The biogeographic evidence for evolution

[tas8831]

Show us evidence from a credible source (i.e., NOT Weikart) that demonstrates this plan was founded on Darwinian principles of natural selection.

Then demonstrate that even if this were so, it can be considered evidence against evolution.

I cannot wait!

And he never did....

 

[viole]

We are in the dark ages now thanks to sillyscience fables. The veneer of Christianity worn by nations should easily be seen through. How is it you seem to have difficulty doing so?

We are not in the dark ages anymore. You are, lol.

Ciao

- viole

 

[tas8831]

First they were "position papers", which are likely to have no scientific value. Now they have evolved into "secular peer-reviewed papers". By tomorrow they may be revelations carved in stone.

It is a strange excuse, to withhold works citing skeptical scrutiny as the reason for withholding, when subjecting such works to skeptical scrutiny is a keystone reason for publishing them in the first place.

The love of contradiction is a notable facet of the creationist mentality.

I could totally prove everything you think is wrong.

But i ain't gonna cuz you are mean.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I could totally prove everything you think is wrong.

But i ain't gonna cuz you are mean.

I can't handle the truth.

 

[tas8831]

I'm not smearing a respected branch of science, I'm pointing to how Hitler and Darwin would have agreed about the inferiority of blacks, and the necessity of races to struggle IF races are different species--you know, like "aboriginal man" and "occidental man", like when we were kids... or NOW. Gross!!!

I think there are many creationists - alive TODAY, that are far more opinionated than Darwin was regarding the "inferiority of blacks."

So let us compare this:

“It may be doubted whether any character can be named which is distinctive of a race and is constant.”

“This diversity of judgment does not prove that the races ought not to be ranked as species, but it shews that they graduate into each other, and that it is hardly possible to discover clear distinctive characters between them.”

“He who will read Mr. Tylor's and Sir J. Lubbock's interesting works can hardly fail to be deeply impressed with the close similarity between the men of all races in tastes, dispositions and habits. …and this fact can only be accounted for by the various races having similar inventive or mental powers.”​

-C. Darwin, Descent of Man, 1871

With this:

"The descendants of Ham were marked especially for secular service to mankind. Indeed they were to be 'servants of servants,' that is 'servants extraordinary!' Although only Canaan is mentioned specifically (possibly because the branch of Ham's family through Canaan would later come into most direct contact with Israel), the whole family of Ham is in view. The prophecy is worldwide in scope and, since Shem and Japheth are covered, all Ham's descendants must be also. These include all nations which are neither Semitic nor Japhetic. Thus, all of the earth's 'colored' races,--yellow, red, brown, and black--essentially the Afro-Asian group of peoples, including the American Indians--are possibly Hamitic in origin and included within the scope of the Canaanitic prophecy, as well as the Egyptians, Sumerians, Hittites, and Phoenicians of antiquity.

...Yet the prophecy again has its obverse side. Somehow they have only gone so far and no farther. The Japhethites and Semites have, sooner or later, taken over their territories, and their inventions, and then developed them and utilized them for their own enlargement. Often the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have become actual personal servants or even slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane matters, they have eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites.​

THAT^^^^^?

Dr. Henry Morris, YEC - the father of modern creationism
1991
The Beginning Of the World, Second Edition (1991), pp. 147-148



Looks like we can see who was ahead of his time, and who the real racist is.....


Good thing Hitler and Stalin were not privy to the racist rantings of creationist Christian Henry Morris!

 

[dad]

We are not in the dark ages anymore. You are, lol.

Ciao

- viole

I know you are but what am I?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Camp dogs gotta bark.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you want to construct models of the past based on claiming as science, that the nature and laws were a certain way, then you must support that.
I can believe history and the bible in the meanwhile.

I already did that as did others. You lost the right to make such demands when you denied that evidence without any support. The example I gave was the same one that @Polymath257 did much later. The spectra of the light from stars. That you would not let yourself understand that evidence is your problem, not mine.

When you own up to the fact that evidence has been given to you then you can demand it.

You try it. I accept reason and fact and knowledge. There is proof last month existed in this same nature we know today. Last century also. Thousands of years ago also. But NOT for several thousand years ago. That is unknown.

Shifting the burden of proof is the same as admitting that you are wrong. Thanks dad for defeating yourself again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Camp dogs gotta bark.

Especially when a dog has been kicked out of his usual house.

 

[dad]

I already did that as did others. .

Not true. That is why you can't link to it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not true. That is why you can't link to it.

dad, at best you did not understand. You could be lying. I need to remind you that just because you do not understand how people supported their claims does not mean that they did not do so.

Meanwhile you keep tacitly admitting that you are wrong.

I am ready to help you with the basics of science. But I need some guarantee that you will behave. Otherwise all we can do is to point out that the "fishbowl" you speak of is one that you put yourself inside of.

 

[dad]

dad, at best you did not understand. You could be lying. I need to remind you that just because you do not understand how people supported their claims does not mean that they did not do so.

Meanwhile you keep tacitly admitting that you are wrong.

I am ready to help you with the basics of science. But I need some guarantee that you will behave. Otherwise all we can do is to point out that the "fishbowl" you speak of is one that you put yourself inside of.

You don't have a link. Run.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't have a link. Run.

What are you babbling about now dad? Do you think that I could not repeat the evidence that tells us that your claims are false? Once again, your inability to understand evidence does not mean that it has not been presented. Meanwhile you have zip, nada, bupkis.

 

[dad]

What are you babbling about now dad? Do you think that I could not repeat the evidence that tells us that your claims are false? Once again, your inability to understand evidence does not mean that it has not been presented. Meanwhile you have zip, nada, bupkis.

No link..just false pretensions. Ok.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Why would I want to

How about: for the same reason that you want me to "prove" that the state wasn't different 10.000 years ago?
So go ahead, prove that the state wasn't different last Thursday.

, since I have no science claim it was either way?

So, you don't know what the state was last thursday?
But you do know what it was like 10.000 years ago?

Try to deal in reality

Try to support your 'science' claims.

Prove that last thursday the state was the same as today or the thursday prior to that.

 

[dad]

How about: for the same reason that you want me to "prove" that the state wasn't different 10.000 years ago?

No, I want you to prove what you claim as scientific fact, that nature was always the same! Either you can or cannot. Since you can't do not push and preach your beliefs here.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No, I want you to prove what you claim as scientific fact, that nature was always the same! Either you can or cannot. Since you can't do not push and preach your beliefs here.

The null hypothesis doesn't require any proving.

As has been explained to you countless times already.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What are you babbling about now dad? Do you think that I could not repeat the evidence that tells us that your claims are false? Once again, your inability to understand evidence does not mean that it has not been presented. Meanwhile you have zip, nada, bupkis.

I don't really bother with the dad of lies. A loop has more variability. Besides, his deceit is built right in. He is claiming that physical conditions could have been different in the past than they are today, but has never provided evidence or reason to make the claim. Just keeps repeating it as if it were a truth.

I don't know what religion he follows, but in Christianity, we are admonished and prohibited from lying.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Especially when a dog has been kicked out of his usual house.

Yeah. There seems to be a drifter culture forming in cyberspace forums among the more extremist elements.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Especially when a dog has been kicked out of his usual house.

There are RW hate forums out there where they can freely voice all their false statements and prejudices at will and with a choir to back them. I guess that some just don't like the fact that their voice gets lost in all the frass on those forums. What they apparently want is attention.