What is the physical world?

[A Vestigial Mote]

Not going to argue with you about your understanding of it You see understand it differently and that is, of course, ok Your consciousness has a different experience of reality

@Amanaki - just one question before we end this:

Can you show me ONE example of an object that YOU, personally, have "manifested" by your act of perceiving it? And can you prove to me that no one else was able to perceive that object before you manifested it with your perception? Just ONE example will suffice.

 

[Spirit of Light]

@Amanaki - just one question before we end this:

Can you show me ONE example of an object that YOU, personally, have "manifested" by your act of perceiving it? And can you prove to me that no one else was able to perceive that object before you manifested it with your perception? Just ONE example will suffice.

No physical object has been manifested by Amanaki that others could not manifest in physical form, The only manifested that others could not replicate would be the consciousness during meditation, it is not in this realm of existence. So no physical evidence to give, sorry.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

No physical object has been manifested by Amanaki that others could not manifest in physical form, The only manifested that others could not replicate would be the consciousness during meditation, it is not in this realm of existence. So no physical evidence to give, sorry.

And this is exactly what I thought.

 

[Spirit of Light]

And this is exactly what I thought.

Ok Not a problem

 

[robocop (actually)]

To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.

How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?

I have my own philosophy that I cannot share. It is a lot like Epicurus' physics but modernized. Epicurus - Wikipedia -> Physics.

 

[SalixIncendium]

To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.

How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?

I see it similarly. In my understanding, relative reality is an illusory manifestation of consciousness.

 

[SalixIncendium]

This is not the matrix and it seems Amanaki ate too many mushrooms.

I probably eat too many mushrooms as well. Pizza, omelettes, enchiladas...I love them with mushrooms. I had this awesome crepe Florentine that had Swiss cheese, spinach, and mushrooms in it just the other day.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Try walking through a solid object and let me know how that goes lol. Or go stand in the middle of a highway and try to have all the fast moving solid object pass through you

I kind of think you're missing the point here. In a dream, you would likely not be able to walk though a solid object or have fast moving objects pass through you either. Nonetheless, you can see, hear, touch, taste and feel in a dream, no?

What makes this any different than these senses in relative reality?

 

[SalixIncendium]

The physical world is perceived through senses not thought imagination.

Who said anything about imagination?

 

[Earthtank]

I kind of think you're missing the point here. In a dream, you would likely not be able to walk though a solid object or have fast moving objects pass through you either. Nonetheless, you can see, hear, touch, taste and feel in a dream, no?

What makes this any different than these senses in relative reality?

Difference is you are awake and can actually..........you know what? Not even worth continuing. You are clearly living in the matrix

 

[SalixIncendium]

Difference is you are awake and can actually..........you know what? Not even worth continuing. You are clearly living in the matrix

Well yes...but some of us call it vyavaharika.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Well yes...but some of us call it vyavaharika.

Similar to Samvriti in Buddhism i would think?
Samvriti means Conventional truth as opposed to Absolute truth or reality.

 

[dybmh]

How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?

The union of matter and spirit.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Similar to Samvriti in Buddhism i would think?
Samvriti means Conventional truth as opposed to Absolute truth or reality.

A very similar concept, yes.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Two people(A and B) looking at an object for 10 minutes, then turn around to a third person, and the f explain what they have seen. They will give two different answers because what they perceive as the object is experienced differently, they have not experienced the same because human beings see and understand things differently. so the only thing they have done is to say what their consciousness has experienced, they have not told what the object truly is.

I rather suspect that while the descriptions of what those two people saw might be a bit different, I really do not think they would be all that different. Let's make the object in question a large dog -- say a St. Bernard. I doubt that person A would come back and say, "I saw a birthday balloon" and person B wouldn't report having seen a flying monkey just like in the Wizard of Oz.

We may experience the world slightly differently, because our experiences are filtered through the organs senses, and modified to our own internal set of notions and experiences. But that DOES NOT MEAN that the world isn't really there. You experience the world because you are part of the world. You can interact with it, and it with you. Even though, as you said earlier, if you zoom in closely you may find that there's "nothing there," that is not the case. There's lots there -- the forces that act at the sub-atomic level are very real and measurable, and they do very predictable things that can be beautifully described with mathematics. And that's why you can't walk through walls, and why the truck on the highway will run you down and kill you if you stand there. Because it's real, and so are you!

 

[Spirit of Light]

I rather suspect that while the descriptions of what those two people saw might be a bit different, I really do not think they would be all that different. Let's make the object in question a large dog -- say a St. Bernard. I doubt that person A would come back and say, "I saw a birthday balloon" and person B wouldn't report having seen a flying monkey just like in the Wizard of Oz.

We may experience the world slightly differently, because our experiences are filtered through the organs senses, and modified to our own internal set of notions and experiences. But that DOES NOT MEAN that the world isn't really there. You experience the world because you are part of the world. You can interact with it, and it with you. Even though, as you said earlier, if you zoom in closely you may find that there's "nothing there," that is not the case. There's lots there -- the forces that act at the sub-atomic level are very real and measurable, and they do very predictable things that can be beautifully described with mathematics. And that's why you can't walk through walls, and why the truck on the highway will run you down and kill you if you stand there. Because it's real, and so are you!

If the mind is a part of the physical world, how do you interact with "your self" in this matter? the only way that would be possible is if the mind creates the reality that the Eye-consciousness is experienced, or the sound is Ear-Consciousness or taste is taste-Consciousness. everything happens within the consciousness

 

[Twilight Hue]

To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.

How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?

I kind of agree with you that it's our perceptions and such. I think that the physical world is dynamic and viewed from perspectives we may not even consider.

I mean what's the physical world to a rock or to a dead person as opposed to a living human being or an animal? What about mental ailments and deficiency? I tend to think we grasp things, and then at the same time lose it in what seems to be a never-ending cycle.

 

[wandering peacefully]

To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.

How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?

Well, my 38 year old Son in law, husband of my daughter and father of my 8 and 10 year old is lying in a hospital bed dying of some horrible cancer. Believe me as an experienced consciousness seeker, it is physical and it is real.

Not all life can be lived in the otherworld. Sometimes reality is real.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

@Amanaki - just one question before we end this:

Can you show me ONE example of an object that YOU, personally, have "manifested" by your act of perceiving it? And can you prove to me that no one else was able to perceive that object before you manifested it with your perception? Just ONE example will suffice.

This is the kind of question I always want asked in this sort of topic. And no answer that I have yet seen suggests that there is not a reality.

Just think, the last time you went wilderness camping, and took your dog along. There you are sitting before a small fire at dusk, you and the dog munching on some snacks, and a bear wanders onto the scene. You and the dog notice it simultaneously -- the dog's hackles going up and mouth turning to snarl, while you have a moment of instant fear. What the bear feels is unknown. But here's the question: which of you -- the dog, you, or the bear conjured up this meeting -- and how was that instantly communicated to the other parties so that they all managed to play their appropriate roles in the situation?

Or again, as I ask this question -- since the supposition is that this is all in my imagination -- how is it that I'm managing to get it into the imaginations of everybody else who reads this post, so that they know what I have conjured? It cannot be by this post alone, because in order to read this post, the reader would have to imagine within their own mind first that I have written it. Otherwise, they'd never perceive it.

Can it get any sillier? I ask you.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Well, my 38 year old Son in law, husband of my daughter and father of my 8 and 10 year old is lying in a hospital bed dying of some horrible cancer. Believe me as an experienced consciousness seeker, it is physical and it is real.

Not all life can be lived in the otherworld. Sometimes reality is real.

I'm grieved for you and your family.