God and Evolution

[metis]

Good for you that you are continuing to think at your young age and your brain is not filled with white matter. But then I feel compelled to ask, does your church believe the Bible is the inspired word of God?

Yes.

 

[ecco]

The issue is not whether science has any capacity to recognize spirits. The inability to do so is no excuse for making stuff up about creation.

That's really funny. Creation myths, including yours, are stuff that man, over the generations, has made up long before science was able to present a view of reality. It is understandable that ancient man believed in made-up creation myths. They had few options. What's your excuse?

Your claim about what I believe regarding what mankind believed historically is false. The bible recognizes that many gods and beliefs have existed right from the times after the flood when history started. Try googling 'Babel'!

I did. Here are the first two listings:

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Babel · The compiler for next generation JavaScript

So please be specific, please show where the Bible says other gods are real.

Nevertheless, why do you specify Jesus and omit any reference to God the Father and to The Holy Ghost? Do you not believe in God the Father and The Holy Ghost?

By HIM (Jesus) was all things created the bible says.

So, your Eternal, Omni-God didn't create the universe. OK,

 

[ecco]

In Adam's day??!! Haha The actual knowledge in science today has zero to do with the origin fables associated with it.

Is that is somehow supposed to be a response to my comment?

Are you somehow unaware of the advances in the knowledge of weather? Don't you know that today we can forecast the path of a hurricane days ahead?

You need to slow down. You need to review your work before posting. The above is my comment. It should be shown in a quotes box.

? I prayed to make death and all diseases go away! Top that!?

Yeah. Heart transplants work. Hurricane forecasts work. Death and disease haven't gone away, so I will take science over your prayers anytime.

 

[ecco]

No matter what evidence I see is presented as claiming to support evolution, so far actually don't see any evidence as verifiable proof, not because it hasn't been discussed by evolutionists, but because nothing has been presented that verifies evolution. Skulls may be produced and analyzed. Femur bones as well. But nothing I've read so far shows me these are results of evolution.

As I said...

Your religious beliefs prevent you from accepting any facts about evolution. You are not alone in this regard. Most Creationists try, futilely, to argue against science. They will go on and on about how science can't prove evolution, but's it's really only a smokescreen. They have their indoctrinated beliefs and that's that.​

 

[ecco]

No matter what evidence I see is presented as claiming to support evolution, so far actually don't see any evidence as verifiable proof, not because it hasn't been discussed by evolutionists, but because nothing has been presented that verifies evolution. Skulls may be produced and analyzed. Femur bones as well. But nothing I've read so far shows me these are results of evolution.

Tens of thousands of educated professionals in fields like biology, geology, and paleontology, over 100 years of research all come to the same conclusion: Evolution is Fact. You refuse to accept that. You believe that somehow all these people are wrong.

You, and a few other uneducated posters and bloggers, read stuff that some ignorant people believed 6000 years ago and are convinced that those people are right. There is no rational reason to arrive at that conclusion. The only explanation is very strong religious indoctrination.

 

[dad]

That's really funny. Creation myths, including yours, are stuff that man, over the generations, has made up long before science was able to present a view of reality.

If God gave the record to man, then man did not make it up, so either prove that He did not, or stand severely corrected.

I did. Here are the first two listings:

1. Babbel.com - Labor Day Sale | Join Millions of Happy Users‎

Babel · The compiler for next generation JavaScript

So please be specific, please show where the Bible says other gods are real.

Well, the point was that the fact other gods exist is a matter of record, since the bible talks of sacrifices made to some, altars made to some, idols representing some etc. The bible also talks of fallen angels, so we know bad spirits exist. Any spirit represented or worshiped therefore other than Jesus in the bible is a demon. In some cases people probably were so dumb they worshiped just a carved/graven image also of course, that was a product of their imagination.

So, your Eternal, Omni-God didn't create the universe. OK,

Yes He did. Jesus was that God who came down and assumed human form.

 

[dad]

Is that is somehow supposed to be a response to my comment?



You need to slow down. You need to review your work before posting. The above is my comment. It should be shown in a quotes box.

Get a grip. No science fro today has anything to do with origins of life or man or the world or universe. The so called sciences that pretend they do are false.

Yeah. Heart transplants work. Hurricane forecasts work. Death and disease haven't gone away, so I will take science over your prayers anytime.

Death is defeated. It has no more power over those who accept the gift of God and eternal life. The physical body is just a temporary housing arrangement, we immediately move to a new abode when it dies. Thank heaven this decrepit fallen body we have cannot be propped up and kept alive by science forever!

 

[YoursTrue]

Tens of thousands of educated professionals in fields like biology, geology, and paleontology, over 100 years of research all come to the same conclusion: Evolution is Fact. You refuse to accept that. You believe that somehow all these people are wrong.

You, and a few other uneducated posters and bloggers, read stuff that some ignorant people believed 6000 years ago and are convinced that those people are right. There is no rational reason to arrive at that conclusion. The only explanation is very strong religious indoctrination.

You keep leaning on others, but rarely if ever do I see evidence of proof from supporters of the evolution theory here. Along with that, I see no proof beyond a reasonable doubt so far.

 

[YoursTrue]

Tens of thousands of educated professionals in fields like biology, geology, and paleontology, over 100 years of research all come to the same conclusion: Evolution is Fact. You refuse to accept that. You believe that somehow all these people are wrong.

