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[Subduction Zone]

Actually the implication is that Jesus is God. (Mark 10:18) "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." He didn't say no, I am not God. He didn't say yes, I am God. But if you are calling Him good, know what you are saying.

As for (Matt. 27:46), Jesus is the God/Man. Both Man and God. As the God/Man, He was always in fellowship with the Father. And when He prayed, He addressed the Father. Due to the sins being placed upon Him, the Father did forsake the Son as the sins were upon Him. This was a separation never known by the Son. Thus the Man Jesus didn't know the Father as Father at that moment. He knew Him as God. And so He cried out 'My God'. This doesn't take away from Christ's deity as God the Son. It reveals the seriousness of what had taken place.

Good-Ole-Rebel

That is an amazing stretch. The mental acrobats that some go through to defend their particular interpretations of the Bible are truly amazing. Sorry, but that is just another fail.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't really claim it to be the biggest, nor do I claim to know a person's faith, yet the fruit of one's life does reveal much. I believe Jesus can know and will exclude many who are Christians in name only..


Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14

Christianity claims to be the biggest faith.

Sounds to me like you are judging the in the name Jesus

Matthew 7:1-5

 

[InChrist]

Christianity claims to be the biggest faith.

Matthew 7:1-5

Do you mean people claim that Christianity is the biggest religion? Even if that is the case, I don't see religion equal to faith, nor religion equal to a living, personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

I was raised Catholic, so would have been considered Christian, but though I had religion... I never knew or trusted Christ.

 

[ChristineM]

Do you mean people claim that Christianity is the biggest religion? Even if that is the case, I don't see religion equal to faith, nor religion equal to a living, personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

I was raised Catholic, so would have been considered Christian, but though I had religion... I never knew or trusted Christ.

I mean that Christianity makes that claim... The whole thing, its easy to find on the internet. The claim is 2.4 billion christians.

Not that number probably consists of around 95% who you would consider to not be christian. But it is not up to you to decide.

 

[InChrist]

I mean that Christianity makes that claim... The whole thing, its easy to find on the internet. The claim is 2.4 billion christians.

Not that number probably consists of around 95% who you would consider to not be christian. But it is not up to you to decide.

I already said, it's not up to me. I think it is up to Jesus, though.

But just out of curiosity, may I ask you something?

Say there is a man who has been a pastor at a church for thirty years and he presents himself as a godly, Christian to everyone over the years. Yet, come to find out behind closed doors he has been molesting children at every opportunity, threatening them if they tell, lying to parents in the congregation who trust him...is he a Christian?

He claimed to be a Christian, does the claim, the label "Christian" make him one or do his actions say otherwise?

 

[ChristineM]

I already said, it's not up to me. I think it is up to Jesus, though.

But just out of curiosity, may I ask you something?

Say there is a man who has been a pastor at a church for thirty years and he presents himself as a godly, Christian to everyone over the years. Yet, come to find out behind closed doors he has been molesting children at every opportunity, threatening them if they tell, lying to parents in the congregation who trust him...is he a Christian?

He claimed to be a Christian, does the claim, the label "Christian" make him one or do his actions say otherwise?

Yes i know what you said. That does not detract or excuse that you are refusing billions on christians their faith because you interpret the bible differently to other christians.

Are you asking do all those christians you refuse their faith commit pedophilic acts?


Considering that the bible teaches genocide, murder, infanticide, subjugation, rape, theft, sex slavery, yes, of course he is christian, just a sick minded criminal christian, there are many of them.

 

[InChrist]

Read that verse again. He says that he is not God, There are others as well. When he asks God on the cross why he has forsaken him he is saying that he is not God. Think about it, he was asking God, clearly someone else, why he was forsaken. There are others too, but until you deal honestly with these there is no point in going on.

There is nowhere in that verse or elsewhere that Jesus says "I am not God" . As a matter of fact, even the one who came up to Jesus called Jesus "good'. So if only God is good and Jesus is good, then Jesus is God.

According to the scriptures Jesus was "God with us" Immanuel ( Matthew 1:23),
He was the Son of God and son of man and therefore fully God/fully human. Jesus went to the cross as a man, the second Adam to pay for the sins of the world. When He was on the cross He was speaking from the position of His humanity to God the Father.

Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God? | GotQuestions.org

 

[InChrist]

Thank you for sharing this inspiring verse. I can't remember reading it. Seems I'm not the only one.

So this verse tells a Christian not to sla der/insult others. To tell or imply to an Atheist that Atheism "lack of belief in God", is a less valuable (inferior) path than Christianity (which I see happen quite a lot), is an insult IMHO and is therefore going against the Bible? And should therefore not been done.

Please tell me if my interpretation and conclusion is correct

English is my second language: if below is incorrect or "belittling Atheism" (which I consider insult/slander and unkind) is okay for the Atheist (as they love to debate, which would go down considerably) then I won't debate him of course (as I hate to debate)

slander, synonym is insult

kindness,...... insult is not kind

I think you are interpreting correctly in that all people are to be treated with respect and kindness. I do believe that Christians are to share the message about Christ with others, atheists or anyone without belittling or insulting. The Bible says to speak the truth in love.

 

[InChrist]

Yes i know what you said. That does not detract or excuse that you are refusing billions on christians their faith because you interpret the bible differently to other christians.

Are you asking do all those christians you refuse their faith commit pedophilic acts?


