.

Since I've found some of the things expressed to you from the Source inspiring, thank you for providing contrast for it to speak through us.

Maybe you think you are the one you speak of.

I know the things I'm stating, as I've experienced them; the idea you asked for 'how do you perceive this realm', I express 'this is how I experience it', you then go to say 'that is wrong', seriously look at the one pointing, as you're always asking why everyone attacks your beliefs.
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In my opinion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

What you're not getting is the Messiah is ever youthful like David was, and Yeshua points out to be as a child.

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the young goat; The calf, the young lion, and the fattened calf together; and a little child will lead them.
We've already done this, and already found you're generally looking for being accusative, before study, and meditating deeply on what is being said.

Since I've found some of the things expressed to you from the Source inspiring, thank you for providing contrast for it to speak through us.

I know the things I'm stating, as I've experienced them; the idea you asked for 'how do you perceive this realm', I express 'this is how I experience it', you then go to say 'that is wrong', seriously look at the one pointing, as you're always asking why everyone attacks your beliefs.
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In my opinion.

You have not taken contact telepathically, because there has been no voice or thought that is from other than within Amanakis consciousness in the past or present that comes from Wizanda

you can tell what Amanaki do right now?

 

[crossfire]

Since i have not read hindu teaching i can not have picked it up there, and as far my realization goes, it is within dharma

That would be the Yogacara school. Other schools have different views.

Buddha said that speculation and conjecture regarding the material realm is a sign you are out of your mind.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.077.than.html

 

[SalixIncendium]

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[Spirit of Light]

That would be the Yogacara school. Other schools have different views.

Buddha said that speculation and conjecture regarding the material realm is a sign you are out of your mind.
Acintita Sutta: Unconjecturable

Yes, but when there is no speculation it is not wrong the only explanation of realization that physical world is not the real truth of existence

 

[wizanda]

You have not taken contact telepathically, because there has been no voice or thought that is from other than within Amanakis consciousness in the past or present that comes from Wizanda

This is the whole point of explaining the quantum physics, I personally find many people's level of consciousness at a lower plane...

Watching you reply like an accuser, I sent you a poem explaining it at the time, when I noticed you didn't really approach Satsang with any dignity.

Someone who comes back quick to reply, as they want to challenge an argument, is undisciplined like a Barbarian, and clearly not even attempting mindfulness.

you can tell what Amanaki do right now?

I'm not a fortune cookie, people always start asking random miracle questions; instead of learning that the simplicities are often some of the wisest steps we can make...

If we don't have the basics simple steps right, we can not learn the rest without falling over.

In my opinion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

This is the whole point of explaining the quantum physics, I personally find many people's level of consciousness at a lower plane...

Watching you reply like an accuser, I sent you a poem explaining it at the time, when I noticed you didn't really approach Satsang with any dignity.

Someone who comes back quick to reply, as they want to challenge an argument, is undisciplined like a Barbarian, and clearly not even attempting mindfulness.

I'm not a fortune cookie, people always start asking random miracle questions; instead of learning that the simplicities are often some of the wisest steps we can make...

If we don't have the basics simple steps right, we can not learn the rest without falling over.

In my opinion.

Sorry if you took it as accusation toward you, that was not intended, the only reason for answering the way that was done, is to get answers to underly the thought of Wizanda only being himself as an English person. Not a reincarnation of a God or Godlike being.

To mods, can we close this thread now since it got out of hand, and Amanaki do not want to hurt anyone.

 

[ChristineM]

Two people(A and B) looking at an object for 10 minutes, then turn around to a third person, and the f explain what they have seen. They will give two different answers because what they perceive as the object is experienced differently, they have not experienced the same because human beings see and understand things differently. so the only thing they have done is to say what their consciousness has experienced, they have not told what the object truly is.

Two people who "experience" the same "thing" will not actually have experienced the same. they can only experience what the consciousness gives access to Senses does not give a true answer. it only give what we think.