You, and a few other uneducated posters and bloggers, read stuff that some ignorant people believed 6000 years ago and are convinced that those people are right. There is no rational reason to arrive at that conclusion. The only explanation is very strong religious indoctrination.

I used to believe evolution. No one but God can help a person to know Him. That may seem like a contradiction, but I found it to be true.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You keep leaning on others, but rarely if ever do I see evidence of proof from supporters of the evolution theory here. Along with that, I see no proof beyond a reasonable doubt so far.

You have been denying the evidence when it has been presented to you, and that is not a proper action to take. One cannot honestly deny the evidence. This is why I tried to go over the concept with you. When evidence is presented to you you only need to ask two questions. The first is "Is the concept testable" And we have explained multiple ways that the theory of evolution can and has been tested. The second question is does the evidence agree with the theory? If that is the case, and the evidence presented to you has agree with the theory of evolution then the answer is yes, that evidence presented to you does support the theory of evolution.

Here is a test question. Is the fossil record evidence for the theory of evolution? You need to be able to justify your answer.

 

[YoursTrue]

You have been denying the evidence when it has been presented to you, and that is not a proper action to take. One cannot honestly deny the evidence. This is why I tried to go over the concept with you. When evidence is presented to you you only need to ask two questions. The first is "Is the concept testable" And we have explained multiple ways that the theory of evolution can and has been tested. The second question is does the evidence agree with the theory? If that is the case, and the evidence presented to you has agree with the theory of evolution then the answer is yes, that evidence presented to you does support the theory of evolution.

Here is a test question. Is the fossil record evidence for the theory of evolution? You need to be able to justify your answer.

I can't answer that question until I know what fossil evidence you're talking about and how and why you and others say it fits into the theory. By the way, can you just give one point or piece of evidence of evolution that has been presented to me? Please, understand that I can't go over every post, but I do hope you don't present the phylogenetic tree as evidence. I may have asked you this before, so I'm just answering the above post right now since I don't have too much time to go over everything you may have posted lately. I'll look for your answer.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I can't answer that question until I know what fossil evidence you're talking about and how and why you and others say it fits into the theory. By the way, can you just give one point or piece of evidence of evolution that has been presented to me? Please, understand that I can't go over every post, but I do hope you don't present the phylogenetic tree as evidence. I may have asked you this before, so I'm just answering the above post right now since I don't have too much time to go over everything you may have posted lately. I'll look for your answer.

I and at least two others all mentioned the specific case of Tiktaalik.

As to the fossil record since every fossil ever found fits into the evolutionary phylogenetic tree then they clearly are evidence for evolution. I am very sure that you have not let yourself understand the evidence since the fact that various independent sources give the same phylogenetic tree was sites as extremely strong evidence for evolution as well.

 

[ecco]

If God gave the record to man, then man did not make it up, so either prove that He did not, or stand severely corrected.

How silly...

Two weeks ago, I mailed a book to your house. Either prove that I did not, or stand severely corrected.
Two minutes ago, I emailed a rebuke to your computer. Either prove that I did not, or stand severely corrected.​

Now isn't that just really silly.

 

[ecco]

Well, the point was that the fact other gods exist is a matter of record, since the bible talks of sacrifices made to some,

So you say. But you can't show where the bible acknowledges other real gods. Can you?

 

[ecco]

So, your Eternal, Omni-God didn't create the universe. OK,

Yes He did. Jesus was that God who came down and assumed human form.

Jesus wasn't created until nine months after the Holy Ghost raped a young virgin. So how could Jesus have created the universe 4000 years before he was created? Don't you ever look at things logically?

 

[dad]

So you say. But you can't show where the bible acknowledges other real gods. Can you?

Real fallen angels are real gods. Ps 106:37-37
37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, 38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan

 

[dad]

Jesus wasn't created until nine months after the Holy Ghost raped a young virgin. So how could Jesus have created the universe 4000 years before he was created? Don't you ever look at things logically?

God was here before He came down as a child.

 

[ecco]

Is that is somehow supposed to be a response to my comment?

You need to slow down. You need to review your work before posting. The above is my comment. It should be shown in a quotes box.

Get a grip. No science fro today has anything to do with origins of life or man or the world or universe. The so called sciences that pretend they do are false.

Don't you ever tire of tap dancing and ducking and dodging? I ask a question, you evade. I point out you evade and you post something entirely different. When you do respond, you just make unsupportable assertions.

All that doesn't speak very highly of your Christian upbringing. Rational Christians must be very embarrassed.

 

[dad]

How silly...

Two weeks ago, I mailed a book to your house. Either prove that I did not, or stand severely corrected.
Two minutes ago, I emailed a rebuke to your computer. Either prove that I did not, or stand severely corrected.​

Now isn't that just really silly.

Now if I have a science claim that says you did not, feel free to question the basis of it!

 

[dad]

Don't you ever tire of tap dancing and ducking and dodging? I ask a question, you evade. I point out you evade and you post something entirely different. When you do respond, you just make unsupportable assertions.

All that doesn't speak very highly of your Christian upbringing. Rational Christians must be very embarrassed.

Your question was this, if I recall...correct?

"
Are you somehow unaware of the advances in medical knowledge? Don't you know that today we can transplant hearts and kidneys?"

To which I replied this..

In Adam's day??!! Haha The actual knowledge in science today has zero to do with the origin fables associated with it.

The issue is you claiming actual science in a way that supposedly relates to the origin issues or creation. If you were not trying to do that, then you better get to it! Instead we see whining and moaning about hurt feelings and questions already dealt with.