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I am not refusing billions or saying anything about pedophiles, in particular.

My point is that a label does not necessarily mean anything if one does not live it or meet the the standards of such a label.

It is simply basic logic.

I am not a surgeon and no matter how many times I may claim to be I hope you would not let me cut you if I don't meet the qualifications of a licensed doctor.

Jesus and the Bible give the definition of a Christian and also point out that there are pretenders and wolves in sheep's clothing and we are to be aware of this reality.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[stvdv]

I think you are interpreting correctly in that all people are to be treated with respect and kindness. I do believe that Christians are to share the message about Christ with others, atheists or anyone without belittling or insulting. The Bible says to speak the truth in love.

Thank you, that is respectful; without belittling and insulting. But you need to be a real master, full of empathy, to feel when crossing the line

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This is why Christ said that by their fruit you will know them. We know from the Bible that many will claim to be of the faith, yet prove by their actions they are not.

A man may call himself a fence post, that doesn´t make him one.

That doesn't clarify your post about who the secular world calls insane. Who is that, exactly?

 

[InChrist]

Thank you, that is respectful; without belittling and insulting. But you need to be a real master, full of empathy, to feel when crossing the line

Thank you, though I don't believe I will ever be a master, but I have a perfect, loving Master Jesus, full of empathy, who is transforming me day by day.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is nowhere in that verse or elsewhere that Jesus says "I am not God" . As a matter of fact, even the one who came up to Jesus called Jesus "good'. So if only God is good and Jesus is good, then Jesus is God.

According to the scriptures Jesus was "God with us" Immanuel ( Matthew 1:23),
He was the Son of God and son of man and therefore fully God/fully human. Jesus went to the cross as a man, the second Adam to pay for the sins of the world. When He was on the cross He was speaking from the position of His humanity to God the Father.

Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God? | GotQuestions.org

There is no verse where he puts it in quotes, but there are many verses where the meaning is clear. And that is clear in context. When you find yourself doing mental acrobats to defend a belief you are almost certainly wrong. And no, the Immanuel claim is another failed claim of Christianity. We can go over that separately. If you read your link the arguments that he said that he was God are far weaker than those that claim he was not.

You should study up on the history of the Bible and the concept of the trinity. The latter is a second century concept at the earliest.

 

[stvdv]

Thank you, though I don't believe I will ever be a master, but I have a perfect, loving Master Jesus, full of empathy, who is transforming me day by day.

You might ask your Master to touch you on the shoulder when crossing the line. Wouldn't that be something?

 

[shmogie]

That doesn't clarify your post about who the secular world calls insane. Who is that, exactly?

A person who goes in to a store and murders 30 or 40 people he doesn´t know might fit the bill, ya think ?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A person who goes in to a store and murders 30 or 40 people he doesn´t know might fit the bill, ya think ?

Perhaps. But we have explanations that don't involve mythical entities. We accept that humans are humans, and that entails a lot. Great benevolence and great malevolence, no spooky demons or evil forces required.

 

[shmogie]

Yes i know what you said. That does not detract or excuse that you are refusing billions on christians their faith because you interpret the bible differently to other christians.

Are you asking do all those christians you refuse their faith commit pedophilic acts?


Considering that the bible teaches genocide, murder, infanticide, subjugation, rape, theft, sex slavery, yes, of course he is christian, just a sick minded criminal christian, there are many of them.

All in the old testament, all for a specific people, at a specific place, at a specific time.

Christians are not under the first covenant given to Israel 4,000 years ago.

You cannot grasp that the new covenant, Which applies to Christians, teaches absolutely none of those things you bring up, none of them.

You hang your hat on a non applicable set of things, eliminated 2,000 years ago, as a cudgel to beat Christians.

Either you simply don´t have the knowledge of the truth, or you are disingenuous

 

[ChristineM]

I am not refusing billions or saying anything about pedophiles, in particular.

My point is that a label does not necessarily mean anything if one does not live it or meet the the standards of such a label.

It is simply basic logic.

I am not a surgeon and no matter how many times I may claim to be I hope you would not let me cut you if I don't meet the qualifications of a licensed doctor.

Jesus and the Bible give the definition of a Christian and also point out that there are pretenders and wolves in sheep's clothing and we are to be aware of this reality.

That's all I'm saying.

You made the statement in what was sold as a global indictment, i replied as such

Those 2.4 billion people see their faith as christian. It is not your prerogative to deny them their faith because they are not the same sort of christian as you.

 

[shmogie]

Perhaps. But we have explanations that don't involve mythical entities. We accept that humans are humans, and that entails a lot. Great benevolence and great malevolence, no spooky demons or evil forces required.

You certainly are entitled to your opinion.

 

[ChristineM]

All in the old testament, all for a specific people, at a specific place, at a specific time.

Christians are not under the first covenant given to Israel 4,000 years ago.

You cannot grasp that the new covenant, Which applies to Christians, teaches absolutely none of those things you bring up, none of them.

You hang your hat on a non applicable set of things, eliminated 2,000 years ago, as a cudgel to beat Christians.

Either you simply don´t have the knowledge of the truth, or you are disingenuous

Who said christians are under the first covenant? Oh you did? I quoted a bunch of NT verses. And christianity is based on the NT so get over yourself and learn to read a posts you are responding to rather than picking total bullpoop argument