For example, a person gets a blindfold over the eyes. and is asked to feel an object that is named example a sculpture, and when the person does feel the object in their mind he/she will think sculpture. but when the blindfold is removed, the object is far from a sculpture. it is only imagination and the word sculpture that made the mind "think" the felt the sculpture. so we create our reality from ou thoughts, hearing, tastes, and feels. but it is not the truth that is experienced

All that says is that people are fallible. The object remains real and unchanged, it is the people who are imagining the object differently.

 

[ChristineM]

Who said anything about imagination?

From the OP
"To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment.

 

[blü 2]

To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.

How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?

The physical world is the world external to the self, the universe that (we presently think) began with the Big Bang.

The physical world is where our galaxy, our star, our planet and its satellite are.

The physical world is where abiogenesis occurred at least once, on Earth.

The physical world is where H sap sap, with a particularly complex brain, evolved.

The physical world is where your parents conceived you and into which you were born.

The physical world is where your air, water, food, shelter, society, sports, work, politics and economy are found.

 

[ChristineM]

That is the problem, and our senses are too limited.

Are you saying that if one cannot adequately sense an object (sight, smell, touch etc) one must make up an explanation upccount for your own limitations?

 

[SalixIncendium]

From the OP
"To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment.

I’m not clear on what point you’re attempting to make here unless you are somehow equating consciousness and perception with imagination.

 

[ChristineM]

I’m not clear on what point you’re attempting to make here unless you are somehow equating consciousness and perception with imagination.

Absolutely.

 

[wizanda]

Amanaki do not want to hurt anyone.

You don't hurt me by being argumentative, you hurt you; I was just explaining my understanding for your question, the answer becomes limited from no further inquiry.

We all have a perception from our own perspective, the wise will see their view is only one of many, and each is logical in its own way.

Limiting the perception is a weakness, that often will lead people to argue to maintain it.

In my opinion.

 

[Pudding]

To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.

How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?

What do you mean by "the physical world is not real"?

What is your definition of "real"?

 

[Spirit of Light]

What do you mean by "the physical world is not real"?

What is your definition of "real"?

There is nothing solid in the word. everything is impermanence.
Zoom in on any object, and if you zoom deep enough all you see is empty space, only the physical eyes of humans see it as solid.objects. but the eyes deceive the mind

 

[Pudding]

There is nothing solid in the word. everything is impermanence.
Zoom in on any object, and if you zoom deep enough all you see is empty space, only the physical eyes of humans see it as solid.objects. but the eyes deceive the mind

(1) Because the physical world is impermanence and not solid, therefor the physical world is not real? Your answer is yes or no?

(2) What is your definition of real?

(3) You believe the physical world is not real. You believe the spiritual world is real. Am i correct? Yes or no?

 

[Spirit of Light]

(1) Because there is nothing solid in the physical world and everything is impermanence, therefor the physical world is not real? Your answer is yes or no?

(2) What is your definition of real?

(3) You believe the physical world is not real. You believe the spiritual world is real. Am i correct? Yes or no?

1. What you call reality is only a gross reality, it is what you perceive to be true. So No this what is called real is not the real truth.
2. Dharma is real (teaching of Buddha)
3. Yes you are correct. What is experienced in this world can only be realized when Ego/self has been let go of. then one sees what is the truth. (this reality exists of suffering due to the attachment of self. (human life is suffering)

 

[Pudding]

1. What you call reality is only a gross reality, it is what you perceive to be true. So No this what is called real is not the real truth.

Your opinion that reality is a gross reality is noted.

So what is the real truth?

2. Dharma is real (teaching of Buddha)

So your definition of "real" is that it has the same meaning of "dharma"?
So by "the physical world is not real", you mean the "physical world is not dharma".

That's a very weird version of definition, and i recognized that you didn't use the dictionary's definition of real. Anyway, whatever.

3. Yes you are correct. What is experienced in this world can only be realized when Ego/self has been let go of. then one sees what is the truth.

The truth you're refering to is that "the physical world is not real"?

(this reality exists of suffering due to the attachment of self. (human life is suffering)

By reality, you mean fake reality?


What is the difference between truth and real truth?