whats your beef with brexit?

[TagliatelliMonster]

If we fail to leave, it will be the end of democracy in the UK.

Democracy in the UK is already broken.
Leaving the EU, will put the UK only at risk of also losing the "U" in "UK".

How long before violence erupts in ireland again?
How long before Scotland wants independence again?

That will certainly be a popcorn moment... the Scotts could use every single one of the "brexiteer" arguments to argue for their own independence and "get their sovereignity back".

Then the UK brexiteers can show how hypocritical they are.

And if Scotland regains independence, they can join the EU again.

At least that will make fine whiskey affordable again in the EU, considering we won't have to be trading by WTO rules anymore.


You may consider this to be far fetched. The sad reality is that this really IS a potential future, especially if the UK crashes out without a deal.

 

[Notanumber]

Mrs May’s fellow quislings are to receive their gongs for services rendered to the EU.

All the rest will be queuing up for theirs when they have completed their task of turning the UK into a vassal state.

The Speaker of the House used to be impartial before a quisling was appointed to the post and stuck to it like a limpet.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Why does everyone want a deal?

LOL!!!!

See here, how informed the pro-brexiteers really are.......

Ow my......

No deal would:
- create a hard border in ireland, which in turn would put stress on good friday treaty which in turn will put the island at risk of another civil war
- force the UK to trade at WTO standards. Meaning giant tarrifs on import and export. Meaning shortage of food, medication etc next to general increase in price of just about anything, including home grown products.
- put the Uk in a position of being desperate to secure trade deals with the big powers of the world. Not a negotiating position you want to be in. The UK will be pretty much forced to do as it is told. Wait till you see the demand list of the US before they'll even come over to sit down to negotiate. That is, off course, if they are even willing to negotiate a trade deal, because as congress has already stated: there will be no trade deal if there is even the slightest hint that the good friday agreement is put under stress
- ......

It's downright baffling that brexiteers even consider this a viable option. They complain about sovereignty as a EU member.... let's see how "sovereign" and "independent" they will feel when they see the demand list of potential trade partners.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No deal means UK will make bilateral agreements with Germany, France etc...delegitimizing the EU

ow boy


EU members don't make trade agreements outside of EU context.

 

[ratiocinator]

...fellow quislings...

...turning the UK into a vassal state...

...before a quisling was appointed...

Quite apart from this being kindergarten level name-calling, it is deliberately divisive language used to cover up the total lack of any sensible arguments or reason for the pseudo-religious Brexit fervour.

Still waiting for any Brexiteer to actually come up with any down-to-earth, practical way in which Brexit will change their lives for the better - or more to the point, any practical way in which the UK being in the EU has negatively affected them to the extent that it's worth all the risks and costs to be rid of it....

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Because you don’t keep showing your hand when you are playing political poker.

And you consider it a good, ethical and democratic thing to play POKER when the stakes are your countries' wellfare, wellbeing and security?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

US wants to help Britain out.

No, the US wants to help itself.

Any kind of trade deal is going to be accompagned by a list of demands.
One of which is already public: privatisation of national health so that enormous US insurance companies can flood your market and make them pay enormous monthly premiums for almost no coverage.

You seem to think the US is some kind of charity. If they don't gain anything from it, they won't be interested in any kind of deal.

So good luck with that, UK.


And don't forget... congress has already stated that there will be NO TRADE DEAL if there is even only the slightest hint that good friday treaty is under stress. Trump can say whatever he wants. If congress says no, it won't happen.

 

[Notanumber]

LOL!!!!

See here, how informed the pro-brexiteers really are.......

Ow my......

No deal would:
- create a hard border in ireland, which in turn would put stress on good friday treaty which in turn will put the island at risk of another civil war
- force the UK to trade at WTO standards. Meaning giant tarrifs on import and export. Meaning shortage of food, medication etc next to general increase in price of just about anything, including home grown products.
- put the Uk in a position of being desperate to secure trade deals with the big powers of the world. Not a negotiating position you want to be in. The UK will be pretty much forced to do as it is told. Wait till you see the demand list of the US before they'll even come over to sit down to negotiate. That is, off course, if they are even willing to negotiate a trade deal, because as congress has already stated: there will be no trade deal if there is even the slightest hint that the good friday agreement is put under stress
- ......

