Ho hum, another day, another mass shooting in the US.

[Curious George]

Any evidence to actually support that you want to cite?

You want to hash out each statistic? Ecery "developed nation" seceral years prior and several years after gun control measures.

Perhaps in your view. Not in the view of the Supreme Court, much less if the court wasn't currently controlled by conservatives.

No in any view.

No, the vast majority of people who commit homicide choose a gun.

I never said otherwise.

You're in a conversation with me...

Yes a conversation with you utilizing cherry picked data. Yet, when i explain that the data is cherry picked you want to say that you didn't cherry pick it. Yeah, i understand you did not cherry pick it.

 

[Left Coast]

Turkey's homicide rate in 2012. Turkey is a "developed nation."

And so one country's homicide rate from one year demonstrates...what?

 

[Curious George]

If it is the law that you must pass a background check to purchase an item, then by definition running the background check is a law enforcement purpose.

No. It is the law that a healthcare provider must share PHI with law enforcement for some law enforcement purposes. you want to extend those purposes.

 

[Left Coast]

You want to hash out each statistic? Ecery "developed nation" seceral years prior and several years after gun control measures.

Which control measures? Which countries? Which years? Any meta-analytic studies to pull all that together first trends? (Oh wait I posted one...) Actually cite some data to support what you're saying.

No in any view.

Obviously it's my view so...

Yes a conversation with you utilizing cherry picked data. Yet, when i explain that the data is cherry picked you want to say that you didn't cherry pick it. Yeah, i understand you did not cherry pick it.

If you want to cite (not just claim) more robust data, feel free to post it.

 

[Curious George]

And so one country's homicide rate from one year demonstrates...what?

You said the other countries do not have a problem with gun violence. That was a pretty big statement.

 

[Curious George]

What is the median household income in the US vs. Russia? I think it makes more sense to compare ourselves to relatively prosperous nations, no?

Why does median income matter when we are discussing just the effect of gun control policies?

 

[Left Coast]

No. It is the law that a healthcare provider must share PHI with law enforcement for some law enforcement purposes. you want to extend those purposes.

Yes. A change in law is obviously what I'm seeking. Isn't that widely known? So if your objection is that proposed law contradicts current law...congratulations? Welcome to all new law proposals?

 

[Left Coast]

You said the other countries do not have a problem with gun violence. That was a pretty big statement.

I don't understand how this explains you citing Turkey's all-cause homicide rate from 2012...

 

[Curious George]

Careful not to fall prey to the power of anecdote. Anecdotal evidence does not make good public policy.

This seems to be a sidestep.

 

[Left Coast]

Why does median income matter when we are discussing just the effect of gun control policies?

Does poverty have an effect on crime?

Generally in public policy analysis countries that are comparable in socioeconomic status are compared to each other, rather than comparing completely disparate countries.

 

[Curious George]

More claims, zero evidence to support.

Look at the data in any of the reports you have provided or researched. Look 3 years prior and three years after gun regulation. Why would I need to provide evidence for what is already in front of your eyes?

 

[Left Coast]

This seems to be a sidestep.

I don't know how. We're talking about public policy. You don't make public policy based on anecdote. You base it (or rather, should base it) on robust, large data sets analyzed statistically.

 

[Curious George]

No, it is because we need experimentation to show cause, and that is an ethical problem when dealing with real-world policy that could cost lives.

What you mean to say is that we need variables, including culture, isolated.

 

[Left Coast]

Look at the data in any of the reports you have provided or researched. Look 3 years prior and three years after gun regulation. Why would I need to provide evidence for what is already in front of your eyes?

Why in the world would you need to support your claims with evidence? Silly me.

The data I cited supports my conclusions. This is why I cited it. If you want to dig into it and actually discuss specifics, then do so.

 

[Curious George]

Again, unless you want homicidal people to have guns, a restriction preventing them has to be enacted.

I want less homicidal people.

 

[Left Coast]

What you mean to say is that we need variables, including culture, isolated.

That is part of it, which is extremely difficult to do in all real-world situations. So unless we throw out all public health and policy research from the people who dedicate their lives to it, I suggest we actually listen to what they have to say and look at what data they have found, acknowledging their limitations.

 

[Left Coast]

I want less homicidal people.

Me too, and world peace, and an end to all hunger. But in the meantime, harm reduction is the name of the game.

 

[Curious George]

You would prefer a policy that costs more lives?

No i would prefer to enact policies that save more lives and don't infringe on rights in the process.

 

[Left Coast]

No i would prefer to enact policies that save more lives and don't infringe on rights in the process.

Rights have to be balanced with public safety, which is the first point we covered. Gun control does save lives. Again, see the multiple studies I've cited.

 

[Curious George]

You would need to actually make this case, not just claim it.

Look at what you are claiming. You want individuals to submit to mental health screenings before being licensed to carry a weapon. Yeah, i don't need to prove it when you are a shining example of a person who wants what is outside government authority.