It's downright baffling that brexiteers even consider this a viable option. They complain about sovereignty as a EU member.... let's see how "sovereign" and "independent" they will feel when they see the demand list of potential trade partners.

We also know that many MPs who voted remain have since supported measures to leave the EU. 498 MPs voted in February 2017 in favour of triggering Article 50, which formally began the UK’s exit process from the EU.

How did different constituencies vote in the 2016 EU referendum?

Those MPs voted to Leave, deal or no-deal.

 

[Notanumber]

And you consider it a good, ethical and democratic thing to play POKER when the stakes are your countries' wellfare, wellbeing and security?

No doubt you would show them your posterior if it helped the EU to control your country.

 

[Altfish]

We also know that many MPs who voted remain have since supported measures to leave the EU. 498 MPs voted in February 2017 in favour of triggering Article 50, which formally began the UK’s exit process from the EU.

How did different constituencies vote in the 2016 EU referendum?

Those MPs voted to Leave, deal or no-deal.

When I've quoted that website at you - you've called it Fake News

My constituency voted Remain by 54-46, it is a Tory seat

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

We also know that many MPs who voted remain have since supported measures to leave the EU. 498 MPs voted in February 2017 in favour of triggering Article 50, which formally began the UK’s exit process from the EU.

How did different constituencies vote in the 2016 EU referendum?

Those MPs voted to Leave, deal or no-deal.

Well apparantly they changed their minds once they started to realise how utterly insane leaving without a deal would be. Or leaving with a deal, for that matter.

 

[Notanumber]

When I've quoted that website at you - you've called it Fake News

My constituency voted Remain by 54-46, it is a Tory seat

I am referring to MP and what they voted for. Your argument is that they did not know what they voted for.

If that is the case, we need a General Election PDQ to get some that do know what they doing.

 

[Notanumber]

Well apparantly they changed their minds once they started to realise how utterly insane leaving without a deal would be. Or leaving with a deal, for that matter.

They were listening to their spin-doctor’s more like. Anything to gain and retain power over the plebs as they see it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No doubt you would show them your posterior if it helped the EU to control your country.

I live in Belgium, not that far from EU headquarters.
I don't feel like the EU is "controlling" my country at all.

In any case, I wouldn't play poker with my countries' wellbeing, welfare and security.
I'ld be reasonable and ethical and happily negotiate a year longer to find proper solutions.

Talking about showing your posterior, wait till you crash out without a deal.

You'll be forced to show more then just your posterior to secure trade deals with the big powers of the world.

The worldwide British empire is no more, you know? You may still talk about "the commonwealth", but really nobody cares anymore.
These days, it's just this small little island right off the coast of Europe, which in many ways is still stuck in medieval monarch times, ruled by earls and barons. The UK needs those trade partners a heck of a lot more then the other way round.

At the negotiation table, you'll be in a situation where when Trump tells you to jump, you'll have to ask "how high?"

 

[Altfish]

I am referring to MP and what they voted for. Your argument is that they did not know what they voted for.

If that is the case, we need a General Election PDQ to get some that do know what they doing.

But to call a GE you need 75% of MPs to vote for it.

 

[Notanumber]

I live in Belgium

Say no more.

 

[Estro Felino]

Argh. You are not going there. "European blood"? Really?

Is the word blood an aberration? To our juridic system it is not, because being Italian depends juridically on blood rights first, the jus sanguinis.


Brazilian people who have Italian blood automatically get the Italian citizenship in Italy.

 

[Notanumber]

But to call a GE you need 75% of MPs to vote for it.

Is it not 2/3rds, but I would not trust them to vote for which subsidised bottle of vintage wine to have with their lunch.

 

[Notanumber]

We need more sensible people like Julia in the UK media.

This Left-winger typically does not like anyone to have opposing views.

In the national interest, we need a General Election immediately to let the people decide. Politicians have shown us that they are not up to the job.

Nigel coined the phrase, no-deal is better than a bad-deal and Mrs May stole it while we had quislings in the Cabinet working for the EU.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Say no more.

You're showing your true colours.